The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 39

It's the same reveal as in ANH. Desert place looking for someone. Some guy comes around and is asked: "Hey do you know *****". "Yes it's me".

I'd say the mechanism is the same, with superficial differences. What I found most annoying however is the inmediate seriousness that takes over both characters (ObiWan and  Yoda) the exact moment their identities are revealed.

Too much sensei atmosphere can make a great master out of anything... but it's my perception of course.

Just my two cents on some of the location ideas posted in this thread:

1) I've always liked the mock-ups (like Bingo's and Angel's) that propose making Geonosis an ash-world. Too much desert in SW anyway.

2) Similar to what others have posted, why does everything in SW have to happen on Tatooine? It has always really bothered me that when they need to hide Luke and keep him safe, they take him to his dad's home planet, to be raised by the only possible family Anakin has left. He knew his wife was pregnant. If he wanted to investigate the possible survival of his child(ren), I'm pretty sure he would start at Tatooine and Naboo. Anakin should be from a different planet (Genosis perhaps, where he goes back in EpII to free the slaves and rescue his mother?), with no reference to the Hutts in the PT. Lars and Beru are two reluctant but compassionate people who get recruited by Obi-Wan to raise this kid because the fate of the galaxy could be at stake. Obi-Wan tells them just enough to convey the gravity of the situation, and Owen agrees though he doesn't really want this responsibility. This explains why Owen doesn't speak very kindly of Obi-Wan or Luke's father.

3) I would like to find a way to give Alderaan more purpose or screen time in the PT, but doing so would almost require changing Naboo into Alderaan. Doing this would contradict the logic I used above (that hiding Leia on her mom's home planet would be a bit too obvious).

Hiding Luke on Tatooine would make more sense if Tatooine had a tax break for infant migrants or something.

The Empire might want to drive the natives off their sands so they try to fill the planet with humans but only the poorest take up the offer.

The only way I can think of translating this to an edit would be to re-dub Beru again and draw out the reaction shots of Owen so she can talk on off screen while he is blankly pretending to give a damn.

That way Beru could explain that Luke's friends arrived on the planet because of this scheme and hated the place so much they left.

They could have provided cover for Luke which is now evaporating.

I've also read on this and the Radical Redux thread about the varying suggestions on lightsaber colors. Here's my humble opinion:

I'm not a big fan of the "Lite Brite" approach of having every color of the rainbow. George kind of set a precedent with the notion of blue=good, red=bad, and this works. I really like the suggestion from the Radical Redux thread of making the Jedi lightsabers varying shades of blue. Since it's a crystal inside the hilt that determines the blade color, different cuts or imperfections from one crystal to the next would cause slight variations in color. We see this all the time in diamonds and other gemstones. I also like the idea of letting Luke have the first green saber as it symbolizes a new start for the Jedi order, plus it could mean that he may have had to improvise a little bit with a different type of crystal (but no on-screen explanations, please).

This consistency of blue could apply to Mace, Dooku, and Anakin as well. No purple to make Mace "special", and a blue for Dooku to keep him a good Jedi, even if taking his own approach to the problem. I think one of the few things George got right was keeping Anakin's lightsaber blue during his duel with Obi Wan. I thought for sure he would make it red, but I'm glad he didn't treat it like a mood ring.

Now, before you say that it would look really boring with 30 blue lightsabers in one shot, I'm also going to echo Plinkett in that there are WAY too many lightsabers in the PT. It really missed the opportunity to explore the spiritual side of the Force. Instead, we got midichlorians and excuses to show off lightsabers in every scene. If that could be reduced, the varying hues of blue sabers could be very effective.

Again, this is just my opinion and Ady may already have one on the issue, but just thought I'd cast my vote.

BlueCardinal said:

I've also read on this and the Radical Redux thread about the varying suggestions on lightsaber colors. Here's my humble opinion:

I'm not a big fan of the "Lite Brite" approach of having every color of the rainbow. George kind of set a precedent with the notion of blue=good, red=bad, and this works. I really like the suggestion from the Radical Redux thread of making the Jedi lightsabers varying shades of blue. Since it's a crystal inside the hilt that determines the blade color, different cuts or imperfections from one crystal to the next would cause slight variations in color. We see this all the time in diamonds and other gemstones. I also like the idea of letting Luke have the first green saber as it symbolizes a new start for the Jedi order, plus it could mean that he may have had to improvise a little bit with a different type of crystal (but no on-screen explanations, please).

This consistency of blue could apply to Mace, Dooku, and Anakin as well. No purple to make Mace "special", and a blue for Dooku to keep him a good Jedi, even if taking his own approach to the problem. I think one of the few things George got right was keeping Anakin's lightsaber blue during his duel with Obi Wan. I thought for sure he would make it red, but I'm glad he didn't treat it like a mood ring.

Now, before you say that it would look really boring with 30 blue lightsabers in one shot, I'm also going to echo Plinkett in that there are WAY too many lightsabers in the PT. It really missed the opportunity to explore the spiritual side of the Force. Instead, we got midichlorians and excuses to show off lightsabers in every scene. If that could be reduced, the varying hues of blue sabers could be very effective.

Again, this is just my opinion and Ady may already have one on the issue, but just thought I'd cast my vote.

This is something I looked at a while ago and really want to see happen.

I even tinkered with doing global colour correction on Geonosis to make all the sabers blue without rotoscoping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam2WqcjGC4

I can tell that Ady would always go for a full rotoscope though, being a perfectionist. My test has some significant green bleed.

brash_stryker said:

This is something I looked at a while ago and really want to see happen.

I even tinkered with doing global colour correction on Geonosis to make all the sabers blue without rotoscoping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam2WqcjGC4

I can tell that Ady would always go for a full rotoscope though, being a perfectionist. My test has some significant green bleed.

Your end result looks pretty impressive. I like how it turned out, with slightly varying shades of blue, but not the combination of blue and green blades we got in the originals.

I just wish we didn't see so many damn lightsabers throughout the PT. How many saber users did we have in the OT? Three (Ben, Vader, Luke)? Yoda should never have one, and Han doesn't count because he only borrowed Luke's out of necessity. I haven't bothered to count, but the PT probably had about 60. To me, the lightsaber should be a weapon of last resort, when your mental and spiritual connection with the Force can't get the job done and you need immediate physical help. This is exactly why we should NEVER see Yoda "whip out that little laser sword of his and go to town," (quote: GL). But if he did, it'd be blue :)

doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

So since we know C-3PO will be in the prequels...

Any ideas about the origins of his silver leg?

Is it better to leave it a mystery or give an explanation?

20 years between III & IV, I'm sure it can be left to the imagination.

 We never found out why Threepio's tummy wires got a tuck for ROTJ but presumably he was serviced after the events of ESB.

doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

So since we know C-3PO will be in the prequels...

Any ideas about the origins of his silver leg?

Is it better to leave it a mystery or give an explanation?

20 years between III & IV, I'm sure it can be left to the imagination.

I think some things should be left to the imagination. I don't like how GL has tried to give us explanations for anything the fans have expressed interest in and ruining it for us (*cough*... Boba Fett! *cough*), and then try to tie up the end of each trilogy in a pretty little bow.

I showed my kids the movie Innerspace recently. My daughter didn't like it because of the open ending. She wanted to know exactly how everything turned out. I tried to explain to her that part of the fun is being able to imagine your own ending - you have plenty of clues as to what could happen next, but you get to decide for yourself. Regardless of whether or not the ST is any good, it would be great to see the Revisited saga end on a more ambiguous note... i.e the Death Star is destroyed and there's still a celebration, but there's more work for the Rebellion to do and Luke is leaving for another mission (reestablishing the Jedi order perhaps?).

They all end with the a group photo of some kind but it would be nicer if it was a little less posed (your can forgive ANH because it's an award ceremony where Threepio is a very big trophy).

Chewie's acceptance speech went on forever.

Bingowings said:

Chewie's acceptance speech went on forever.

 That's why they started playing the end credits music over it ;)

RE: The Ewoks (that aren't in ESB:R) as I've said before it makes more sense that they have already fought the Imperials (eaten some) and are planning to attack the bunker already (which explains the already laid traps).

My preferred structure is.

The Rebel attack team attack the Imperial troops officially stationed at the base (which matches what we currently see in the film).

The entire legion of best troops turn up and capture the rebels (which would mean a lot more troops on top of the ones the Rebels were expecting).

The Ewoks trigger their traps and attack the troops freeing the attack team.

The Ewoks and the attack team join forces against the Imperials and it's not an easy fight.

I would consider changing the pitch of the Ewoks voices so they sound less cute too.

This would be totally ambitious. And would require tonnes of extra stuff, but what if the Rebels sent two ships, and one (or both) got shot down over Endor?

Half the team would include our heroes, who would progress as normal.

They get captured as expected, the Ewoks cause a distraction, the fight starts as expected, but the missing Rebel troops show up at the climax to win the battle?

ben_danger said:

This would be totally ambitious. And would require tonnes of extra stuff, but what if the Rebels sent two ships, and one (or both) got shot down over Endor?

Half the team would include our heroes, who would progress as normal.

They get captured as expected, the Ewoks cause a distraction, the fight starts as expected, but the missing Rebel troops show up at the climax to win the battle?

The strike force are meant to feel that they have been successful to lure the Rebels in to be destroyed by the Imperial fleet and the station, shooting down half the attack force (when there is no way for the gunner to know if he is killing the Emperor's prize) is too risky a move for Vader and the Emperor to allow.

In a better film Jerjerrod might have done it and got punished for using his initiative.

I guess the story would have to be changed. Maybe half get lost?

ben_danger said:

I guess the story would have to be changed. Maybe half get lost?

It would overly complicate a set up that already needs some tweaking to work.

Ideally the Revisited series should take the intended idea (the Rebels are fooled into thinking the base is undefended and the station isn't operational, the Imperials still lose due to their overlooking the diminutive but capable natives coming to the Rebel's aid) and enhance it.

What needs to change is the scale of the thing which is a bit flat and mundane for a Star Wars film and the tone which is light and comic which is entirely inappropriate for the climax of a film about war albeit a fantasy one.