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The Usual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * TROS SPOILERS WITHIN * — Page 13

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

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sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I disagree, i think the funerals of Vader and Qui-Gon Jin would have been far stronger endings. The Ewok party and that strange carnival in TPM were never needed. And Luke is the archetypal hero who saved the galaxy, it’s distasteful to cheapen his death with moments of levity.

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

Any ideas on how you think this could be implemented?

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Like the beginning of the Force Awakens when FO toopers raid a village on Jakku. That’s literally all they’d do in my version, the First Order has a couple of ships and stormtroopers and they use them to punish locals who cooperate with the Republic.

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But how would you implement that in a fan edit using the available footage? Or are you just talking about a hypothetical version of the movie that would need to be rewritten from scratch and filmed all over again?

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Probably a bit of both, it’s a radical idea. Anyway, the First Order being the underdogs is how i felt they should have been when i first saw TFA in the cinema and i never liked Starkiller base. It was only reinforced with the poor world-building of the series.

Starkiller base would have to be a normal planet, an icy world with a FO base. In this version it also makes more sense that the New Republic views the FO not as a threat, because they don’t have a planet-sized superweapon, but are just brutalizing peasants in the Inner Rim. Otherwise the Republic navy should have bombed them into oblivion long ago.

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

4throck said:

sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I disagree, i think the funerals of Vader and Qui-Gon Jin would have been far stronger endings. The Ewok party and that strange carnival in TPM were never needed. And Luke is the archetypal hero who saved the galaxy, it’s distasteful to cheapen his death with moments of levity.

Star Wars is an inherently optimistic/upbeat/happy series (however you want to describe it). I’m not a big fan of the celebration in TPM but it is a far more fitting ending for that film as a whole than a dour funeral. For ROTJ, I really like the idea of ending with the funeral, only because it gives a bittersweet final moment for an otherwise happy ending that should tonally set up that what’s to come. With TLJ, I think you’re looking at the film wrong - his death is played as a triumphant moment, because it’s not really a death, it’s him becoming one with the Force. The moments of levity that follow not only don’t cheapen Luke’s sacrifice, they actually strengthen it. He hasn’t died in vain, the Resistance will survive and his heroic actions will spread hope and inspiration throughout the galaxy. I think being ‘respectful’ to fictional characters is a stupid concept, but TLJ actually ends with a moment of immense reverence for Luke’s character.

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Luke should have fought against Kylo Ren in person and his confrontation with the walkers should end like Dark Empire(size matters not…). He never, never should have abandoned the jedi order, that’s not Luke.

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

Luke should have fought against Kylo Ren in person and his confrontation with the walkers should end like Dark Empire(size matters not…). He never, never should have abandoned the jedi order, that’s not Luke.

I often wonder if, had the PT come first and the OT came out decades later and the scripts were all more or less the same, people would say this exact thing about Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT.

“They never would have given up and gone into hiding! That’s not Obi-Wan/Yoda!”

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To me, given the choice between a Luke who destroys walkers with the force and a Luke who faces them down without any killing, there’s no question which is the one more true to his character.

ChainsawAsh said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

Luke should have fought against Kylo Ren in person and his confrontation with the walkers should end like Dark Empire(size matters not…). He never, never should have abandoned the jedi order, that’s not Luke.

I often wonder if, had the PT come first and the OT came out decades later and the scripts were all more or less the same, people would say this exact thing about Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT.

“They never would have given up and gone into hiding! That’s not Obi-Wan/Yoda!”

I can just imagine the reactions at the end of ROTS. Oh they’re just hiding for now. They’ll be back soon. And then when they see the OT. What have they been doing for the last 20 years? Nothing at all?

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ChainsawAsh said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

Luke should have fought against Kylo Ren in person and his confrontation with the walkers should end like Dark Empire(size matters not…). He never, never should have abandoned the jedi order, that’s not Luke.

I often wonder if, had the PT come first and the OT came out decades later and the scripts were all more or less the same, people would say this exact thing about Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT.

“They never would have given up and gone into hiding! That’s not Obi-Wan/Yoda!”

Hell, I was saying that the first time I saw ROTS. It makes no sense for Obi-wan and Yoda to just give up when Obi-wan (explicitly stated as being the weaker of the two) defeated Anakin at the height of his power in a one-on-one battle. Just fight him again, or team up with Yoda and finish it, then team up and defeat the Emperor.

Luke in TLJ is handled a lot better since he was never raised in the Jedi ways and defeated the Emperor by going against the advice of his masters. It makes a lot of sense then that he would refuse to rebuild their flawed order. No, the biggest problem with Luke in the ST is not that he abandoned the Jedi, it’s that he abandoned his friends. No amount of offscreen flashback trauma should change the absolute core of his character, period.

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We could exchange this banter ad infinitum and derail the thread. Short and Sweet: I am one of those people who doesn’t like The Last Jedi, and i don’t see a way to restructure the film to make it to my liking. In fact, i don’t like any of the footage Rian Johnson put on film.

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

We could exchange this banter ad infinitum and derail the thread. Short and Sweet: I am one of those people who doesn’t like The Last Jedi, and i don’t see a way to restructure the film to make it to my liking. In fact, i don’t like any of the footage Rian Johnson put on film.

If you don’t think 1/3 of the sequel trilogy can be improved in any way, why are you in a thread dedicated to thinking up ideas to improve it in future fan edits?

I’m not trying to tell you to shut up, just saying that this isn’t the thread you seem to think it is. You might be more interested in the Script Writing & Re-Writing subforum, where I’m sure there are plenty of discussions of people coming up with alternate rewrites of the ST at a base level that can’t be achieved by fan editing. This subforum (and thread) are about what we can achieve through editing what we already have.

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I feel like the aesthetic of the First Order sort of limits how you can portray them, I think. If Sequel Trilogy had featured an Imperial Remnant that was more rebel-like, I would imagine they’re gear and equipment being pretty haphazard. I think we will see this from Remnants in the 6-7 Era, like we are with The Mandalorian, but since the stormtroopers have slick new uniforms, I feel it does limit how you can portray them to some extent. Either they are being secretly funded or they have some kind of hidden resource, like Starkiller-Starforge idea.

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Speaking of which, another attempt at the second paragraph of the TFA crawl:

While the New Republic debates
on the gravity of this new threat,
General Leia Organa mobilizes a
covert Resistance to prove to the
Senate that the First Order is
secretly preparing for war.

A little longer, 33 words, but the same count as the theatrical second paragraph.

This version of the crawl shows that the New Republic at least acknowledges the First Order, and some senators may even feel it is dangerous, but the democratic process is slowing them down from taking any action. It also shows that the Senate is unaware of the First Order’s military build up, and proving that to the Republic is the Leia’s primary goal. “Preparing for war” also foreshadows the military build-up we later see, with the new Star Destroyers, stormroopers, Starkiller Base and the mega star destroyer. It also lines up well with the deleted Leia scene where she sends Kor Sella to urge the New Republic to take action against them, and some senators thinking she is insane due to her beliefs (in this case, that the First Order is preparing for war).

I remember when I first heard about the new faction names, “First Order” and “Resistance”, I had assumed the First Order would be an Imperial remnant with territory the outskirts of the galaxy, and the “Resistance” was a rebel movement within First Order territory, like the French resistance in WWII. It would be interesting if that idea was established in the crawl, maybe with a phrase like, “within the First Order space”. But there isn’t much in the movie that supports that set up. And I guess the idea is that the are resisting First Order expansion.

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DominicCobb said:

Not even Looper?

119minutes later: It’s an Ok movie. I even liked Rian’s contribution to Breaking Bad, but with Star Wars he missed the mark… by a long shot. And now he attacks the fandom for not liking his movie.

ChainsawAsh said:

If you don’t think 1/3 of the sequel trilogy can be improved in any way, why are you in a thread dedicated to thinking up ideas to improve it in future fan edits?

The same could be said about people who think AOTC is the absolute worst and still edit the Prequels.
In my opinion, TFA was only half-bad, Palpatine’s return and Lucas involvement in Rise of the Skywalker intrigues me.

And i never understood “General” Leia Organa, when did she learn to lead troops?

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

DominicCobb said:

Not even Looper?

And now he attacks the fandom for not liking his movie.

Plainly not true.

ChainsawAsh said:

If you don’t think 1/3 of the sequel trilogy can be improved in any way, why are you in a thread dedicated to thinking up ideas to improve it in future fan edits?

The same could be said about people who think AOTC is the absolute worst and still edit the Prequels.
In my opinion, TFA was only half-bad, Palpatine’s return and Lucas involvement in Rise of the Skywalker intrigues me.

People who think AOTC is the worst but edit it anyway don’t find it “irredeemable.” There’s a difference.

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I edit Attack of the Clones because there is good in there, I’ve felt it. I can save it; I can turn it back to the good side. I have to try.

I’m a girl!!!
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Moderator Edit… - to remove bashing on TLJ in here - when there are more relevant threads in General SW Discussion to post in.

 

A quick reminder that the Star Wars Preservation and Star Wars Fan Edit sections of the site are NOT the places to bash on certain eras or aspects of the films, actors, film-makers or owners.

Critiquing a scene in the Star Wars Fan Edits section with the aim of improving it, removing it, altering it etc is perfectly fine. Statements such as ‘Disney sucks’ and ‘this film is so shit no Fan Edit can save it’ etc, is not.

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There is a TLJ specific thread if you’re looking for that.

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A quick reminder that the Star Wars Preservation and Star Wars Fan Edit sections of the site are NOT the places to bash on certain eras or aspects of the films, actors, film-makers or owners.

Critiquing a scene in the Star Wars Fan Edits section with the aim of improving it, removing it, altering it etc is perfectly fine. Statements such as ‘Disney sucks’ and ‘this film is so shit no Fan Edit can save it’ etc, is not.

 

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

And now he attacks the fandom for not liking his movie.

No. That is rubbish.

He has called out the toxic and offensive fans who have problems with sex, race and diversity etc - as well as those who hounded actors from the films on social media - the death threats & announcements of deaths etc - and rightly so.

He is also on record as acknowledging some fans’ genuine criticisms of the film - and has stated he has no problem with that.
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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snooker said:

I edit Attack of the Clones because there is good in there, I’ve felt it. I can save it; I can turn it back to the good side. I have to try.

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snooker said:

I edit Attack of the Clones because there is good in there, I’ve felt it. I can save it; I can turn it back to the good side. I have to try.

Adywan once thought as you do.

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DominicCobb said:
He hasn’t died in vain, the Resistance will survive and his heroic actions will spread hope and inspiration throughout the galaxy. I think being ‘respectful’ to fictional characters is a stupid concept, but TLJ actually ends with a moment of immense reverence for Luke’s character.

Moderator Edit… to remove bashing on TLJ in which a reminder was given not to do just this two posts above (there are more relevant threads to do that in the ‘General Star Wars Discussion’ section)…
 

A quick reminder that the Star Wars Preservation and Star Wars Fan Edit sections of the site are NOT the places to bash on certain eras or aspects of the films, actors, film-makers or owners.

There are far more relevant threads in the General Star Wars Discussion section of the site to talk about this.

Critiquing a scene in the Star Wars Fan Edits section with the aim of improving it, removing it, altering it etc is perfectly fine. Statements such as ‘Disney sucks’ and ‘this film is so shit no Fan Edit can save it’ etc, is not.