All Region 1 DVDs have the mono, Ronster. 😃
I highly doubt there is a stereo mix around that is not just a double mono. The original film was released in mono and the first time they attempted (I say “attempted” because I consider the results a failure) to create a new mix it was for the DVD release (5.1).
But I’ll be glad to be proven wrong!
You are Right but the DVD being the Special edition DVD…
The original DVD just had a trailer on it and the front cover had some writing in his sun glasses and not the red dot, The front cover was the theatrical poster.
This version had the right sounds in it. And it was also rated 18 not 15. Probably because it still retained the original sound effects and levels you can actually hear the guns being fired.
It was a dark gritty mean sound mix for a dark gritty film. 18 vs 15 version.
Give me the 18 version any day the sort of film you want to watch late at night and get a bit spooked by not an afternoon kids matinee… Sterilized is a good way to describe what has happened to make it fit with T2 a bit more.
I am new here, I was wondering where the download link was to the mono sound of The Terminator, since I live in England you can’t get the mono sound on dvd. You can only get it if you have the laserdisc or the original VHS, I’ve heard that if you have a region 1 copy then you get the mono version, however I live in the UK so I cannot get it. So my main question is were is the download link so I can burn the mono onto my dvd?
I am new here, I was wondering where the download link was to the mono sound of The Terminator, since I live in England you can’t get the mono sound on dvd. You can only get it if you have the laserdisc or the original VHS, I’ve heard that if you have a region 1 copy then you get the mono version, however I live in the UK so I cannot get it. So my main question is were is the download link so I can burn the mono onto my dvd?
I believe theres a link on this threads first page
It says where the downloads are, but there is no link.
We don’t publish links around here, you may want to write a direct message to those who mentioned where the download is for further information
What is zeropc’s email? Or someone else who has the mono soundtrack as a download? Because I want to be able to burn it onto a dvd.
I found this a bit interesting. Heres a few quotes from Van Ling, who was involved in the creation of T1’s 5.1 mix, and also pushed for the mono track to be included on the MGM SE DVD. I guess hes been outvoted on subsequent releases.
" a new sound mix a nice, true 5.1 We even had composer Brad Fiedel come back in and remix his music masters, and MGM hired Gary Rydstrom at Skywalker to do the overall remix on my recommendation. So MGM really put their money where their mouth was on this title."
" Yeah, the movie was mono originally. And there were a number of faux-stereo things out there. In my discussions with Lightstorm and talking with Cameron about it, we would always say that it would be cool to have something in stereo, but only if it was done right;and doing it right require some diligence, because you want to stay true to the mix and stay true to the balance that people have come to expect. But at the same time, you want to broaden the soundtrack a little bit. You don’t want to do something that is totally different because maybe part of the appeal was a way it sounded in mono. And that’s one of the things that was really important and one of the things that led Jim to say, “If you’re going to do it, do it right.” Its not just a matter of panning the mono right and left like some of the earlier faux-stereo mixes. And if I have my way on the disk configuration, MGM will also include the original mono audio as a separate track for the real purists."
Another one from over a year ago where he even says he prefers the mono.
“A tough question, but I think I lean towards the mono just because it was the original. I was the producer of the initial remix done by the great Gary Rydstrom back in 2000, and while I think he did an excellent job, there is something monolithic yet raw about the original mono mix that fits the film. Also, we found out later that there was a glaring omission in the remix, which was the metallic sounds—almost like that of a sword being drawn from a scabbard—of the letters in the title sliding past each other in the main titles. It turned out that the reason they were missing in the remix was that they were not on either the sound effects or the music masters for the film… they were on the dialogue stems for some reason. And those stems had been muted during the remix since there was no dialogue during the main titles! Lame explanation, but true.”
One more from 2011.
“I plead not guilty! I had nothing to do with the release of the Blu-ray version of Terminator – even though the publisher included part of my bonuses off the DVD edition. You may remember, when this disk was released in 2006, there were so many problems with the Blu-ray format (which was not ready and was rushed to avoid HD-DVD taking its place), that the programmers cut the discs down to the bare minimum. I don’t understand why they cut out the bonuses. Probably to save space…. They only used an extract of my documentary. Why not use it all? Well, it’s all in the past, a new HD digital restoration of the film, re-mastered using the original negative has been launched. I will do my utmost to ensure that the original mono mixing is on it, all the old bonuses incorporated and include new ones, such as unseen TV trailers for example or live BD extras. It should also include a bonus tribute to Stan Winston. We were in the process of working on it last year when we had to stop following MGM’s financial problems. So, for the time being the project is mothballed.”
Thanks for posting this. Thankfully there are a blessed few on this site (and a few other sites) that have gone about righting the wrongs from the official studioheads. The mono mix is the only mix for me.
I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.
^This sounds like a mix with more in it…
Thanks for the heads up 😃
Just managed to pick up the old DVD by Hemdale (Independant) Barebones with trailer and original Sound mix.
I am now Happy 😃
actually this is an image of a bootleg release but I got the real snapper case version. check the barcode 😃
^This sounds like a mix with more in it…
Thanks for the heads up 😃
Just managed to pick up the old DVD by Hemdale (Independant) Barebones with trailer and original Sound mix.
I am now Happy 😃
actually this is an image of a bootleg release but I got the real snapper case version. check the barcode 😃
Awesome! I’m pleased to say I still have my Image DVD because I don’t think the mono has ever sounded better on DVD then this release! 😃 One more bit I forgot. On the MGM mono there’s some ‘scuffling’ sounds when the Terminator leaps from the burning truck. This is only faintly heard in the standard mono.
Could you clarify which releases feature the sound mix you are talking about please.
I am interested in knowing what this MGM mono mix comes from. Is it the US special edition?
Yes it is the US Special Edition DVD by MGM although all US DVDs of The Terminator by MGM include the 5.1 mix and the mono.
So what is the verdict then???
Did they edit the mono and insert a few missing foley work sound effects that were never used or is it revisionism?
cool if it was missing foley work…interesting if they did extra foley work on the oringinal mono
My guess it was elements either lost or subtly heard in the standard mono that somehow reintroduced themselves on the mono track included on the MGM DVDs, either by accident or design. If you want a somewhat closer examination I shared two youtube videos below of the police station massacre. First has the standard mono, second has the MGM mono. Both are mostly identical but you hear subtle differences like the sound of the emergency lights coming on when the powers cut.
My guess it was elements either lost or subtly heard in the standard mono that somehow reintroduced themselves on the mono track included on the MGM DVDs, either by accident or design. If you want a somewhat closer examination I shared two youtube videos below of the police station massacre. First has the standard mono, second has the MGM mono. Both are mostly identical but you hear subtle differences like the sound of the emergency lights coming on when the powers cut.
Neither link worked for me.
Neither link worked for me.
That’s weird.
Working Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iDjFsZ2L78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4
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Working Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iDjFsZ2L78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4
Very well to spot difference between this two: The sound of the door hitting the outside part, when the Temrinator leaves the Station to get his car… on the “VHS” Version it seems to be real stereo, coming from the left speaker, and sounding different.
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Another difference between the MGM mono and the standard mono. In the scene where Kyle and Sarah pull into the parking garage, the sound of the tires screeching lasts longer on the MGM mono. It actually doesnt stop until after Kyle starts talking (‘Alright listen. The Terminator’s …’). On the standard mono, the screeching stops before he starts talking.
Ok this needs to be sorted out at some point… A complete version of the sound mix needs to be made and put to the film.
I really also think that some of the deleted scenes should be put in also making an ultimate cut. I know that there are some extended fan edits that I have read about but I think what is needed is one stage further even on what is available.
Here are a few thoughts I have had about “the terminator” for an ultimate special edition.
When the Terminator arrives it should have the burning crater as seen in terminator genisys.
When arnie goes to the edge of of griffith park perk high point we should see his bum (lol) but there is a scene from the trailer of him looking out over the city that was cut and is missing.
Reese arrives in a ball of light reference to the genisys special effects shot.
John Conner kills the terminator that infiltrates the base… Now that could be very difficult but yeah he was meant to save Reese. Damn why they never filmed that!
Improve the model of Arnie with Eye cut out to look real!!!
Yeah general improvements to blue screen shots matte lines.
Use extra effects shots from battle across time (3d ride) in future war scenes of Hunter Killers flying over buildings etc and show Skynet with the gun turrets matte painting
And that is about it with the Most complete sound mix possible. That is my dream
Going to watch it tonight…
Ugh, just when I thought I could finally close the book on this Terminator sound mix ordeal lol. Just went and checked my go-to version of T1 (a certain version someone here made for us mono-mix lovers) and checked the scene in question. It’s the first link.
I’ve also seen clips of T1 where the picture was much brighter. I think it was mostly BTS specials that were showing some of the film. Would love to know the story on that one.
I swear, this whole ordeal is making me wanna do something I did with “Dawn of the Dead” when I was 16. I bought every VHS release off ebay, juss trying to find the differences (Joke’s on me, had I waited 4 years I could’ve gotten all 3 versions in the 4-disc DVD set, lol). Now I wanna buy every VHS version of T1, and heck maybe venture out into laserdisc as well. Heck, lately I’ve been buying a lot of the older “1st run DVDs” of my favorite movies before they were “remastered” (ie: tampered with).
That’s not totally necessary since most if not all VHS’ of T1 use the standard mono as far as I know. The only exception was a few mid to late '80s VHS/Laserdisc releases which had the audio sped up. This was an early attempt at converting the mono track to stereo but the results weren’t that good. This was called the ‘Fake Chase’ mix or something like that. That mix was mentioned some posts ago. However by the early 90s the corrected pitched mono was reinstated and was kept as the default until the 5.1 mix was introduced in 2001. That being said, I’m glad that the mix that was preserved by these guys was the one they used. It’s much more tougher than the mono track given by MGM and I like that some effort was made to make it sound better than just a LD mono track synced to a Bluray.