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The Things We Hate And Love Thread . — Page 193

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Originally posted by: greencapt
We cannot undo history that has been done (lords know there's a couple of things I'd like to undo) but we CAN control the destiny of the history we CREATE.


No fate but what we make for ourselves.
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Any other cliches you'd like to dredge up, AWK?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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^

yawn
"Yub Knub" by Warrick Davis
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Originally posted by: kev
^

yawn


I hate the above post. Not kev for posting it, but the fact that it's been used by, like, four people already. If you find the thread boring, either make it interesting or don't bother to reply!
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
WHEN WE GET THE NEW SOFTWARE THERE WILL BE AN IGNORE BUTTON. I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WE NEED. IMPOSING AN AGE LIMIT IS NOT THE ANSWER. WE'VE ALWAYS SAID ON HERE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO POST IN ANY TOPIC THREAD. YES, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE CAUSED TROUBLE IN PARTICULAR THEADS, AND WE'VE WANTED THOSE PEOPLE BANNED FROM THEM. HOWEVER, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DEAL WITH IT.

*sigh* you're probably right. I'm sorry for letting these people get under skin, but I have. Its a character flaw of mine.


Originally posted by: sybeman
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi


Because anyone taking such actions as killing people and destroying property over someone's opinion do not understand the concept of tolerance. You have a point. No matter the religion, I find it pathetic that people would react so violently and irrationally over someone's opinion. If that person who wrote the comic wants to put down a religious leader, I say, more power to them!


Why should they be the ones who have to learn tolerance? Shouldn't we also be tolerant of others' beliefs? Tolerance doesn't really work unless everyone is tolerant, and these cartoons don't go very far towards showing tolerance and respect for Islam. Besides, free speech isn't really free and never has been. Those cartoons, in another light, could be viewed as hate speech, and in cases where our free speech causes harm to another's culture, I feel it should be limited.


I agree, we should all learn tolerance. But insulting one's religous belief does not justify murder or other acts of violence. I doubt any god worth worshipping would want people to kill other people or commit other acts of violence towards those people just because they insulted him/her. But I still think that it is a disgrace for the papers to print the cartoons. Yes, they do and should have the right to print them, but that doesn't mean they should print them. I hope no paper in the U.S.A. decides to print them.

I pity humanity for not advancing beyond this kind of problem.

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Do they really have the right to print them, though? When does freedom of the press become libel? I mean, it's a public document, so you can't make false claims about a person. How does a prophet differ?
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
YOU CAN'T HAVE GOOD WITHOUT EVIL.

perhaps.....but I wish we could.

Originally posted by: sybeman
Do they really have the right to print them, though? When does freedom of the press become libel? I mean, it's a public document, so you can't make false claims about a person. How does a prophet differ?


not having seen all of the cartoons, I can't say that they are making false claims. I what I do know is this a newspaper shouldn't be legally barred from printting somthing soley because it would offend a religious group. Freedom of the press a is very important right and it can't and shouldn't be limited just because a paper might offend someone. It can be argued that the moment we limit somthing like freedom of the press, is the moment we are no longer free. But again that doesn't mean that the papers should have printed them. The papers should have used more common sense.
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Freedom of the press and freedom of speech are both very important rights, but the fact that they are rights does not mean that we throw discretion to the wind.

Example: I am a lawyer (in training). Someone contacts me and wants me to defend their rights on a particular issue. I do not agree with their position on that right. Do I still have to defend them? No. If I think their claim is frivolous and that they will waste more money defending that right than finding a simpler solution, I have the discretion to refuse to defend that person. That does not mean the right will not get defended; I'm sure someone else will take the case because the dollar signs will attract him/her.

In the case of these cartoons, freedom of speech/freedom of the press may dictate that they have a right to be printed, but that did not take away the papers' discretion not to print them. They simply chose not to exercise that discretion.

Rights go hand in hand with responsibilities. Never forget that.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
"WITH GREAT POWER OF THE PRESS COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESS."


Gah! You beat me to that one.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

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Good one, D. Big fan of Spiderman references
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Originally posted by: sybeman
Good one, D. Big fan of Spiderman references


I concur.
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i hate how people fight on this forum. it was never like this back in june when i first started posting. it makes me feel really sad

~* you know you love me... xoxo *~

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yeah it all really started after EP3 came out, and all the whiners started to show up.
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Originally posted by: Hot.like.fire
i hate how people fight on this forum. it was never like this back in june when i first started posting. it makes me feel really sad


IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE THIS SITE STARTED. I KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN I QUITE A FEW OF THEM.

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