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If some kind souls would be willing to seed this on the organ after grabbing it from MEGA, I can get a torrent up some time.

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Where can I obtain the MEGA link? I’d be willing to seed.

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May I ask how does this differ from Team Blu’s The Terminator? It also had a regrade and the original mono track. I already have that so I’m wondering if there are any differences, is there something left to upgrade.

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I’ve never seen Team Blu’s version so I don’t know. Since you have it, just compare it to my screenshots.

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I have replaced the MEGA link with a new link to a smaller, more Blu-ray compatible MKV, now in 8 .rar parts. This MKV is only 29GB rather than 39GB like the original upload, and is fully optimized for Blu-ray. Those who have already PM’d me for the original link have been notified with the new link via PM.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I’ve been working on some updated colors based on frames posted on fanres. Here’s a gallery, feedback will be appreciated:

https://imgur.com/a/xYrIn

These are the images posted on fanres (the top one was my primary reference):

Frames

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I have plans to do an improved V2 of my own Terminator regrade so it’ll be interesting to compare the two releases when they’re both finished.

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Thanks for the interest. What do you think of the new screenshots I posted above?

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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It’s difficult to judge without seeing it in motion. From just the screencaps, the colours seem muted, especially compared to my own Terminator regrade, though that is not necessarily a bad thing. Its certainly a distinctive look but I do like what i’m seeing, I would have to see the whole film in motion with this colour grading to make any further judgement.

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Yeah, this is meant to specifically approximate the look of a 35mm print. More precisely what I believe a print of Terminator looked like based on the evidence I’m aware of. That’s why it has that contrasty, semi-washed out look, with more muted colors than most home video releases have. Your regrades are usually based more around making the Blu-ray more neutral and natural by fixing the odd color biases present on many modern releases, and I just prefer the high contrast 35mm look with a purist approach to color.

I’m interested in what your V2 will turn out like, since I used to watch your first version before starting my own project.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Yeah, I’m the first to admit that recreating the look of theatrical prints is not really my thing, all the scans of film prints i’ve seen have had the colours way too muted for my taste, the Jurassic Park scan comes to mind for instance, I found the colours on that to be too flat and desaturated for my liking.

That said, Terminator is of course a very different film to Jurassic Park and this muted/faded look does fit it better. I like where you’re going with this and look forward to checking out the finished release.

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If you’d like to check out my previous finished version which has less muted colors, just PM me for the MEGA link. It’s 29 GB in 8 rar parts.

I actually used the audio from your release because I had it handy, and I don’t plan on changing anything, so my V2 will also be synced the same

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DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Oh man, those frames look gorgeous! Very nice work!

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Thanks!

Here are some direct comparisons between my new regrade, the 35mm frames, and the BD:

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/Y6LNNN8X

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/1MJNNN8U

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/Y67NNN8X

I need to figure out how to bring the glow back to those lights without ruining the saturation in the rest of the film.

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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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A few issues, but it looks pretty good overall. Can’t wait to see some improvements.

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I did a quick rescan of the Technoir frame as I upgraded my camera. I got the 5D Mark IV a few days ago, but don’t have a Macro lens anymore since it was a Crop lens, so I had to use a Macro extension tube. Not used for quality reference but hopefully the improved sensor shows some improvement colour-wise over my old 60D scan: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bPzPhRPIgFDK3-uyW-2oPaFgZG7ovq-G

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Really like the look of these!

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I’ve been working on some updated colors based on frames posted on fanres. Here’s a gallery, feedback will be appreciated:

https://imgur.com/a/xYrIn

These are the images posted on fanres (the top one was my primary reference):

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Thanks. I’m not a wizard at color correction, and I still can’t figure out how to bring back the colorful glow to lightbulbs.

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DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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@Dek Rollins
Just wanted to say thank you very much for making this regrade available. Since I already have my own copy of the remaster I was able to make use of your .cube file to watch this using mpv (mpv.io) without having to re-encode my remux. Here’s the cmdline if anyone does not have access to the regrade encode but has a remaster version available to them:

mpv.exe --vf=lut3d=file=“luts/terminator.cube”:interp=tetrahedral “C:\Path\To\Terminator.mkv”

I really do feel like you captured the luster of the original film w/ your regrade.

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Dek Rollins said:

Thanks. I’m not a wizard at color correction, and I still can’t figure out how to bring back the colorful glow to lightbulbs.

I think what you have done looks good.

What do you mean glow to Light Bulbs?

Often If I am looking at color and especially Lights are a great thing to observe to get the right look and gain levels… Generally what I tend to do is look at the vector scope. I will put the levels of the High Color level up (gain) or I will reduce the level of the Mid’s gain to make the highlights pop more also. The Bottom levels I generally tend to use a combination of giving a slight bit more level so as you can increase the contrast and looking at your vector scope use the contrast to bring the line back to zero.

Hope that helps.

https://imgur.com/a/xYrIn

Looking at this it seems you need to raise the level gain a bit at the bottom and marry that with contrast but you will see when you do that which color is higher away from zero using the vectorscope.

I regraded your Technoir Frame to try to match the 35mm Print

Settings as follows

Shadows level +114.68%
Color Wheel - 307.01 degrees 5.82%

Middle Level +107.38%
Color Wheel - 264.53 degrees 29.25%

Highlights +139.29%
Color Wheel -105.74 degrees 11.82%

Saturation Master -0.98%
Contrast Master +15.31%

Red Contrast +3.26%
Green Contrast -4.56%
Blue Contrast +12.70%

Red Brightness -2.93%
Red Gain -4.23%
Green Gain -0.65%
Blue Gain -10.42%

Bias
Hue +4.46% (This was the most important as it’s in the wrong Hue)
Scale
Saturation 0.33%
Value 3.91%

This might get you on the right track but it looks like that shot is probably an oddity in the grand scheme of things or the club itself is out of Hue in places.

Interestingly there is a photo on the back of my Hemdale DVD that shows the light in the warehouse at the end has a turquoise or cyan tint in the video it is sort of purple so there might be a case for it being in the wrong hue in numerous parts.

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Here’s an update, still a work in progress:

http://imgbox.com/g/JiLv4FVgDU

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/21MNNN8U

Highlights are too magenta and some other things just need to be worked out, but I wanted to post before going to bed. 😃

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Yeah much better the gain levels are looking much better now.

I posted this over on Fanres as I have been looking at my Old DVD…

A few things I noticed while looking at my original Hemdale DVD of the Terminator. I think the transfer might be out on hue slightly

Some shots are more so in the Wrong Hue -

Dump truck at the beginning first shot after credits
Some shots in Technoir club
Future War Terminator Infiltration
Tunnel Chase with the Bombs
Terminator when he first get’s in the truck at the end

Basically there are various shots and parts littered throughout in the wrong Hue,

On the opening future war sequence 2 shots are placed in the wrong order… It should be Robot Tank flashlight then the Tank Tracks then back to the upper body with Gun Shooting.

When the Cops first try to call Sarah Connor the answer phone is Purpleish. As of this momment much of the correct Color for Gingers apartment and the Technoir Club is strangely missing up until they leave by the back door into the alley. It’s like the film is suddenly not stylized for quite a period of time. The purplish color is completely absent for the night scenes gingers apartment and the club in the transfer and I would also assume further transfers. I think this is an error. The Police station does not carry the purplish grade though that is meant to juxtapose with a different feel. A production still on the back of the hemdale DVD also backs up the outside of the Club should be blue lit and the original Teaser trailer with the concept art whilst inside we have reds pinks purples and blue lights.

Strange Color on Stop Motion Terminator shots.

I found that the film was very desaturated compared to the deleted scenes by about 40-50%

Bearing in Mind that battle at the end A still on the back of the DVD shows a cyan type of light which in parts the Hemdale DVD looks like this but the vast majority of the time it is more purple / blue. I think the Hemdale is correct mostly at the end but where it goes Cyan it is actually meant to be Purple / Blue like the rest of the film. So It seems that the film is shifting about a bit and it would also seem certain shots or parts were treated differently or processed in a different way. So in summary the film is a bit all over the place but stick with the purple / blue and you find it is what comes up on top and the image is good like this it feels intended. The later releases have the warehouse by and large devoid of this blue / purple tint and devoid of the colored light.

Where is the music by Brad Fiedel that features in the final trailer?

Interesting this official music video has the blue tint in the apartment but still not much difference in the technoir club, And various cyan vs purple / blue tints

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBhxizY_TE

This is basically what I got and I think this is correct or along these lines

This was from the Terminator fans
https://www.theterminatorfans.com/multim...reenshots/

Also of note the Terminator eye Surgery scene need extra tint added (cyan) and darkening it’s over bright in the transfer.

Basically it’s a screwed up Master but there is evidence to suggest that certain parts need a little extra help to get it where it needs to be.

So FYI look at doing extra grading separated off from your current Grade especially Gingers apartment and Technoir sequence and the eye surgery scene in particular as these are way off from the master.

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Here’s a little comparison with that music video and a 35mm trailer:

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/J2MJNNNU

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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.