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Well, a topless woman would not, in and of itself, warrant an NC-17 rating. Not even in a sex scene topless. There have been hundreds of movies with topless women in sexually suggestive situations that have been R rated.

Yes, Bay was trying to avoid an R as he kept telling Scarlett that he wanted a PG-13 and that's the reason she couldn't be topless. That was actually his defense. But if he was trying to get himself a larger audience, the PG-13 certainly didn't help the cause much, now did it?
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I know, I'm just growing weary of Ric's apparent need to see NC-17 movies go mainstream.

I just don't think it's going to happen this year.

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I dunno, I kind of liked The Island, the topless scene would have made it much better though.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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would have been better if you saw more
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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I got rid of my sig

leave me alone, please
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I actually was going to use that as a signature(but a bit smaller)
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
I hate people who hate the O-OT


look at this


I don't hate the people, but I do hate the statements made on the linked page on the site.


I hate the arguments over tacky signatures

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I know.

Its a joke.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well, if it was NC-17, it wouldn't get any distribution.

I just assume he made sure it stayed PG-13 because it has a slightly larger viewer range than an R rating (IE teens out without their parents)


Well if I was a filmmaker I would film the movie the way I feel it's right, with nudity or gore if it has to, and whatever rating I get it's ok by me. NC-17 movies do get distributed, how was I able to watch American Psycho?


I don't know, but AS A GENERAL RULE most theatres... or at least the ones in my area... don't play NC-17 movies.
Well you must go to a pretty crappy theatre then. I've never heard of a cinema not showing films at the higher end of the ratings scale. The way I see it, if it has been accredited by the board with a rating, even a high one, then it should be shown. If it was banned by them then I can understand.
In england we have:

U (universal, suitable for all)
PG (Parental Guidance)
12A (Over 12s only, unless accompanied by an adult)
15 (over 15s only - although these are rare)
18 (over 18s only)

All these ratings are shown at all cinemas. If an adult wants to watch a film that has been classified by the board and received a stamp of approval, then why shouldn't they?




War does not make one great.

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"Kids" released in 1995 was rated 18 and was banned
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I wasn't asking about banned movies. I was saying that if they are not banned, then cinemas should show them. I don't need a theatre chain deciding what I can and can't see. It's bad enough that the classification board does it.

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
I wasn't asking about banned movies. I was saying that if they are not banned, then cinemas should show them. I don't need a theatre chain deciding what I can and can't see. It's bad enough that the classification board does it.


I agree. Apart for pornographic features, which SHOULD be featured in separated theaters, every movie should get proper distribution no matter what is the rating. Also, what pisses me off is how filmmakers are having to tame down their movies so they have a lower rating, in order to cash more money, I think this is BS, it goes against everything this art stands for. I'll give you examples:

Uh might have some spoilers so uh, if you're sensitive to that don't read any forther...

* Pearl Harbor, in the atack scene there's a moment where the injured and burned american soldiers were crawling to the nearby hospital and the scene was shot in a foggy, un-focused way, when I saw this I screamed "F***! PG-13 strikes again!! Show me the true horror of war dammit!"

* Riders of the Lost Ark, Spielberg had to tame down the melting-nazis scene to avoid an R rating

* The infamous american cut of "Eyes Wide Shut" - fortunally it's uncut in other countries

* The non-japanese cut of Kill Bill 1


A good example of what should be done is ROTS, the movie was rated PG-13 so it could get a little bit closer to what GL intended, also the Matrix movies being rated R...
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
I wasn't asking about banned movies. I was saying that if they are not banned, then cinemas should show them. I don't need a theatre chain deciding what I can and can't see. It's bad enough that the classification board does it.


Absolutely. BUT that said, welcome to the United States film production and distribution system. We have theatres with 30 screens and they can still only show and promote six films at a time. We have a society that can watch gratuitous violence on television and yet internally combusts at the sight of a woman's nipple. And we have a motion picture ratings board that, though filmmakers are technically under no obligation to get their films rated, wield a great and arbitrary power over what can and cannot be shown to audiences. The vast majority of cinemas are owned by a very very few corporations and they have absolute power over what films they will exhibit- 99% of them will never show unrated films and very few will give any screen space to NC-17 films as most exhibitors regard as pornography-lite. This is one of the many reasons the DVD market has flourished- just slap the words 'Unrated Edition' on a DVD cover and many people will buy that version instead of the 'theatrical' or watered-down Blockbuster Video version.

What the MPAA and cinema chains tend to forget is that there is a vast audience of *adults* in the USA who don't need a nanny telling us what we can and can't see. The MPAA thinks it is protecting children but they are not. Especially not while the video game industry and television with their arbitrary ratings systems go almost always overlooked. Why is it that we as adults are capable of changing the channel on the television when a 'TV-MA' program comes on but unable to know better than taking our kids to a NC-17 film? The answer is we ARE capable of making informed decisions- its a shame Hollywood is not.
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You mean you can't even rent the proper version in blockbuster? You get a watered down version? Geez. I remember I bought a CD in America from Walmart. I chose walmart because it was cheaper than everywhere else and because I was a naive foreigner. I got it home, stuck it in the player, and the words were bleeped out./ Actually bleeped out! Not an explicit lyrics sticker, just bleeped out. I took it back and was denyed a refund but then I put the charming English accent into play and explained my naivity at US lyrics policies and got a refund.

War does not make one great.

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YIYF-

I haven't *rented* a vid in quite some time but part of the reason I chose to stop was that Blockbuster drove the mom-and-pop video rental stores out of business meanwhile having the gall to force movie studios to either cut down even some 'R' rated films or they wouldn't carry the title. Blockbuster also was strongly anti-DVD because of the low cost to consumers; they ALSO were anti-letterboxing and OAR because their employees were too stupid to be able to explain to their cutsomers the logic behind OAR.

Right bloody bastards, Blockbuster is!
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Sounds like America is a bit of a 'nanny state' when it comes to entertainment.

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
You mean you can't even rent the proper version in blockbuster? You get a watered down version? Geez. I remember I bought a CD in America from Walmart. I chose walmart because it was cheaper than everywhere else and because I was a naive foreigner. I got it home, stuck it in the player, and the words were bleeped out./ Actually bleeped out! Not an explicit lyrics sticker, just bleeped out. I took it back and was denyed a refund but then I put the charming English accent into play and explained my naivity at US lyrics policies and got a refund.


Ah, so I see that Frank Zappa's nightmare has finally come true.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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i remember the bbc cut out the temple of doom bit where ripped out heart take place
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That's different though, that's television censorship, which also bugs me but at least I can understand it.

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Wait a minute...

You mean they don't sell the censored versions of CDs in England?

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no, clown
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Hm. Weird. I didn't know that.

So, like, you guys can't really turn some songs up loud since there is no way to buy the bleeped version? That would suck.

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well i live in ireland and i have lots of uncut and explicit music
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