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I set up a quickie page for all the Google Video links, as well as for putting in my message board signatures:

The Thief and the Cobbler on Google Video
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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I'm new to posting on these boards but have been following this thread since early in the year. I really liked the Recobbled Cut and it made me a fan of the film. Too bad about ocpmovie not being here anymore. He really did a lot for this movie.

If a Mark III were to be made with or without ocpmovie, would it be worth replacing the blurry AVI of the workprint with a 1st-gen PAL tape Jerry Verschoor has?
The VHS of the widescreen Princess cut that was used for Mark II looked pretty good from what I saw of it compared to what was used before.
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Well, it all depends on how good that tape looks, and if someone could go and get it for us. I have no idea what the plan is, but I know Jerry said he'd only be in Australia until the 8th. However, he also said the stuff would remain there, so someone could go get it regardless...if they worked it out with him, I assume.

Is there any plan by any one of our members Down Under?

And Garrett isn't the be all, end all of this film. I know he was the catalyst that started this thing, but there are other competent people out there to "lead" the movement of awareness of / interest in the film. The word just needs to be spread...
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PThis is probably one the best fanedits I've seen in awhile (outside the SW ons of course).
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The Recobbled Cut (newest version) is about to air on GBStv
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Originally posted by: DaveHolmes
Originally posted by: Arnaud
Two interesting links related to the the Thief :
http://its-a-wrap.blogspot.com/2006/12/ken-harris.html


Notice that Ken is working on animating wolves in the photographs - it looks the the bed scene with YumYum and the Thief.


ocpmovie writes:

" No, it's not the bed scene with Yumyum and the
Thief. There is a lengthy sequence with wolves, sort
of a dream sequence, in the Nasruddin script, so it
could be that. However, in the first picture you can
see a title design on the wall reading "Wolves," which
would, strangely, seem to suggest that Ken is actually
animating some short film about wolves which we've
never seen. My best guess though is that it's wolf
material from Nasruddin."
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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That Ken Harris interview is really interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Since this thread is in a bit of a rut currently, I'll post some great examples of animation that I've found recently.

http://www.pascalblais.com/it_petrov_09.html
http://www.pascalblais.com/it_petrov_08.html
^Aleksandr Petrov, a commercial and a recent short film that'll hopefully win the Oscar

Prince Vladimir (click on the 25,66 Mb link)
Street Musique (the first little bit is live action)
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Originally posted by: Esn
That Ken Harris interview is really interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Since this thread is in a bit of a rut currently, I'll post some great examples of animation that I've found recently.

http://www.pascalblais.com/it_petrov_09.html
http://www.pascalblais.com/it_petrov_08.html
^Aleksandr Petrov, a commercial and a recent short film that'll hopefully win the Oscar

Prince Vladimir (click on the 25,66 Mb link)
Street Musique (the first little bit is live action)


The other night, GBStv aired The Curious Adventures of Mr. Wonderbird. It's a 1952 French animated film that's splendid. The animation is stunning... extremely fluid. A lot of the fluid "pose to pose" movement is reflected in the early Nasrudin clip that ocp posted a while back. While American animation often tended to be more graceful, the European works I've seen (also, Zagreb) have nearly non-stop movement. Sort of really fluid counterparts to the bouncy Max Fleischer classics. Richard Williams seemed to have a more European style to his early work.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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The 1952 version of the film you mention was actually an incomplete film which was released against the will of its director; eventually the director won back the rights to the film and was able to finish it. The final version was released in either 1967 or 1980 - there seems to be some contradictory information...

The film also had a big influence on Hayao Miyazaki. Here's a DVD Review (some interesting comments at the bottom). The film is one of the great classics of European animation, but the French have this nasty, annoying habit of keeping their best films to themselves and not releasing them in the English-speaking world. Hence, there is no actual DVD available of the real version of the film with English subtitles (though there are some cheapie dollar-store DVDs of the 1952 version dubbed with English voices).

By the way, here's another "trailer" from the Prince Vladimir film that was released this February... shame that it's on Youtube and at low quality, but it does show some hints of some really good animation (check out that flying-camera scene 2 minutes in) and show that it's a pretty dark film (much of the audience was dismayed to find that it's not really suitable for children, apparently). This is another one that unfortunately probably won't be released with English subtitles. Even the high-profile European animated films tend to stay in Europe, and often never even leave the country where they were made (especially true of Russia).
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Originally posted by: Esn
The 1952 version of the film you mention was actually an incomplete film which was released against the will of its director; eventually the director won back the rights to the film and was able to finish it. The final version was released in either 1967 or 1980 - there seems to be some contradictory information...
Technically, the film was given back to Grimault in '67 after a court order or something, and throughout the next decade, he and writer Lance Prevert set about to essentially rewriite, re-edit and animate new scenes to complete what was essentially the basic idea Grimault and Prevert wanted all the long before the early 50's takeover. The new film, "Le Roi et l'Oiseau" tends to be a lot different in terms of it's message which wasn't quite as apparent in the 1952 release, and includes a new ending that further complements that concept than what the "Happy Ending" did before.

The film also had a big influence on Hayao Miyazaki. Here's a DVD Review (some interesting comments at the bottom). The film is one of the great classics of European animation, but the French have this nasty, annoying habit of keeping their best films to themselves and not releasing them in the English-speaking world. Hence, there is no actual DVD available of the real version of the film with English subtitles (though there are some cheapie dollar-store DVDs of the 1952 version dubbed with English voices).

Best we can do is fansub perhaps.

Of course Miyazaki has a lot of influences based on previous animated films he has seen before that got him into being an animator at the start.
People and works that influenced Miyazaki

By the way, here's another "trailer" from the Prince Vladimir film that was released this February... shame that it's on Youtube and at low quality, but it does show some hints of some really good animation (check out that flying-camera scene 2 minutes in) and show that it's a pretty dark film (much of the audience was dismayed to find that it's not really suitable for children, apparently). This is another one that unfortunately probably won't be released with English subtitles. Even the high-profile European animated films tend to stay in Europe, and often never even leave the country where they were made (especially true of Russia).

It's rather a sad point about the whole thing I can think of when it comes to the kind of things I wish got seen in the US, but I often blame American distributors for not caring (such as we had seen with Japanese animation in the past). Often you have to resort to go into the Black Market to get these things like the anime fans of the 80's and 90's did (what digisubs of today have replaced the tiresome need to copy VHS tapes to trade with others).

By the way, here's Studio Ghibli's page on Le Roi et l'Oiseau"....
http://www.ghibli.jp/outotori/
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Ok, I know this is all over youtube and google in pixelvision quality, and maybe many of you already have a good version of this, but for the Richard Williams fans who would like "A Christmas Carol" by itself on DVD, I just put up the torrent at demonoid, from my own Anchor Bay 1998 VHS that I just transferred this weekend.

IVTCed to 23.98 fps, with a slight touch of audio clean-up, very slight indeed.

Merry Christmas.
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I'm going to jump in and say thanks. I'll help seed it for a while once I grab it.
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You are most very welcome indeed, and thank you too, good fellow.

Have a merry one.

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Anyone have an invitation code?

FYI, you wouldn't believe how popular my upload of A Christmas Carol is on Google Video!

I originally uploaded it on Nov. 16 and its already recieved 6337 page views and has been downloaded 4436 times!

In comparision, the Recobbled Cut has had 1331 page views and 149 downloads. Looks like a lot of people have a fondness for Richard Williams' take on the story.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Og, I have one for you. Got an email addy? You don't seem to have PM turned on.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
Og, I have one for you. Got an email addy? You don't seem to have PM turned on.


Wow, thanks! It's ctufilms@gmail.com

While I don't know if I can replace it on GV, I can re-upload it on YouTube and put it on GBStv.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
Anyone have an invitation code?

In comparison, the Recobbled Cut has had 1331 page views and 149 downloads. Looks like a lot of people have a fondness for Richard Williams' take on the story.


That and word of mouth has really helped it along too. I'm sure many animation and movie majors have taken a look at this movie too, especially with its long history of production.
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
"you wouldn't believe how popular my upload of A Christmas Carol is on Google Video"

That was a great thing to do, too, it's where I first saw it.

The torrent is also posted at torrentspy.
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ocpmovie's fantastic trailer for the recobbled cut is up: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3118613920320254066&hl=en

PLEASE link this or download the mp4 (iPod/PSP option) to show all your friends... I made sure the A/V quality was top notch for showing off it.

Not really related to "Thief," but very important for viewing is Keepers of the Frame. It's a 70 min. documentary on film restoration and preservation. The documentary is artistically done, but also quite grim... it shows how important it is that we save films for future generations since most in the past didn't have the foresight we do now. We could see the uncut version of Greed if MGM somehow knew people would gladly buy a DVD of it 75 years later.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Did you upload Keepers of the Frame? I'd really like to get a copy of that on DVD if possible.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Did you upload Keepers of the Frame? I'd really like to get a copy of that on DVD if possible.


Yeah! It's from a off-cable VHS tape though, so you're best off just downloading the MP4 (iPod/PSP) file. FYI, here's all the other stuff I've uploaded to Google Video:

I have all six episodes of the Kevin Brownlow/David Gill miniseries on European silent cinema:
Cinema Europe: Where It All Began (intro episode)
Cinema Europe: Art's Promised Land (Scandanavia)
Cinema Europe: The Unchained Camera (Germany)
Cinema Europe: The Music of the Light (France)
Cinema Europe: Opportunity Lost (England)
Cinema Europe: End of an Era (transition to sound/finale)

I'll be uploading the 1980 13-part miniseries on American silents, "Hollywood," in a few weeks once I get access to my library's tapes. Both have been out of print for some time (at least CE was on DVD). I'm in the process of transferring Abel Gance's 1927 silent epic "Napoleon" and a rare 1943 Fox film "Holy Matrimony." I also have...

Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure (directed by Richard Williams)
The Men Who Made the Movies: Alfred Hitchcock (interview intercut with film clips)
AL-TV 2006 (newest "Weird Al" Yankovic TV special)
Three Strikes and You're Out (silly anti-theft training film for clerks)
"Weird Al" Yankovic - White and Nerdy (Live on The Tonight Show)

Don't forget to check my page of "Thief" video links to Google Video
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick