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To be fair, DanielB's post wasn't entirely off-topic, as this site is here to discuss fictional stories.

Nice way to drum up false sympathy. Don't let it hit you on the way out.
That kind of thing really goes against the grain. Just for clarification I haven't lied on this site once, or created any false stories.
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I saw a poster yesterday for a new version of Assault On Precinct 13.

I worked for one of the many Post Production companies doing effects for Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and the concept art looked fantastic. Plus Johnny Depp is great so I have high hopes for this movie. Roald Dahl's story's are very wierd and sinister and I think this new film will capture this aspect more than the seventies film.

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I don't mind remakes if they either improve upon the original (which occasionally happens, such as Reservoir Dogs)


Uh... Resevoir Dogs is not a remake...
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It kind of is. Just like Magnificent seven. Just like A new Hope in fact when you think about it.

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Sometimes, movies are very loosely based or adapted from previous films. They may not be a direct remake like Dawn of the Dead, but they are, in a sense, a remake.

The Magnificent Seven is based on Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai.

ANH is based on Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress.

Last Man Standing and A Fistful of Dollars were based on Kurosawa's Yojimbo.

I was reading a review of the remake of Assault on Precinct 13 and the reviewer said that people cannot complain about this remake being made simply because it's not the first "remake" of the film. Carpenter himself remade his original AoP13 as Ghosts of Mars (with the location changed, of course) and that the original AoP13 was pretty much a remake of, I think he said, High Noon. Maybe it was a different spaghetti western, but I think that's what he said.

Reservoir Dogs was based on a Chinese film called City on Fire and also stole some scenes, pretty much frame for frame, from Kubrick's The Killing.
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Well, if you look it this way, everyone copied everyone, that copied everyone, and every movie around is based in either Orson Welles' or Fritz Lang's.
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That's what Hollywood is all about. Nothing is ever a truly original idea as even personal stories take a foothold in some sort of pop culture referent.
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I don't mind remakes if they either improve upon the original (which occasionally happens, such as Reservoir Dogs) or take it in a new direction. Such as the new Manchurian Candidate. Now, it was not as good as the original, but I rather liked the updated plot that dealt with corporations, etc. I also liked Liev Schrieiber, as Laurence Harvey was a bit wooden, and his English accent kept getting more and more apparant as the film went on.

The new Willy Wonka looks good too, as it's going to follow the novel more (the title will now be "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory").


I dunno, im not really feeling a new Willy Wonka (though honestly i know very little about it) I just think that Deep looks way to efeminen (sp?)

Some remakes i do like are (possibly cause i havent seen the original or saw the original after the remake)
Thomas Crown Affair
Gone in 60 Seconds
Italian Job
The Jackal (i believe there was a previous movie for this)
Various Robin Hood remakes are good
Last Man Standing
The Saint (not really a remake, but based off an old series)
and im sure there are others...

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ps. isnt this a things we hate thread? do we have a general movie discussion thread? if not we need one
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i hate when people find it necessary to state how they hate a movie at every chance they get (whenver its the slightest bit relevant)...you said it once, we get the point

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
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"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I don't mind remakes if they either improve upon the original (which occasionally happens, such as Reservoir Dogs) or take it in a new direction. Such as the new Manchurian Candidate. Now, it was not as good as the original, but I rather liked the updated plot that dealt with corporations, etc. I also liked Liev Schrieiber, as Laurence Harvey was a bit wooden, and his English accent kept getting more and more apparant as the film went on.

The new Willy Wonka looks good too, as it's going to follow the novel more (the title will now be "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory").


it always bothered me as a kid why they called the book Charlie and the movie Willy Wonka but i found out
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I like the new look for Willy Wonka, very Tim Burton.
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/catcfcaps/catcf_051.jpg

But they didn't want the Oompa Loompas to look like black pygmies I guess because of racial concerns.

http://www.timburtoncollective.com/catcfcaps/catcf_022.jpg
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So it's like, Michael Jackson and a midget version of Eurithmics own a depressive-goth styled chocolate factory?
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Seems that way.
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Another classic destroyed by hollywood remakes.

But serioulsy, I allways hated the Chocolate Factory flick. Thought it was friggin retarted.


Bad egg.

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I actually have a good feeling about this one.
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http://www.timburtoncollective.com/catcfcaps/catcf_051.jpg

I don't. This Willy looks terrible to me. Maybe its because I don't dig Tim Burton too much.

And Chaltab. The orginal Wonka is great. Gene Wilder this guy aint.
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I think the new Wonka will come down to whether or not people like Burton or not. I for one, love him, and am look forward to it. But if you don't like Burton's work (I agree, he's quite odd), you probably won't like it,

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I'm looking forward to Charlie And The Chocolate Factory cos I was working at one of the London Effects houses doing the CGI and I saw loads of great artwork and I've read the script, plus I love Burton (Except Planet of the Apes...)

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The original Willy Wonka was kinda weird, and is pretty dated...
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Gene Wilder this guy aint.


Nobody is Gene Wilder. He is a classic and can never be replaced.

However, we are talking Johnny Depp. He's an eccentric one in his own right and I think he could be interesting in the role so long as he doesn't try to be Gene Wilder.
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Bill Wonka? Must've been how he was known when he was working in the more corporate world of candy making. Hershey's perhaps?
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well, Billy=Willy=William=Will=Bill, so I just assumed.


you know what they say when you make an assumption...

you make an ass out of you and 'mption
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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