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TK42-WAN said:

I’ve read numerous posts in regards to removing Boba Fett from Jabba’s Palace during Jedi. While I understand the reasoning for this, I think it would be more interesting if he was their waiting for Luke to attempt a rescue Han.

After Luke arrives, Boba Fett can inform Vader that Luke is at Jabba’s Palace. I would probably place this after Luke has killed the Rancor, but before him and Han are reunited:

INT. DEATHSTAR. VADERS CHAMBERS

VADER sits in his mediation chamber. BOBA FETT appears on the view screen.

VADER:
What is it, bounty hunter.

FETT:
Skywalker is here.

VADER:
See to it that he remains there.

Vader leaves the Death Star aboard his shuttle.

Then I would place this after the barge explosion and falcon/ x-wing leaving Tatooine:

Vader can then arrive and enter through the main gates of the palace (mirroring Lukes entrance), however he snaps the necks of the guards using the force, and finds the palace practically empty. This would be after the barge explodes and skiff zooms away…

To me ROTJ has always felt a like a film of two somewhat disconnected halves, I think this would go a long way to remedying that.

I think this is a pretty brilliant idea! I don’t know how doable it would be without extensive filming, but if it could be accomplished, it would really please me in connecting those two halves and explaining Boba Fett’s presence as more than just a fan service. Question is…


“Can it be done?”

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I think that Vader going all the way to Tattooine only to find an empty palace would make him seem even weaker than he does in ROTJ.

Really, there only needs to be one scene:
Fett: "Skywalker is here. I can deliver him, but it may be in pieces."
Vader: "I want him alive, bounty hunter."
Fett: “As you wish.”

Then Fett’s actions during the sail barge scene would make more sense. He originally tries to hold him at gunpoint, and when that fails he tries to wrap him in cords, then when that still doesn’t work and realizing that Luke is too powerful for him to handle he goes for the kill.

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I am really liking this idea guys. For sure this will give further justification to the audience for why Fett is still hanging around at the palace. I just always imagined that even bounty hunters need down time, but this is much, much better. And breaking up the settings more during the first act is a very good thing too. Great idea TK42-WAN!

I am thinking (and really hoping) there will be a need for stand-in actors for both Vader and Fett anyway, for fixing/improving certain other parts of the film (these characters need work… and Han too while I’m bringing it up), so if we got them for those parts, a new and worthwhile scene like this can be feasible.

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ray_afraid said:

Bingowings said:

Having Luke do it (force choke) does foreshadow his darkside potential as does Leia choking Jabba but it’s just seems too dark for a Jedi move.

Seems too dark for a Jedi move because it’s foreshadowing his potential fall to the dark side.
Didn’t you just say that? 😉

Yeah but how does he learn to do it? Is it an instinctive thing? Because it hardly feels like something Yoda would teach him.

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Valheru_84 said:

FVDnz said:

With speculation that Hayden Christiansen may return in The Last Jedi to reprise Force Ghost Anakin, will he remain at the end of ROTJR?! I know Adywan intends on reinserting Sebastian Shaw and all, but at the end of the day, he’s still not regarding the Sequel Trilogy is he? Maybe recreate a more decent looking Force Ghost version of Hayden compared to what we got recently possibly…

Keep Shaw in the OT and edit him into the ST if needed and possible or just cut out Hayden if that’s the case. The less Hayden in SW the better! I kid you not, I hated his performance far more than Jake Loyd’s as Anakin. And there was nothing wrong with leaving Shaw in in the first place since Anakin / Darth Vader is old when he dies anyway! Freaking GL meddling with things that ain’t broke!

.Val

By that logic, Anakin’s ghost should be a hairless quadruple amputee like in the HISHE.

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^By that logic, Force ghost Obi-wan should have been played by Ewan McGregor and Yoda portrayed by Creepy Puppet Yoda from Episode I.

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Bingowings said:

ray_afraid said:

Bingowings said:

Having Luke do it (force choke) does foreshadow his darkside potential as does Leia choking Jabba but it’s just seems too dark for a Jedi move.

Seems too dark for a Jedi move because it’s foreshadowing his potential fall to the dark side.
Didn’t you just say that? 😉

Yeah but how does he learn to do it? Is it an instinctive thing? Because it hardly feels like something Yoda would teach him.

If he can grip his saber and pull it outta the snow…
If he can lift rocks n R2…
I think he could figure out other things to do with that ability.

JEDIT oh damn that’s naughty!

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NeverarGreat said:

I think that Vader going all the way to Tattooine only to find an empty palace would make him seem even weaker than he does in ROTJ.

Really, there only needs to be one scene:
Fett: "Skywalker is here. I can deliver him, but it may be in pieces."
Vader: "I want him alive, bounty hunter."
Fett: “As you wish.”

Then Fett’s actions during the sail barge scene would make more sense. He originally tries to hold him at gunpoint, and when that fails he tries to wrap him in cords, then when that still doesn’t work and realizing that Luke is too powerful for him to handle he goes for the kill.

I see where you are coming from, however I think it shows Lukes strength, not Vaders weakness. I also think it’s fitting given the prequels that Vader returns to Tatooine before he dies… As it is currently Vader spends almost the entire film waiting on Death Stars and Star Destroyers. I think if he leaves the Death Star it reinforces the idea that he want to use Luke to betray the Emperor, something that isn’t really followed up on from Empire…

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Another suggestion for ROTJ:R would be to have Jabbas Palace over looking a mine, something along the lines of Fury Road. This way when Luke and co. kill Jabba, it is intact Luke who Anakin was dreaming about as child who came back and freed all the slaves. (If Adywan intends to retain the Anakin slave origin, though I suspect he won’t). Either way, I really like the idea of the visual.

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While it would be cool to see Vader on Tatooine again, it’s ultimately a dead-end for him in terms of the plot. We know Vader is still interested in finding Luke, and a single scene with Boba Fett could communicate this. Also, the Emperor suggests that he has suspended his search for Luke temporarily when he says ‘And now I sense you wish to continue your search for young Skywalker.’

I like the slave mine idea. It would also be good to see increased security leading into Jabba’s palace, like some automatic turrets on either side of the big door and perhaps some more security in the entrance hall. Make it seem like this is really a well-defended fortress.

Now, there’s the perennial issue of Luke’s plan to save Han. Having thought about it, there’s clearly no master plan, merely a loose strategy. First Lando is sent undercover to get information about Jabba. Then the droids are sent as a peace offering to make a deal. When they fail, Leia is sent in with Chewie to break Han out, and when that fails Luke goes in alone. When taken as parts of a master plan, it makes no sense, but it does make sense if Luke were trying to learn from his mistakes in Empire. He’s now relying on his friends to help, trusting that they can take care of themselves in a dangerous situation. He’s also trusting the Force to guide his actions, rather than using its power in a singleminded attempt to overwhelm the opposition. It’s a mature, if rather chaotic, approach which suggests that merely by involving all his friends he is setting up a future victory, even if he cannot foresee such a victory. Communicating this would be tricky, and about the only avenue would be the crawl. Something like this:

Luke Skywalker has returned
to his home planet of Tatooine
in an attempt to rescue his
friend Han Solo from the
clutches of the vile gangster
Jabba the Hutt.

As he grows in wisdom, Luke
turns to the strength of his
friends and the Force to win
the day, even as his enemies
plot to destroy the Rebellion.

For little does Luke know that
the GALACTIC EMPIRE is secretly
constructing a new armored
space station even more
powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star…

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I think that the whole Tatooine sequence could be re-edited to seem a little less… convoluted?

My ideal sequence would be:

R2 goes to palace ALONE (3po provides only fan service, because he’s gone use more subtitles)
R2 delivers message Reveal of carbonite.
Jabba decides to execute Han to spite Luke, unthaw him.
Cell scene with reveal of Chewie.
Luke arrives, threatens Jabba, fights rancor, gets captured.
Sarlacc pit sequence minus Leia
Luke uses the force to fire the gun at the deck of the skiff?
Luke escapes with Han, Lando, Chewie, and R2
Luke hears Leia over the ship radio
Luke heads to dagobah while Han and Lando settle their differences and head back to the fleet.

This would would be better in a few ways:
Instead of sending in 4 waves, there are only 3
The plan is more coherent
Lando and Chewie went in at around the same time (Like Lando mentioned in Empire)
The reveal of Chewie is actually a surprise for the audience

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snooker said:

I think that the whole Tatooine sequence could be re-edited to seem a little less… convoluted?

My ideal sequence would be:

R2 goes to palace ALONE (3po provides only fan service, because he’s gone use more subtitles)

I disagree. 3PO is a translator and is doing his job in Jabba’s palace. It’s Endor where he’s only there because he’s part of the cast.

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Yeah that convoluted plan to rescue Han definitely needs to be improved, no question about it. I don’t believe it can be edited to make perfect sense since it is limited by the existing footage, but with the right inserts and the removal of a certain scene, it can definitely be made to make better sense.

Where to begin, though. For this all to come together, I guess I need to first address other things as well. It won’t be short so buckle in… 😃

First, I’ll bring up Luke’s further knowledge in the Force… Where does he get it? Could some of it been instinctual and built from the foundation of Ben’s and Yoda’s prior teachings and further practiced before the events of ROTJ? Absolutely, I believe a lot of it was. However, I’m doubtful all of it was learned by himself - Luke clearly gained much wisdom and certain new abilities, especially when it comes to constructing a lightsaber, so he had to have been instructed in some way.

I’ve read in the past about people wanting it to be edited so Luke has been training with Yoda again, from the end of ESB up to the beginning of ROTJ. I think this does make perfect sense from a logical perspective, but, the dialogue that is said during this scene keeps it from working nicely, for me anyway. Let me explain why: It would be extremely odd of Luke to be training with Yoda for even a short while and waits until Yoda’s death bed to finally ask that most compelling question - the question that has been echoing in his mind continuously ever since Vader’s revelation. There is no doubt in my mind Luke would ask Yoda this question ASAP. Sure, it’s kind of odd he doesn’t immediately go to Yoda for more training, but it’d be even more odd if he did go there and didn’t ask about Vader right away. So because of this situation, it just wouldn’t work moving this to the beginning of ROTJ - it needs to remain in its original place. I admit, even that deleted scene of Luke finishing his lightsaber is rather cool, but it needs to remain as just a deleted scene.

Okay, now with all of that out of the way, again, where else could he have obtained the knowledge he has? Certainly wasn’t from Ben’s Force ghost either because it’s clear he hadn’t seen Ben again since he left Dagobah in ESB.

So the only truly logical way would therefore be at Ben’s home on Tatooine (which coincidentally is also the planet where Han is captured). It can be assumed that Ben’s home wasn’t ransacked in the years of its vacancy, and since it’s way out of the way and isolated, it’s certainly possible. Or if it was, what Luke needed so happened to still be there. Either way, since Luke has to go to Tatooine anyway, I really believe he would stop by Ben’s hut for anything that may prove useful in rescuing Han. Maybe even to seek some hidden truth about his father. He then comes across some written journals by Ben which were possibly even written directly to Luke for when he is ready and old enough to understand. Ben, knowing Luke, probably knew he would come back after a time he was gone. That’s my headcanon anyway, and I really hope it makes sense enough to also have that be the Revisited canon as well.

We do not have to see any of this stuff with him flipping through the journals and all, so this could simply be mentioned briefly in new dialogue between 3PO and R2 when they are traveling to Jabba’s palace (there isn’t room in the opening crawl for this exposition, and the crawl needs to be adjusted/improved to include other important matters that could not be mentioned anywhere else anyway).

And now about the new dialogue between 3PO and R2, a short but much-needed exposition to the current situation which couldn’t be stated elsewhere. And if I remember right, Ady does already have somebody lined up with an authentic costume and sounds very much like 3PO, so in cases such as this, it would be extremely helpful if he were still willing and available.
The conversation is as follows:
The original shot with 3PO and R2 as the latter makes his original first “Beeps”.
In the same shot 3PO says, “Of course I’m worried, and you should be too. Poor Chewbacca is held captive in that awful place and we haven’t heard back since from either Princess Leia or Lando Calrissian.”
Then a new close-up view on just R2 as he makes “long beeps”.
Then a new close-up side view on just 3PO as he is responding, “Well, that’s why Master Luke sent us. He did say he must first complete those important journals from Obi-Wan Kenobi, you know. But by then we could be disintegrated, or worse.”
Then the original view behind 3PO and R2 where the latter makes “short beeps”.
Then it continues as normal with 3PO’s reply, “Don’t be so sure. If I told you half the things I’ve heard about this Jabba the Hutt, you’d probably short-circuit.”
Then R2’s original “Worried beeps”

So with this new dialogue, it is now known that Luke was spending time at old Ben’s home reading journals to create a new lightsaber (which he did and already put in R2) and learning much about the Force that may be useful for this predicament and his own future (which he is currently practicing/perfecting).

Also note in the new dialogue that Chewie is already captured, which leads to the next change: There should no longer be that awful part of the plan from the original with Leia handing Chewie to Jabba, signed and delivered. Chewie should be mentioned as already captured, but it’s not important to know how. But, for anyone curious anyhow, while Leia and Lando were inside the palace doing reconnaissance, he was likely waiting outside with the Falcon and was discovered by some passing guards (it wouldn’t have made sense to send Chewie in as Jabba would surely recognize him). Again, it doesn’t matter how, just so long as that scene of Leia bringing in Chewie is removed entirely, as nostalgic as it may be for some. So the first time we see Chewie is actually when Han is tossed in the jail cell with him, which I believe works very well.

Then, during the scene with the hologram of Luke, it would be good to establish that Leia (in disguise as Boushh) is indeed in there, just as we will see Lando is also (so at first, before we see her sneaking around, she’ll appear as though she’s another of Jabba’s goons, just as it was originally intended to be). There could be a short shot of her listening to Luke’s message, in place of a removed shot of Salacious Crumb after Jabba was laughing to Luke’s “…to bargain for Solo’s life.” I’m betting most people would be okay with seeing less of Crumb 😉

So with all of this, we have: A rescue plan that makes much more sense (a reconnaissance team first and Luke comes in later for the actual rescuing), instead of sending wave after wave of friends into Jabba’s palace with no apparent plan; Both Lando and Leia should already be inside learning the layout of the palace and it’s inferred that, as much as possible, they were reporting back to Luke of their findings and what’s happening; Chewie still gets captured but this time it’s assumed it’s while he was out with the Falcon or something, instead of just being handed over; Leia will still attempt to rescue Han on her own because of her growing impatience and worry that others will get captured soon before Luke can arrive (since she is now out of contact with Luke); And, we are now given a solid, logical reason why Luke wasn’t there in the rescue from the beginning (it’s when things started heading south [Chewie’s capture] that he decides to send the droids, to buy himself time and finish whatever crucial thing(s) he is learning about).

And lastly, it should be edited so, instead of Force choking, Luke uses the Force to make the two Gamorrean guards hunker down and fall asleep (and they begin to snore, just to be clear what’s happening). I can understand if some people do like that he is using the Force choke, because it foreshadows what he may become later, but, when you really think about it, Luke shouldn’t resort to killing/harming anyone yet if he wants that small chance at rescuing his friends without trouble; very foolish to do so before any negotiations, even if he might think Jabba won’t agree. As for the Sarlacc pit, there it makes sense to start killing (which forshadows a potential dark side just as well).

Well… that’s my wordy explanation and take on how the rescue plan can be edited for the better 😃 Any thoughts? Can this idea be improved even further? I’ve been thinking about it for a while and sure can’t think of anything else. It’s probable I’ll bring it up again when the official ROTJ:R thread is available 😉

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Here’s an idea I’ve been toying with for my short film edit which I feel may more appropriately belong here.

What if, instead of the dreadful frankenvader scene from III, we repurposed footage from Rogue One to signify the introduction of the suit? Krennic may be out of place, but the viewer would just quickly assume that he’s some imperial lackey overseeing the reconstruction of Anakin.

I was also thinking a sharp editor could replace the hooded figure from the beginning of the Vader scene with The Emperor. Technically speaking if you rotoscoped Palpatine’s face into the hood, and then drenched the scene in contrast and dark to cover up any remnants of altercation, you could probably get away with it.

My edit is dialogue free at this point, however, so a standard feature length edit may have some difficulty implementing this idea.

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Luke going back to Ben’s Hut to find journals Ben left for him is actually part of the “Disney canon” through the Marvel Star Wars comics, only it happens between ANH and ESB.

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Octorox said:

Luke going back to Ben’s Hut to find journals Ben left for him is actually part of the “Disney canon” through the Marvel Star Wars comics, only it happens between ANH and ESB.

Luke building his lightsaber in Ben’s Hut was canon in the ROTJ novelization, don’t know if it still holds true.

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Octorox said:

Luke going back to Ben’s Hut to find journals Ben left for him is actually part of the “Disney canon” through the Marvel Star Wars comics, only it happens between ANH and ESB.

Yep, that’s true, I remember reading that also. Actually when that issue came out, I was really excited reading that they also thought of an idea regarding Luke finding some journals at Ben’s hut (it does make sense after all), only it’s too bad they chose to have Luke return at that time period and they couldn’t resist having an encounter with Boba, instead of it being set after ESB and without a scuffle with Fett where I feel that plot point would’ve benefited most leading up to ROTJ.

It’s a good thing then that Ady isn’t necessarily taking into account for what happens in the EU while improving the films 😉

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.Mac. said:

It’s a good thing then that Ady isn’t necessarily taking into account for what happens in the EU while improving the films 😉

For an infinitude of reasons.

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It wouldn’t take much to get someone with a movie accurate Vader costume, Palpatine could be inserted into the scene. The problem would be finding a suitable and awesome background in which to shoot the scene and insert it into Revenge of the Sith. I know it would cost some money to do it, but it would be better than what we got.

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Suggestions for Return of the Jedi (part 1)

I read back some pages to see what people suggest, and I think some are way beyond what a good fan edit should be. Some people even want to change the whole movie, but that would not be Return of the Jedi.
So here is what not to do:
Some people already jumping to full scale war in the galaxy, what should have been Star Wars VII.
This movie is not about restoring the Republic. It is about the fall of the Sith and the return of the Jedi, who were all but extinct.
And it is about the Skywalker family, and redemption, and not about the grand scheme of galactic politics and etc…
That was Prequel Trilogy, that explained everything, what we needed to know.
So no full scale war.

Some people think, that the Rebellion grew so much in 6 month, after ESB, that they can take on Coruscant. For gods sake, they tried to take on an unfinished, not yet operational, and a seemingly barely protected Death Star, yet they needed everything they had to do that! So no, they would not consciously take on Coruscant.
People can counter, that they have won. Yeah, but the reason is not that they had a reasonable chance, what happend rather was some unexpected “… adjustments of multiple factors to incline events in one’s favor”.
No battle of Coruscant.

And no two Death Stars please. The first one was completed in like 20 years, now they build 1 and a half in 3 and half years? No way.

Leave the story as it is, and make only subtle changes, that improves the movie, this movie mind you, instead of rewriting it completely. Just as Ady did with ANH and ESB revisited.

Now, about the 6 month gap between ESB and ROTJ. Some people made very valid points about things like:

  1. what the Emperor says to Vader about resuming his search for his son
  2. the plan of Han’s resue is very clumsy
  3. Luke returning to Dagobah only after 6 month

Yes, these feel wrong.
So I was thinking, and now I think, because I know it for a fact, there is no time mentioned in the movie, so this 6 month comes from some place else.
Maybe it was a mistake, and it was 6 weeks, and someone just typed it wrong. It doesn’t matter if it’s Disney canon (crap for business purpose) or not. It is a mistake.
I suggest let’s just accept, that it was only 6 weeks between the 2 movies.
That would fix the unreasonable behaviour of Luke not going back to Yoda for a very long time, and that Vader suspends the most important thing on his mind for 6 months instead of a lot more reasonable 6 weeks. And the 6 weeks theory works for this clumsy rescue plan too.
So there’s no need to rewrite anything, except only one word: "month"
Which is not even in the movie.

(Part 2, my suggestions of changes for Return of the Jedi coming soon)

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.Mac. said:

Yeah that convoluted plan to rescue Han definitely needs to be improved, no question about it. I don’t believe it can be edited to make perfect sense since it is limited by the existing footage, but with the right inserts and the removal of a certain scene, it can definitely be made to make better sense.

Where to begin, though. For this all to come together, I guess I need to first address other things as well. It won’t be short so buckle in… 😃

First, I’ll bring up Luke’s further knowledge in the Force… Where does he get it? Could some of it been instinctual and built from the foundation of Ben’s and Yoda’s prior teachings and further practiced before the events of ROTJ? Absolutely, I believe a lot of it was. However, I’m doubtful all of it was learned by himself - Luke clearly gained much wisdom and certain new abilities, especially when it comes to constructing a lightsaber, so he had to have been instructed in some way.

I’ve read in the past about people wanting it to be edited so Luke has been training with Yoda again, from the end of ESB up to the beginning of ROTJ. I think this does make perfect sense from a logical perspective, but, the dialogue that is said during this scene keeps it from working nicely, for me anyway. Let me explain why: It would be extremely odd of Luke to be training with Yoda for even a short while and waits until Yoda’s death bed to finally ask that most compelling question - the question that has been echoing in his mind continuously ever since Vader’s revelation. There is no doubt in my mind Luke would ask Yoda this question ASAP. Sure, it’s kind of odd he doesn’t immediately go to Yoda for more training, but it’d be even more odd if he did go there and didn’t ask about Vader right away. So because of this situation, it just wouldn’t work moving this to the beginning of ROTJ - it needs to remain in its original place. I admit, even that deleted scene of Luke finishing his lightsaber is rather cool, but it needs to remain as just a deleted scene.

Okay, now with all of that out of the way, again, where else could he have obtained the knowledge he has? Certainly wasn’t from Ben’s Force ghost either because it’s clear he hadn’t seen Ben again since he left Dagobah in ESB.

So the only truly logical way would therefore be at Ben’s home on Tatooine (which coincidentally is also the planet where Han is captured). It can be assumed that Ben’s home wasn’t ransacked in the years of its vacancy, and since it’s way out of the way and isolated, it’s certainly possible. Or if it was, what Luke needed so happened to still be there. Either way, since Luke has to go to Tatooine anyway, I really believe he would stop by Ben’s hut for anything that may prove useful in rescuing Han. Maybe even to seek some hidden truth about his father. He then comes across some written journals by Ben which were possibly even written directly to Luke for when he is ready and old enough to understand. Ben, knowing Luke, probably knew he would come back after a time he was gone. That’s my headcanon anyway, and I really hope it makes sense enough to also have that be the Revisited canon as well.

We do not have to see any of this stuff with him flipping through the journals and all, so this could simply be mentioned briefly in new dialogue between 3PO and R2 when they are traveling to Jabba’s palace (there isn’t room in the opening crawl for this exposition, and the crawl needs to be adjusted/improved to include other important matters that could not be mentioned anywhere else anyway).

And now about the new dialogue between 3PO and R2, a short but much-needed exposition to the current situation which couldn’t be stated elsewhere. And if I remember right, Ady does already have somebody lined up with an authentic costume and sounds very much like 3PO, so in cases such as this, it would be extremely helpful if he were still willing and available.
The conversation is as follows:
The original shot with 3PO and R2 as the latter makes his original first “Beeps”.
In the same shot 3PO says, “Of course I’m worried, and you should be too. Poor Chewbacca is held captive in that awful place and we haven’t heard back since from either Princess Leia or Lando Calrissian.”
Then a new close-up view on just R2 as he makes “long beeps”.
Then a new close-up side view on just 3PO as he is responding, “Well, that’s why Master Luke sent us. He did say he must first complete those important journals from Obi-Wan Kenobi, you know. But by then we could be disintegrated, or worse.”
Then the original view behind 3PO and R2 where the latter makes “short beeps”.
Then it continues as normal with 3PO’s reply, “Don’t be so sure. If I told you half the things I’ve heard about this Jabba the Hutt, you’d probably short-circuit.”
Then R2’s original “Worried beeps”

So with this new dialogue, it is now known that Luke was spending time at old Ben’s home reading journals to create a new lightsaber (which he did and already put in R2) and learning much about the Force that may be useful for this predicament and his own future (which he is currently practicing/perfecting).

Also note in the new dialogue that Chewie is already captured, which leads to the next change: There should no longer be that awful part of the plan from the original with Leia handing Chewie to Jabba, signed and delivered. Chewie should be mentioned as already captured, but it’s not important to know how. But, for anyone curious anyhow, while Leia and Lando were inside the palace doing reconnaissance, he was likely waiting outside with the Falcon and was discovered by some passing guards (it wouldn’t have made sense to send Chewie in as Jabba would surely recognize him). Again, it doesn’t matter how, just so long as that scene of Leia bringing in Chewie is removed entirely, as nostalgic as it may be for some. So the first time we see Chewie is actually when Han is tossed in the jail cell with him, which I believe works very well.

Then, during the scene with the hologram of Luke, it would be good to establish that Leia (in disguise as Boushh) is indeed in there, just as we will see Lando is also (so at first, before we see her sneaking around, she’ll appear as though she’s another of Jabba’s goons, just as it was originally intended to be). There could be a short shot of her listening to Luke’s message, in place of a removed shot of Salacious Crumb after Jabba was laughing to Luke’s “…to bargain for Solo’s life.” I’m betting most people would be okay with seeing less of Crumb 😉

So with all of this, we have: A rescue plan that makes much more sense (a reconnaissance team first and Luke comes in later for the actual rescuing), instead of sending wave after wave of friends into Jabba’s palace with no apparent plan; Both Lando and Leia should already be inside learning the layout of the palace and it’s inferred that, as much as possible, they were reporting back to Luke of their findings and what’s happening; Chewie still gets captured but this time it’s assumed it’s while he was out with the Falcon or something, instead of just being handed over; Leia will still attempt to rescue Han on her own because of her growing impatience and worry that others will get captured soon before Luke can arrive (since she is now out of contact with Luke); And, we are now given a solid, logical reason why Luke wasn’t there in the rescue from the beginning (it’s when things started heading south [Chewie’s capture] that he decides to send the droids, to buy himself time and finish whatever crucial thing(s) he is learning about).

And lastly, it should be edited so, instead of Force choking, Luke uses the Force to make the two Gamorrean guards hunker down and fall asleep (and they begin to snore, just to be clear what’s happening). I can understand if some people do like that he is using the Force choke, because it foreshadows what he may become later, but, when you really think about it, Luke shouldn’t resort to killing/harming anyone yet if he wants that small chance at rescuing his friends without trouble; very foolish to do so before any negotiations, even if he might think Jabba won’t agree. As for the Sarlacc pit, there it makes sense to start killing (which forshadows a potential dark side just as well).

Well… that’s my wordy explanation and take on how the rescue plan can be edited for the better 😃 Any thoughts? Can this idea be improved even further? I’ve been thinking about it for a while and sure can’t think of anything else. It’s probable I’ll bring it up again when the official ROTJ:R thread is available 😉

Wow, did not really think about this! It makes perfect sense and does not harm the story whatsoever. Though I would keep in the Force Choke instead of the snoring Gamorrean Guards, seems a bit to childish for me. BTW it would be possible to have Fett walk out during Luke’s confrontation with Jabba and report to Darth Vader via a Hologram.

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Making the guards fall asleep has a nice fairy tale quality to it.
In my view Vader chokes people because he can’t breath nobody else should do that.
Only Palpatine should do the lightning trick too.
I can see why people disagree but it just keeps these signature moves signature.
Leia choking Jabba and joking Lando by proxy however I do approve of so colour me a hypocrite 😄

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Though I would keep in the Force Choke instead of the snoring Gamorrean Guards, seems a bit to childish for me.

I wholeheartedly understand your concern 😃 but I’m confident it can be done in a way to not look childish. An alternative idea (or in addition to, if the snoring works also) is to edit Luke’s lips so that he now whispers “Sleep” when he applies the Force on the first guard. The whisper is, again, mainly so the audience knows exactly what is happening - he’s not harming/killing them, which is important to know. On top of the main reason I stated before about it, having this nonviolent Force ability would coincide nicely with Luke’s Force Mind Trick later on, after all, in addition to broadening the spectrum of Force abilities as this will be the first time we’d see this particular ability (I know, Qui-Gon applies it to Jar Jar, but that was in the PT and who knows if that’ll be kept in for Revisited 😉 ). And, Ady has proven again he is a genius when it comes to editing mouth movements. A human actor’s lips is a different beast compared to editing a puppet’s, I get that, but it can be done convincingly well enough, I believe, as he would hardly have to move Luke’s lips anyway (just the “p” part of “sleep”).

Just like Bingowings, I do approve of the “signature” Force abilities since it does work very well from a narrative standpoint (though, I’m sure the Emperor could pretty much do all abilities that we’ve seen, and then some, if he wanted or had reason to). And the reason the Emperor should indeed be the only person seen using the Force lightning is because, otherwise, it would greatly cheapen his impact to the audience later when Luke stands up to him; seeing the Emperor actually do something we haven’t seen before is of great benefit to his character and how we the audience perceive how powerful he is, so this is an extremely important first reveal to keep intact. If the Emperor still does have moments to use the Force at any time in the PT:R, he should never use Lightning there either (it should be something else or new, but within reason of course, so by the time we do get to ROTJ, the audience will be like, “Oh sh!t, he can do that too?!”). 😄

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