The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread

Alright, I'm going to bite the bullet here and attempt to start this... if it fails, it fails...

This thread is intended to be a discussion of any ideas that you have for the entirety of Adywan's REVISITED SAGA. If you have an idea of what to do in the PT:R, feel free to post it. An idea for a change in ANH:R:SE, great. If you have an idea of something to change in in ROTS that will effect something in ESB and require you to change something else in RotJ for it to work... That's the sort of thing I think would be great to talk about.

I understand there are plenty of discussions of what people would like to be changed in ANY fanedit, but I think that everyone has a slightly different view of how they'd like the Revisited edits to turn out. Some radical ideas like removing the Ewoks altogether might make for a fun edit that I'd love to see... but it's not something I'm looking for in Revisited. For a lot of us, each Revisited edit will replace the official as the version that we watch - and so a lot of us have higher expectations, and certain things we'd like kept in for nostalgia, despite certain negative aspects.

I sincerely hope that I don't offend anyone that is a part of Adywan's Revisited Project by starting this thread. I'm just eager for something new to talk about as I wait for ESB:R.

Let the discussion begin:

A part of me would love to see Ewan McGregor's mole added to Alec Guinness in the OT. A small change that doesn't detract from the film, but does add a nice bit of continuity. Keep in mind that when Ady is done with the Prequels, we probably WON'T hate them, and will enjoy the continuity, as opposed to hating anything that connects the originals to the blasphemy that is the PT.

Thank you. Someone had to do it.

I'd like to know why people (including Ady, at some point in time) think it's a good idea (or even possible) to give Obi a second apprentice in the PT. If Ani's his only apprentice, you can still make Ani=Vader a surprise. So... why?

I think the only reason it really works is because when Obi-Wan says "a pupil of mine" about Darth Vader it gives the impression that he trained multiple people.

I'm not sure it would be possible to add another apprentice. The only thing I see it working for is to show that Anakin is truly a full fledged jedi. Having him and Obi-Wan working together at the beginning of RotS was a missed opportunity to see Anakin acting on his own. When you keep seeing them together, you start to doubt Anakin's ability to ever strike out on his own.

Yeah... actually kinda amusing that came up. it's like the only thing I responded to on that thread.

How do people feel about splitting up the prequel films. Should Revisited be a reworking of the 3 films with the storylines they have, or should they be combined together into one Revisited Prequel film, or Two Prequel films using the best elements of all three?

Ender, nightstalk,

While that's the obvious answer, it means you can't show Ani's death. No lava fight, no explanation for how he ended up so scarred, no nothing.

ImperialFighter said:

To be honest, I have the same problem with this, and was happy to wait until adywan's own future 'official' REVISITED threads, purely so that any good ideas didn't get scattered and lost over *too many* threads

 

I definitely understand your concerns, and this may not be for everybody. I'm simply trying to offer an outlet for some pent up revisited hype in the final stages of ESB:R where group discussion/input is generally finished. I also have to say that I have really wanted to discuss PT:R for a long time... and having started keeping tabs on these edits at 18, it's seems strange to not discuss the ones I'm really interested in until I'm almost 30...

If Ady requests it, I'm perfectly happy asking a mod to obliterate this whole thread.

Serling1979 said:

I always liked the idea of a second apprentice. It would keep the whole who killed whom story a lot more ambiguous and would make a great reveal in ESB.

The good thing is that the PT offers a lot of potential for these changes. It might sound crazy but we see Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan because we saw the movies.

Ewan and Alec resemble each other but what if Qui-Gon never existed. What if Liam Neeson played Obi-Wan and Ewan and Hayden would play Ani and Darth, respectively. There aren't enough scenes with Liam Neeson in the Episode 1 and it would take a lot of redubs of scenes with Ewan and Hayden to make them totally new characters.

It would be a lot of work but the interaction between the two actors is already there. You would just need to change the tone of the scenes and what the scenes are about. The visual clumsiness of the PT (Obi-Wan=light colored clothes=good guy and Ani=dark colored clothes=bad guy) could be turned into something really symbolic.

What do you think? 

I don't really think that Vader as the other apprentice works. It's too clear cut. I think the group of apprentices works best - perhaps show Obi-Wan training a group of jedi. Maybe he could be watching lightsaber training from the top of an arena while talking to Anakin?

Another idea might be to establish "vader" as a term referring to someone who has left the jedi order. I know it sounds strange, but it might play out nicely. The title Darth Vader would then literally translate to "a sith lord who abandoned the jedi".

timdiggerm said:

Ender, nightstalk,

While that's the obvious answer, it means you can't show Ani's death. No lava fight, no explanation for how he ended up so scarred, no nothing.

The whole thing will have to be reworked. You remove Palpatine actually naming Anakin "Darth Vader". You give the impression that Anakin dies on Mustafar. By showing the battle and having him "die" without Palpatine showing up, you can just assume Vader is the new villain of the film, in the same way that Maul and Dooku and Grievous were. You also have to cut most of the tying up stuff. I'm almost thinking you could show Yoda arriving on Dagobah, and end with Padme's funeral procession. If you add Obi-Wan to Padme's funeral, you tie up the fate of everyone you think is alive. 

You could also change up Obi-Wan's line from "a young Jedi named Darth vader, who was..." to "a young jedi, who as a pupil of mine...

And then the viewer has no idea how Ani got his scars.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure that Obi-Wan has to be shown to be partially lying.

By never showing that the twins are born at the end of RotS, and never showing that Anakin lives (nor naming his as vader), it ultimately does preserve the secret.

Plus, it adds another surprise when suddenly, Luke Skywalker is ALIVE on Tatooine. Someone new to the movies might actually truly be surprised.

By removing "a young jedi named Darth Vader" and simply cutting it as "a young jedi, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" we never have it confirmed that Vader has anything to do with Anakin at all. Thus, when the Vader/Obi-Wan battle takes place, it could very easily be some other grudge from Obi's past (such as another apprentice?). 

In the ESB:R thread I suggested an added scene at the end of ANH that plays out like this:

Vader's ship lands on Coruscant at the end of ANH, and seeing him on a landing platform speaking to someone of importance (no clue who) would be a really nice tie in and look pretty cool

"Lord Vader"

"Yes, commander?"

"We have the name of the Rebel Pilot responsible for the destruction of the Death Star"

"What is it (What is his name)?"

"Luke Skywalker, my lord. It appears that he may be the son of Anakin Skywalker."

"That... is impossible"

"I believed all traces of Skywalker were eliminated with the rest of the Jedi."

"As did I commander... as... did... I..."

This now has the first-time viewer torn. The battle with Obi-Wan made us think it's Anakin... but this scene at the end makes it sound like someone else (since Vader is speaking as if it is about someone else).

Ultimately, rearranging in this way does preserve (and add to, in certain ways) the surprises of the OT. Of course it will never perfectly fix the surprise at the end of ESB, but I think it's about as close as you can get.

I think Yoda should always be on Dagobah, even in the prequels, and the Jedi would sometimes go there to be trained.

Not if palpatine never finds out, just because the Jedi work with Palpatine (and who knows, perhaps in some edit, the Temple will be moved off coruscant) does not mean that they are required to reveal all of their secrets to him, though admittedly Vader would probably know.

... I'm not a big fan of moving Yoda too much in the PT, besides rearranging his lines as per the "Yoda Speech Pattern" thread.

but.. were that to take place, Anakin doesn't ever have to actually meet with Yoda. Obi-Wan says he thought his could train Anakin as well as Yoda trained him. Implying Yoda played no hand in Anakin's training. Perhaps replacing Yoda's shots in the Council with a hologram could work. You could change the background of the scene at the end of TPM (Agree with you the council does, your apprentice skywalker will be) to appear as if it happens on Dagobah.

You might lose the Yoda revelation... but it is such a short period of time in which it takes place (from meeting Yoda to learning who he really is) that it's not as big of a loss. It's hard to remember some of the "surprises of the OT"... I'd completely forgotten that first time seeing it where you think he's some random alien there to get on Luke's nerves.

However, I will say that the PT changed it to a different revelation... the revelation that to a certain degree, Yoda did go a bit nuts on Dagobah. I think for a first time viewer watching films 1-6, they might seriously be in shock "Oh my god - That's Yoda now.Wtf happened to him??!!"