Brash_stryker said:
I'm aware he's the same species as in the cantina, however the Duros in the cantina work as background aliens for me because they're so unusual. It's way too campy a design for a prominent villain in a live action medium.
Well, because of its unusual design wouldn't it therefore be fitting to use it as a potential spotlight character in SW? Bane's already an established and compelling character of this species to boot... now you suddenly backtracked when you say "campy design" *sigh* if given the proper mask/prosthetics and some digital manipulation, how can you honestly claim something like this to be campy?
Again, let me stress, he's fine where he belongs. In a cartoon.
And let me stress again that any character can be made to belong in any medium. He's fine in the cartoon and he could be equally fine in live-action if given a chance.
As for the cowboy hat, yes I have a problem with it. Because it's taken straight from our earth cowboys.
Now if the hat were a blatant copy of what we commonly see here, like the style we always see John Wayne wearing, then I'd agree with you... but fortunately it isn't. Cad's, while it is inspired by Western culture (everything in Star Wars is inspired by some culture or another), it has its own touches of personality about it that make it its own and not straight from Earth. Plus, the fact that this different hat is worn by an unusual alien, I say it works, he pulls off the look well. He doesn't always have to wear the hat either, but perhaps most often he needs a hat like that of that size because his particular skin is extra sensitive to light? The two Duros in the cantina aren't seen with a hat because they are in the dim-lit cantina, but outside they might have some sort of hat.
So with your side of the argument, does that mean you have a problem with guns and holsters at the hips too? Those are inspired heavily from "earth cowboys" as well. How about Chewie's crossbow, inspired from the Medieval ages? I hope not.
To reiterate, there are so many things in Star Wars taken from all kinds of earthly cultures/time periods, and mixes it up to give them their own twist - the Western culture is certainly not an exception.
Subtlety is something children's shows don't need. However, movies do.
It actually really depends on what the story/director is trying to convey to the audience. Some things can be subtle, other things don't need to be.
My reasoning makes perfect sense. I think it's you that's misunderstood why I see him as a caricature. It's not the expressions/antics inherent to the childish medium that bothers me.
No, you were telling me (paraphrasing) that a character of an animated cartoon could not be put in a live-action film - come on, you can't honestly say that makes perfect sense; it happens all the time, and vice versa (the key thing is doing it right, which has happened before and can be done here as well).
Well at least now you appear to be narrowing it down to just disliking his hat and character design... we may be making some progress yet...
As you've made clear, these can be changed for a movie, and I completely agree.
You sure didn't seem to understand and agree with this before...
As I explained above, his design bothers me as it is derivative of OUR world, not a galaxy far far away.
I haven't seen any blue people on Earth, unless you count the Blue Man Group. If it's the humanoid that bothers you, then why are you accepting of Twi'leks and Zabraks that you mention in the upcoming quote? Those are humanoids, in fact there are a whole lot of humanoids in SW.
Also, people relate to other humans, or at at least human faces better when it comes to loving or hating a character (which I think is key in this instance). If there was another character design which could be a human in makeup (a la Twileks or Zabraks) then I'd be more open to it.
We don't necessarily need a human face or a face for that matter to relate to the character. It does also depend on their personality and actions if we love or hate them. Just look at Vader, we don't see his face, only a scary mask most the time and we love him. Look at R2, no human face whatsoever, but we love him. (Just to name a couple.)
As it stands, Cad Bane would have to be CG, or have a REALLY expressive prosthetic mask. Even if I did like his design, it wouldn't work even for a big movie production.
He does not have to be CG, nor should he be. The original Duros in the Cantina weren't CG and Ady, as he's proven in ANH:R, can work wonders with static masks. Greedo looks incredibly "alive" with the digitally manipulated expressions! Find a person with a slim and proper build to fit into a tailored Cad Bane suit, find a good Duos mask/prosthetic and we're off.
It would be like the Neimoidians all over again. They weren't threatening either.
Well that is part of the goal of Revisited, isn't it? To improve on characters where needed?
The fact he's a Duros doesn't change how I feel about it. I'm not going to suddenly like his character design just because he happens to be the same species we see in ANH. Lol.
That's good, because then you'd suddenly be contradicting your argument if you did.
Also, I agree that not everything from the PT was bad, and I do have an open mind already.
If that were true, then I simply don't understand why you have been gathering EVERY possible excuse you can grab onto for not wanting to like the Bane character, and why you choose not to see even the slightest potential he can have in live-action.
I get it. Characters can be adapted from film to cartoons. But you've got to ensure that when the reverse happens, it's not such a childish design that it'll look stupid in live action.
Again, any thing can be great in any medium. It is all dependent on who's in charge of it. I have no doubt Ady can accomplish it amazingly well if he wanted to do this.
In the case of Cad Bane, I believe I'm right.
In other words, you don't believe Ady can successfully do it.
Aurra Sing and all the other movie characters taken across to TCW looked less cartoony in their designs as a result of not having started as a cartoon.
I disagree with your notion. I'd have to say that Palpatine and Dooku were more "cartoony" looking than Bane in TCW (their shaped faces and hair were extremely exaggerated compared to their real counterparts), and those were main characters from the live-action films. But it doesn't actually matter how cartoony they look in TCW, what matters is how any of them look and feel in a live-action film.
Cad Bane has kids' show written all over him.
Not exactly true as you put it. Breaking necks, shooting innocent people behind their back, and any other method of killing... Yeah, right.
It's like they looked at the subtle things about Boba Fett and amped it up for an audience that can't pick up on these subtle cues yet.
I'd say the only inspiration from Boba was "we want an awesome bounty hunter just as Boba Fett was". Otherwise, you're comparing apples and oranges here. They may both be bounty hunters, but they have plenty enough of their own idiosyncrasies that make them different from each other.
"We've got to show he's a frontier rogue. Like a cowboy. How do we get kids to understand that?"
"Give him a cowboy hat?"
"Someone get this man a cookie!"
Well, great ideas, I'm sure, have been thought up while cookies were involved.
