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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker

Be sure to read the torrent comments @demonoid. Some have reported trouble burning it.
I'll seed the tygerbug@thepiratebay one to push you over the top.


I see seven seeders now, so I'm set! Thanks!!

-T

Working on: Superman: Son of Jorel

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hi ocp. i've already have the thief burnt and printed in a box with the rest of my dvds and i wanted to say thanks again
aslo i want to know if your are going to make a torrent about that extra dvd you mentioned about richard williams with all of that extra stuff like i drew roger rabbit and all. thanks!
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There are over 12 extras DVDs now. I don't intend to torrent them ... that'd be too much.

There were three torrents of some of the extras (SOME) in AVI format, but the torrents all died with The Pirate Bay and I never put them back up.
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D'oh, so that's where it went. I got to 99.1% on #3 (the one with Williams' workprint) before it disappeared. Ah well.

The Recobbled DVD is gorgeous, by the way.
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Disappeared from the website maybe, but all four torrents are still active on the tracker.
isoHunt & mininova both still have the .torrent files.
There's nothing to stop a seeder from jumping back on. I did so on the DVD.torrent last night.
I'd seed the others if I had them. It wouldn't take much -- #1 is swarming at 93% and #3 at 99.7%

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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D'oh. I deleted the files. Well, maybe I'll get back on those within the next few days, do some night seeding.
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Dick Williams' classic Oscar-winning animated version of A Christmas Carol. Starring Alistair Sim. Enjoy. Youtubed by Ogg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZ0ParR794



Southern California folk, I will be at Comic Con again this year hanging around. Probably wearing a black Tack t-shirt from cafepress/cobbler one of the days.

I look like this.

http://www.orangecow.org/1pics/headshots/garrettonstepsshotweb.jpg
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howdy folks

amazing edit ocpmovie =], I've watched it through about 5 times so far. I'm an animation student in Ireland and it really lifts my spirits to see films like that where someone tries something new and risky. Dick's original vision for the film may never end up being remebered in the public eye as he had hoped, but I'm certain it will leave a lasting legacy of inspiration in the animation culture around the world and inspire people to try new things. I'm sure this is something dick could be proud of, and is helped in no small part by fans like you =].

thanks for the link to "a christmas carol"

I found a link to "I Drew Roger Rabbit" on the same page :]. Sound is a bit off sync, but still very cool =]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9kI2lbhbU4
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I love this project, and have watched the Recobbled cut countless times. I'm wondering though, will the MARK II edition of the DVD be made available via torrent or will is it available by some other means?
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Dick Williams' classic Oscar-winning animated version of A Christmas Carol. Starring Alistair Sim. Enjoy. Youtubed by Ogg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZ0ParR794
That's so cool!

Noticed someone else had a simular idea, but put up a condensed edition to fit the 10 minute limit, and apparently from a different edition than the one I procured for ocp and Ogg's release. Looks pretty OK color-wise (than the 16mm print I found of this that was beat red). I only wish the VHS tape I had got of this special had a HiFi track as opposed to it's linear channel (and having to be recorded in LP as well). If I had the time and chance to, I would've liked trying to record the audio from my 16mm copy if it was possible to sub that in for the visuals of the tape.

Southern California folk, I will be at Comic Con again this year hanging around. Probably wearing a black Tack t-shirt from cafepress/cobbler one of the days.

I look like this.

http://www.orangecow.org/1pics/headshots/garrettonstepsshotweb.jpg

Wish I could be there!
Yours truly,
Chris Sobieniak

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How is it possible now to upload videos over 10mins long? I wanna put my movie up there when I'm finished with the fine cut, but I'd rather not hack it into sections.

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A quick, fun little quiz for those who've seen the recobbled cut (I think ocpmovie might want to sit this one out, he may find it too easy!)

Which scene contains this frame?

http://www.bloodfalls.org/hosting/Starburst.jpg
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You need a director's account at Youtube. I got one, but they seem to have revoked my over 10 minute privileges or something.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
You need a director's account at Youtube. I got one, but they seem to have revoked my over 10 minute privileges or something.

I must go about getting one of those.

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It's not the least bit difficult. I'm trying to get mine reinstated somehow, I don't get what happened.
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Originally posted by: macronencer
A quick, fun little quiz for those who've seen the recobbled cut (I think ocpmovie might want to sit this one out, he may find it too easy!)

Which scene contains this frame?

http://www.bloodfalls.org/hosting/Starburst.jpg


it's a frame from the explosion when the witch lights the match :]

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it's a frame from the explosion when the witch lights the match :]


It is indeed. Well done! That sequence is very interesting in freeze-frame mode, I must say. I've often wondered how that kind of thing is animated, and it was instructive to look at it.

Actually, I've been freeze-framing quite a lot, and I'm making a list of interesting stuff that I've spotted... and there are quite a few things. One of my favourites is in the war machine, when a piece of wood with a crescent moon cut out of it flies past, closely followed by a roll of toilet paper, still on its spindle

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indeed, it's definitely one of those movies made to be freeze framed :]. god bless dvds
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Originally posted by: macronencer
it's a frame from the explosion when the witch lights the match :]


It is indeed. Well done! That sequence is very interesting in freeze-frame mode, I must say. I've often wondered how that kind of thing is animated, and it was instructive to look at it.

Actually, I've been freeze-framing quite a lot, and I'm making a list of interesting stuff that I've spotted... and there are quite a few things. One of my favourites is in the war machine, when a piece of wood with a crescent moon cut out of it flies past, closely followed by a roll of toilet paper, still on its spindle


While the Thief is taking flight, he rushes over an exit sign. While the Miramax DVD is a little too soft to make out all the text, it has obscene graffiti all over it. When he's leaving the golden statue area (workprint only), you can see billboards for Karma-Kola and 7th Heaven in the background (designed as parodies of Coca-Cola and 7-Up ads).
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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My favorite freeze frame is near the end where we get a closeup of the Thief's flies, and they are all little Thieves. There's no way that would have been seen projected and there was no legit way for an average viewer to freeze it, so it was a little joke for the animator. It's just the attention to detail that is so amazing.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
My favorite freeze frame is near the end where we get a closeup of the Thief's flies, and they are all little Thieves. There's no way that would have been seen projected and there was no legit way for an average viewer to freeze it, so it was a little joke for the animator. It's just the attention to detail that is so amazing.


There are actually two places where you can see this. One is when the Thief flies towards us as two groups of one-eyes collide in mid-air behind him, but there's another, further back in the film, and I can't remember where I found it now, but it's definitely there.
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Major, amazingly rare material has been found ...


About four months ago ...



And just arrived at my door today. Thanks to a certain always-wonderful person for converting it to DVD for me, but boy did you take your sweet time with it. Thanks.


I was knocked out by what I saw - it's amazing to see this material at long last.


The biggest find is a complete scene from the never-finished feature, The Amazing Nasruddin.

This is the movie that eventually became The Thief, but boy, at this stage, it was very very very far indeed from being The Thief. Completely bizarre to see.


The scene is the bread scene, and if you've seen the "Deleted Characters" section of the Recobbled DVD, you'll have seen me narrating this scene.

But now we have it for real. Some of the scene is only there in storyboard form - mostly shots of Nasruddin himself, and of the King of Persia (proto-King Nod). But most of the scene is fully animated and colored in - although we only have it in pan & scan black and white.

The most startling thing is the Grand Vizier Anwar, the character who became Zigzag. He looks completely different in these fully-animated scenes. He also SOUNDS different. The voice is being done by Kenneth Williams, and it has a vaguely Vincent Price quality, but isn't nearly as interesting as Price's take on it.

Price was hired in 1968 or so, so this footage has to predate that. I know most of it was pencil animated in time for the 1966 documentary "The Creative Man," so this dates this footage to 1967 or early 68.

This is from the 1970 documentary "One Pair of Eyes: Dreamwalkers," narrated by Idries Shah. There is an interview with a young Richard Williams talking about Nasrudin.

The scene is slow paced and doesn't work - the character of Nasrudin, who comes off as clever and cheeky in print, hasn't translated to screen because he and all the other characters talk very very very slowly ... the whole thing is very slowly, methodically paced .... they all have odd accents and sound a bit like Kenneth Williams. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he was doing all the voices here, although I'm sure he wasn't ... I suspect Stanley Baxter and others filled in. Certainly Kenneth is doing a bunch of voices though.

The animation is much more limited than in The Thief, but you can see the seeds of its style in the way characters move ... here the characters tend to move and bit and stop, as in limited animation .... kind of odd.

The Grand Vizier does have rings which glow. It's very clear that Richard took this original design and then made him look more like Vincent Price to become Zigzag. (This character does appear in one of the Nasrudin books, as a jerk Grand Vizier type who Nasrudin plays a trick on.)

This VHS was sent to me by Tahir Shah, son of Idries Shah.

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Anyway, that's not all that I got today. I also got a DVD of a PAL VHS tape I once had in my possession, but I sent to a certain someone months ago to have transferred to DVD.

This is a VHS tape sent to me by Roy Naisbitt.


It starts off with the two Clapperboard specials from 1972, which I already have copies of thanks to H.L.

After that, we get a beautiful collection of Richard Williams Studio commercials. This includes a Frosties ad with Tony the Tiger and two Fanta ads with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy. A couple of these ads you'll have seen before, some you won't. The Tic Tac ad is here and so is the Frazetta-inspired "Sex Appeal" cologne ad (Conan type warrior on a rock). There's an ad for Cup O Noodle showing Samurai playing baseball, oh, it's all good stuff.

Annoyingly, the tape teases us occasionally by showing a few frames of some well-known commercial before cutting to something else. It feels like this tape was cut down from a larger collection. Too bad.

An excellent collection, and unlike the last collection, I can verify that these are ALL Williams studio commercials.



Finally, we have the Warner Bros Licensing trailer/showreel for The Thief. From around 1990 I'm sure. For those keeping track, this is the third trailer we've found for The Thief, not counting my own Recobbled trailer.

* Arabian Knight trailer (Miramax)
* Allied Filmmakers "Thief" trailer (Pre-Miramax Calvert Cut)
* This one ...

This trailer contains a few shots that don't appear in the final film. Innnteresting.

One shot is of The Old Witch saying something like "This is a difficult spell to lake." Seems like she should be saying "break," but she says what sounds like "lake." She says the same word in the "Thief Who Never Gave Up" documentary footage, so hm.

She is obviously talking about curing the spell placed on the Ogre Prince, whose entire character was cut out.

Anyway, this shot features an older character design for the Witch. She's seen with this design when examining the Ogre Prince in the Thief Who Never Gave Up documentary. It's drawn slightly more simply, more in line with the old Nasrudin footage. (There is a quick shot of her grabbing her shaking knee in the Calvert WIP which also seems to use this character design.)

It's ALMOST the same design, just a slightly different art style.

But there are two other shots in there that you won't see elsewhere.

First, we've got a test shot of Tack walking. This seems to be the animation from when Zigzag is saying "This lowborn cobbler of no worth ..." early in the film. Tack is shambling around. However, Tack is alone in the shot, placed on a temporary background looking out on The Golden City. A quick test shot then, done probably for this trailer, as this is the only shot of Tack in there. (The only shot of Yumyum in this trailer is also the first "test shot" ever done of her - "Oh rose of the land" as she walks away into shadow".) Clearly, Tack and Yumyum were just starting to be animated at this point, which dates this trailer to 1989 or 1990 or so.

The third shot of note is a shot of a brigand laughing. This shot is in the final film, but this version of it is a bit different. In the 1972 Clapperboard documentaries, you see Dick animating this shot (and probably voicing the brigand himself) ... you see the brigand alone on a background. In the final film, the shot is shorter (the 1972 version shows you more of the brigand before he laughs), the brigand has been redrawn to have much much wider shoulders, and there are brigands all around him.

Well, the version of the shot in this trailer has the much wider shoulders, with brigands all around, but it LOOKS like the 1972 version. It's longer at the beginning, and the extra footage shows that it's more amateurishly drawn than the rest of the film, showing it was done way back when. Basically just a longer version of the final shot though, I think. With brighter lighting or something.

The music for the trailer is mostly Scherezade .... if memory serves they also blare Carmina Burana. They mistakenly credit Dick with creating The Pink Panther ... Friz Freleng will have a few words with Warners about that. (And of all people, Warners should know The Pink Panther.)

The quality isn't all that great. Like this entire tape, the reel has slightly static-y color. The video is too contrasty so you get sickly bright colors. But it's watchable. (Better than my copy of Animating Art anyway.)

There are a few shots in this trailer of The Thief which only appear in the workprint otherwise (the entire bouncing off awnings scene), and the quality is probably slightly better than the Emule workprint, but yet I don't immediately feel like replacing the Emule workprint shots with this. That'll give you an idea of what this looks like.





I will be releasing this clip from Nasruddin on the Recobbled Cut Mark II DVD, in place of my old reconstruction of the same scene.

HOWEVER


I've already burned about 30 copies of the Mark II cut with the old bread scene on there, so sorry guys, I will be sending those copies out first, and only updating the bread scene afterwards.


I don't want to update the cut AGAIN for the mediocre quality clips in this trailer grumble grumble grumble.



I'll be releasing the commercials and Warners trailer on their own disc, but I'll probably remove Clapperboard from it and reauthor it with other stuff, or something.

Anyway, yeah, good news eh.
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Further comments.


As slow as the bread scene is, it looks like something was cut out of it. There are 8 wise men, and 2 of them don't get to talk. There's a cut which looks like it removed 2 of them. I believe some of the deleted footage was actually in the A Creative Man documentary. Hmmmm.

The Thief trailer .... as mediocre as the quality is (the dot crawl is nuts, like it's shot through a screen door), there is no interlacing or pulldown on it. You can literally see every 24fps frame of the video. I guess this is a PAL DVD which is playing a 24 fps film at 25fps. That's pretty impressive.


I didn't realize this was a PAL DVD ..... I'm less likely to be reauthoring it now .... I have some NTSC stuff I haven't put on any Thief disc, but not PAL stuff.

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I've already burned about 30 copies of the Mark II cut with the old bread scene on there, so sorry guys, I will be sending those copies out first, and only updating the bread scene afterwards.


I don't want to update the cut AGAIN for the mediocre quality clips in this trailer grumble grumble grumble.



I'll be releasing the commercials and Warners trailer on their own disc, but I'll probably remove Clapperboard from it and reauthor it with other stuff, or something.

Anyway, yeah, good news eh.


Good news indeed! Must be great to have that bread scene fully animated at last

And I think it's understandable that you don't want to incorporate every bit of new stuff that comes your way - you'd end up working on this for ever.

I don't know whether my disc is destined to include the bread scene, but do you have any plans to make it available to those who don't get it - perhaps a torrent somewhere? It can't be that large...

P.S. I've blogged about this project here, if you're interested (not that my blog has a signifcant audience, but anyway... just trying to spread the word):

http://www.bloglines.com/blog/blumberjack?id=268
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ocpmovie - thanks for the update

Is there any chance you can throw the Warner Bros. Licensing Trailer up on YouTube? Is there enough disc space to include it on the main disc with the other trailers?