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from what I heard NONE of them were in HD
“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”
The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 12
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FVDnz said:
Bingowings said:
Well no I would start with Luke already on Dagobah.
Yoda dies after finishing his job.
Well like the Falcon enters Yavin IV's orbit with the following shot as it comes in to land, that's how I would like to see Jedi start with Luke entering Dagobah's orbit, he lands and then it can carry on to the existing footage with Luke and Yoda. That way I do think with Yoda dying at the beginning might lend more weight for the movie not to mention another Jedi passing on.
Or do you still prefer to have the movie start off with Vader boarding the Death Star like it originally had?
In the language of cinema a shot like that implies that Luke has just arrived.
One of the problems with Luke's story fastforwarding to it's conclusion in Episode 6 is Luke has had a few days with Ben, a few days with Yoda (possibly a few ghost notes) and he's a Jedi Knight.
If you start with him on the planet he's at least had some months with Yoda, maybe years (which is why I can see Leia becoming impatient) before he dies.
Either way it's better than Yoda popping his clogs in mid conversation.
"Hi Luke, thanks for coming back. I'm feeling a bit sick *cough*. Yeah sorry about not telling you about Vader being your dad but it was sort of your fault. I think I'm going to lay down now and die. Oh you have a sis..."
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I want to throw an idea out there that I don't know if has been suggested before even though i'ts not very "Star Warsy", it could be cool.
So what I was thinking was to have in ROTS Palpatine coming to Mustafar to find Anakin burned but not saying, "And he is still alive". Just have him kneel right next to his supposed corpse, and that is the last we see of him. Then we show Padme's dying speech to Obi wan and we hear crying baby on the background but not see them. Then we see Padme's funeral, later Yoda speaking to Obi Wan about Qui Gon, and then Yoda going to Dagobah (up to the editor). Then the film closes the same it does originally with Obi Wan leaving Luke with uncle Owen and aunt Beru and that leaves intrigue to the audience that Padme delivered the baby and that that's Anakin's son, but most importantly they think that there was only one baby the whole time.
Now this is where it gets "unstar warsy". After the reveal of Darth Vader on Empire Strikes back audience gets surprised and wonder how did Anakin survived and became Darth Vader. So what I had in mind is to start ROTJ even before the crawl, to have sort of a Prologue/Flashback in the style of Lord of the Rings where in the third movie the prologue is gollum's transformation. This Prologue would be sort of a montage of all the things that where kept from us in ROTS. We show Anakin getting in costume and Padme giving birth to twins but still not naming them because Leia has not yet been reveal as Luke's sister by that time. And end the montage with Vader's "Yes master" and fade to black or show Vader and the Emperor on the star destroyer and have them both look at the early Death Star. When the montage ends we see A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away and Rotj starts.
Check out my Episode I edit.
Sorry for Bad English.
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That's all well and good, but Adywan has already confirmed that in his version, Padme is not going to die.
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FVDnz said:
That's all well and good, but Adywan has already confirmed that in his version, Padme is not going to die.
He could always....*GASP*...change his mind if a new or better idea arises!
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Play nice.
I have seen a few edits that took the prologue to the crawl approach... and it is just awful. It really takes you out of the film.
I will say though, a fall of vader montage in RotJ might not be awful, so long as you placed it within the constructs of the film. Perhaps a scene where Vader is meditating, thinking about Luke, and flashes of happiness with Padme, the death of his mother, "No, I need him" - cutting off Mace's arm, and his original duel with Obi Wan could be used, interspersed with shots of Luke's face. It would have to be short so as to not detract though.
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After reading Ady all these years, PT flashbacks in an OT edit just doesn't seem his style.
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That is why I was suggesting a prologue before the film instead of flashbacks inside the movie, which feels even more "unstar warsy" than a prologue.
Check out my Episode I edit.
Sorry for Bad English.
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krloz said:
That is why I was suggesting a prologue before the film instead of flashbacks inside the movie, which feels even more "unstar warsy" than a prologue.
I like the idea of a prologue....before Phantom Menace.
Why? Because so many of the crucial plot elements: The Sith, The Nature Of The Force, The Jedi, The Formation of the Republic, The Chosen One Prophecy....are glossed over so much in the prequels that you don't even really know what they are.
It'd be nice to have a prologue explaining what the Sith are, what the Chosen One Prophecy means, and what the Force is. Think about it: no one ever actually addresses what the Force IS in Episode I. To a first time viewer, it'd be confusing to have these guys that are just randomly able to push back robots with their minds.
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That could be cool to establish everything but the footage for such prologue doesn't exist. The best you could get is the Old Republic Cinematic trailers and those are Anmimated. It's good CG but it's still noticeable. It would be boring if you just have a voice talking and explaining everything with stars in the background. But if good footage exists to create a good prologue then that would be cool.
Check out my Episode I edit.
Sorry for Bad English.
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While it certainly doesn't make sense for them to be there in the first place, couldn't you just skip past needing an explanation for the droids being there by starting the movie with them already in the palace, ala Lando. Threepio is already Jabba's translator, and Artoo doesn't even appear until they head out to the sail barge.
Smuggling Han out of the palace is a horrible idea to begin with, since it is a heavily armed fortress. Getting everyone out to the open air on the sail barge is a far better plan, especially with skiffs to steal.
Why can't the plan start with getting everyone inside Jabba's palace?
Lando, Artoo, and Threepio don't need an intro of how they infiltrated. They're just there to start the film.
Leia is disguised as a bounty hunter with Chewie as bounty to get both of them in. Leia "botches" the rescue, which is needed to free Han from the carbonite. There isn't a plan they could come up with that would have been better with Han remaining in that block, and they needed to be able to evaluate him to see if he could even do anything once they got him out. Maybe even imply Threepio ratted out Leia. Jabba wanted Han alive the whole time (witness Boba Fett saying that he was no good to him dead), so surely they could count on Jabba not immediately executing Solo. Change Jabba's dialogue to promising Leia a fate worse than death to explain why she doesn't get imprisoned in the cells like Han and Chewie.
Luke is the last to enter. Maybe use the audio from his now cut hologram to have him make his offer to Jabba for a peaceful exchange. Jabba, who has been shown to prefer torturous and unique execution methods (leaving Han in Carbonite, and Oola the dancer going to the Rancor), will surely not just shoot Luke and be done with it, instead he feeds him to the Rancor. Luke slays the Rancor, and Jabba goes with the almighty Sarlaac.
Now you have a slightly recovered Solo that can actually participate (even if just a little) in any action. Lando, as a skiff guard, is in perfect position to help take over their skiff to escape.
The only real blip in their plan is that Jabba doesn't slate Leia for execution like the others, keeping her with him. That necessitates the bloodshed to rescue her, and it has to happen right there, as they won't get a second chance to escape. The Rebels are also preparing to attack the new Death Star, so there won't be any help from them.
It's not that great of an idea, but I think that any plan that goes with the thought they're going to walk or even fight out with a Han they don't even know the condition of is ludicrous, thus why the Sarlaac was the only option for them.
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It's a shame Leia isn't disguised as Boba Fett.
That way she could suggest the Sarlacc as a punishment and suddenly the plan makes sense and Fett's off screen death leads to Han's freedom which would be better than going out like a sucker.
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Could change the light and textures to make the Sarlaac sequence seem like evening.
Open up side of barge with window or sliding panels for wider view and balcony feel?
ANH ANH-ESB ESB-25ROTJ-15TPM 25TPM-50AOTC-15ROTS ROTS-fforward to DSII ROTJ
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That would be a good idea if it could be done.
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From Ady in a different thread on keeping the Vader secret:
If vader in the suit had been the one to storm the Jedi Temple then it would have gone along with what Obi-Wan told luke about Vader "hunting down and destroying the Jedi", but without spoiling the ESB revelation. In fact, that's exactly what i'm hoping to achieve in ROTS:Revisited. It's going to be very tough to acheive, but on the plus side this means that there will be a lot less of that whiny, emo, crap actor Hayden in the movie, which can only be a good thing
My head is spinning on how the rest of the movie plays out with that in mind...
(A crude attempt of mine at a ROTS Vader...):
Preferred Saga:
1,2: Numeraljoker extended
3: L8wrtr
4,6-9: Hal9000
5: Adywan
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I'd prefer one of the McQuarrie concept masks myself.
You could have one for Vader and another for Grievous suggesting some sort of link between the two characters.
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nightstalkerpoet said:
(A crude attempt of mine at a ROTS Vader...):
That looks heckuva cool.
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A little more on the Vader/ Ep3 thing that i posted on facebook;
The REAL Darth Vader will be the one that storms the Jedi Temple in Episode 3:Revisited and not Anakin. Now will this be exact same Vader we see in the OT or a version closer to a hybrid of ANH Vader and Ralph McQuarrie's concept? At the moment i'm undecided. But, as you probably know, Vaders costume changed slightly with each film (Original Trilogy), so it would make sense to have a slightly different costume in Ep3. But it won't be the mask/ costume seen in EP3, as i hate that version. It just looks wrong.
Now there is a reason why it will be the suited Vader and not unmasked Anakin, but i'm keeping this under wraps until i get to the prequels just in case what i have planned doesn't work in regards to the story. But events as you know them now in the Official version of EP3 will be having a major rearrangement, so the Obi-Wan/ Anakin duel will most likely be taking place during the middle part of the films instead of towards the end. It will all become clear closer to the time, but this is going to be quite a few years off yet.
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If only you could find someone who owns one of the McQuarrie concept helmets...
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/EFX-mcquarrie-darth-vader-helmet.htm
This is what should have been on screen in ROTS. Why should Vader's suit not have evolved or changed at all in twenty years?
Where were you in '77?
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SilverWook said:
If only you could find someone who owns one of the McQuarrie concept helmets...
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/EFX-mcquarrie-darth-vader-helmet.htm
This is what should have been on screen in ROTS. Why should Vader's suit not have evolved or changed at all in twenty years?
My Revisited FB page response to this same suggestion:
As much as I like the McQuarrie piece I think that it might actually look TOO cool for us to then move on from there to the OT look we're all accustomed to. I think it would be a lot like many of the other mistakes GL made when making the PT....making things too cool, too updated, too perfect for them to be followed up with the out-dated universe we see in the OT.
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Loving the concept of reordering the film so that it is Darth Vader post-suit that attacks the temple and using the Mcquarrie prototype helmet, but looking down that page at the photos it, the most striking one is the image of the mask without the helmet.
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/2010/SWH_RMQ_Vad10.jpg
It would seem to be the most appropriate approach as the first iteration of the suit should look like it's just had its parts requisitioned from bits of medical tech lying around just to keep Anakin/Darth alive. The sudden appearance of the full Darth Vader suit in EpIII seems awfully convienient that it was just lying around or had been designed and created on the fly. We can easily imagine he refines the mask and adds the helmet later on between films as he grows into his role of the Emperor's apprentice.
It would also echo Anakin's redemption in EpV1 when Luke removes the helmet
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There is also the other McQuarrie Vader concept which does look like the forerunner of the costume we know.
http://www.df.lth.se/~ola/Starwars/StarWars/starwars2.html
The ILM guys cobbled their own Vader together for a party at the Van Nuys warehouse.
Where were you in '77?
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Darth Batman!
Spoiler free for the ST
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I feel like this makes the hiding that Anakin = Vader a little trickier... but we'll see (eventually).