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The Usual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * TROS SPOILERS WITHIN * — Page 12

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To help differentiate the First Order and their extremism more from the Empire, what if during the opening battle of The Last Jedi, you had two TIE pilots kamikaze the Resistance bombers in order to save the dreadnaught? The first time being the crash that causes the chain reaction that destroys three bombers. The second time could be when the TIE shoots the cockpit of the last bomber, but you could cut it in a way to make it seem like it just flies into it.

For both instances you could insert an interior shot of the TIE cockpit and add some dialogue that you could pull from Battlefront 2. I think adding more dialogue to First Order soldiers/pilots in general could help demonstrate how brainwashed they are to this cause they were raised for.

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I think the kamikaze idea is a nice subtle way of showing just how fanatical they are.

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Ok so, I really dislike Star Wars Legends. Pretty much all of the media that takes place after Return of the Jedi (with the Thrawn Trilogy being the exception) is really all over the place to me.

However, I have this thing stuck in the back of my head, of like, a TV-show styled edit of the Sequel Trilogy to make it kind of, not contradict anything in the Legends continuity. It would mostly focus on Rey, the First Order would be just another Imperial remnant, maybe with only one star destroyer?

This would be in the reconstruction period after the Yuuzhan Vong war, with the New Republic having reorganized into the Galactic Alliance. Rey, a scavenger on an unnamed desert world meets a stormtrooper, and together they go on a little adventure? They find the Falcon and make their escape, before running into Han, who’s been busy helping the Alliance with supply runs or something?

Just random thoughts.

I’m a girl!!!
Champions of the Force

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You’d have to erase Chewie if it’s post-Vong War, and I have no idea how you’d handle Kylo…

a trolling bantha

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That’d be really cool, but I think it’s impossible because Chewbacca would have to still be alive. He dies in the Vong war, if I recall correctly. So you’d have to place it before the Vong war, which means you can’t kill of Han Solo or pretend Kylo Ren is Darth Caedus. And then all the characters are older than they should be.

The only possibility I see is to have recolor all of Chewbacca white, and pretend he is some new Wookie Han’s replaced. Which is frankly disheartening, but fits into the canon.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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Rey: Han Solo?? And that means you must be Chewbacca!

Han Solo: No, this is his son, Lumpy!

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Or Crunchy.

Initiating self-destruct countdown…

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Isn’t that what they called Chewbacca after that moon fell on him?

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RogueLeader said:

Rey: Han Solo?? And that means you must be Chewbacca!

Han Solo: No, this is his son, Lumpy!

Ironically enough, that might be all we need. Don’t even explain it within the episode but if anyone asks resort to that.

Each episode should last 22 minutes, because of limited footage. Before each episode should be an opening voiceover similar to Star Wars: The Clone Wars, to provide alternate background information.

Episode 1 - The Map: In the aftermath of the Abeloth Crisis, Luke Skywalker has disappeared in search of the First Jedi Temple. Despite peace with the Imperial Remnant, a small terror cell led by an old apprentice of Palpatine called the First Order believes the secrets of the temple are key to opening an ancient superweapon. Kylo Ren arrives at Jakku and captures Galactic Alliance Intelligence Agent Poe Dameron, but his droid escapes. Meanwhile, Stormtrooper Finn has a crisis of conscience and breaks Poe out, leading to a space battle. They crash, and the episode ends.

Episode 2 - The Scavenger: BB-8 is found by Rey. The episode is told mostly from Rey’s perspective with some Finn, culminating in their escape from Jakku. The episode ends with their ship caught by Han Solo, who proclaims “we’re home”.

Episode 3 - The Smuggler: Opening voiceover explains Han has gone back to his old ways, now with Chewbacca’s son. The rathtar battle occurs and they are able to escape. They then travel to Maz’s Castle, where Finn leaves the group and Anakin’s lightsaber calls to Rey. Meanwhile, Kylo Ren goes undercover onboard Starkiller Base.

Episode 4 - The Lightsaber: Kylo speaks with Snoke, who reveals in order to complete his training he must kill his father - Luke Skywalker. Kylo Ren = Ben Skywalker, grandson of Darth Vader. On Takodona Rey learns she is destined to be a Jedi when the First Order attacks and Kylo captures Rey. Poe makes a triumphant return and Han and Leia reunite.

Episode 5 - The Superweapon: We learn from the opening voiceover than in order to activate the ancient Sith superweapon, the First Order must find and kill the only one who knows the First Jedi Temple’s secrets, Luke. Han and Finn stage a daring break-in and save Rey. Han the cool uncle tries to save his nephew but is killed. Finn takes a big injury, but they manage to escape thanks to Rey accepting her fate. Ends with her traveling to Ach-To.

At this point Rey would be training with Luke. This would intentionally not be shown. We do see the Rey / Kylo force talks but from Kylo’s perspective.

Episode 6 - The Dreadnought: With Leia’s group having discovered the existence of Starkiller, the First Order moves to the offensive to prevent Leia from contacting the rest of the galaxy. Poe has a deadly plan, but it proves for nothing when the First Order tracks them through hyperspace. Leia is injured in the ensuing attack.

Episode 7 - The Plan: Holdo comes into control of the Resistance and Finn makes up. Poe and Finn create a deadly plan that involves disabling the Supremacy’s hyperspace tracker from the inside, but it all proves for naught when Finn and Rose are captured and Poe’s mutiny is ended by Leia.

Episode 8 - The Supreme Leader: Rey arrives on the Supremacy. Ben kills Snoke, but cannot turn Rey to the dark side. Holdo does the lightspeed ram and everyone retreats to Crait, for the finale.

Episode 9 - The Jedi Master: The Battle of Crait. Everyone has given up hope when suddenly Luke returns. He defends everyone as they escape and then reveals himself to be a force projection. On Ach-To Luke pushes himself like never before and is able to destroy Starkiller Base with his mind, before he becomes one with the force.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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Not particularly radical, but these three threads are pretty much used for all edit ideas at this point, aren’t they?

I quite like the broom boy scene but I think it makes TLJ feel too much like a definitive ending. Combined with the fact TLJ follows on so soon from TFA, I think this contributed to the feeling of not caring about IX which a lot of people felt immediately after seeing TLJ. I also felt like Luke’s death was brushed over too quickly - Leia and Rey seem kind of sad about it, but I think the death scene stands alone far better than it does as part of that ending sequence. My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end, replacing the broom boy scene. What do you think?

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snooker said:

Ok so, I really dislike Star Wars Legends. Pretty much all of the media that takes place after Return of the Jedi (with the Thrawn Trilogy being the exception) is really all over the place to me.

However, I have this thing stuck in the back of my head, of like, a TV-show styled edit of the Sequel Trilogy to make it kind of, not contradict anything in the Legends continuity. It would mostly focus on Rey, the First Order would be just another Imperial remnant, maybe with only one star destroyer?

This would be in the reconstruction period after the Yuuzhan Vong war, with the New Republic having reorganized into the Galactic Alliance. Rey, a scavenger on an unnamed desert world meets a stormtrooper, and together they go on a little adventure? They find the Falcon and make their escape, before running into Han, who’s been busy helping the Alliance with supply runs or something?

Just random thoughts.

Now there’s a radical idea! I’m a fan of this although sounds extremely difficult.

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POTENTIAL JEDI: FALLEN ORDER SPOILERS

Some datamined files from Jedi: Fallen Order over on r/StarWarsLeaks seems to show an image that all but confirms that the Jedi world of Ilum is Starkiller Base. This image appears to be Ilum around the height of the Empire.

Maybe this could be shown on one of the blank view screens in the Emperor’s throne room in ROTJ?

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Nice! That’d be great on a viewscreen, if it’s established in the canon that the development of that planet was happening in that timeframe. A nice additional touch might be to have it wink out as if that monitor’s been turned off (like then you hide a personal tab when your boss walks by).

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sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

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RogueLeader said:

POTENTIAL JEDI: FALLEN ORDER SPOILERS

Some datamined files from Jedi: Fallen Order over on r/StarWarsLeaks seems to show an image that all but confirms that the Jedi world of Ilum is Starkiller Base. This image appears to be Ilum around the height of the Empire.

Maybe this could be shown on one of the blank view screens in the Emperor’s throne room in ROTJ?

This is a really cool idea (regardless of whether that’s legit info from Fallen Order or not).

Another idea I really like is the proposed shot of Star Destroyers lightspeeding away from the Battle of Endor, although I wonder where one would intend to put such a shot in the sequence.

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I picture the Star Destroyer shot being after the Death Star explosion, but before it cuts back to Han and Leia on Endor. That might be challenging to fit it within the musical cue of that sequence.

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4throck said:

sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I see where you’re coming from (though personally I like TPM to end on that closeup of Palpatine at the funeral…). To some extent, you do see what Luke’s sacrifice achieves - the Resistance gets away and Kylo feels the futility of his attempts to lash out. You just don’t realise that the effort has killed him until afterwards. I’m not 100% sold on it either, but I’m just looking for a way for Luke’s death scene to feel less like it’s rushed over in that reasonably fast paced ending sequence.

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RogueLeader said:

I picture the Star Destroyer shot being after the Death Star explosion, but before it cuts back to Han and Leia on Endor. That might be challenging to fit it within the musical cue of that sequence.

You would have to play with the sound effects and music, but I think if you slightly trimmed the explosion shot, and maybe cut out the first Ewok reaction shot (and let the first reaction shot be the shot of R2), you could make enough space within the confines of the score where you could fit in the shot of the Imperial armada retreat.

I know this is the Sequel Redux thread, but might as well have this conversation here.

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That could work too. You might be right Outbound, but I think it would at least be worth trying to implement to even see if it holds up or not.
That’s a good idea snooker!

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OutboundFlight said:

I’ve never been a fan of the star destroyers escaping shot. The sudden switch in tone between shots would come off bad in editing.

Depends where you put it I think.

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The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

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sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I disagree, i think the funerals of Vader and Qui-Gon Jin would have been far stronger endings. The Ewok party and that strange carnival in TPM were never needed. And Luke is the archetypal hero who saved the galaxy, it’s distasteful to cheapen his death with moments of levity.