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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation (Released) — Page 12

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Would really appreciate a link to the LD edited mono track. Thanks so much an advance!

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Can anyone help me get my head around this? Am I right with the following:

So in early 2000s the MGM DVD of this had the mono track but it was deemed slightly different to the Laserdisc version.

In 2006 the Terminator came to Blu-ray (MPEG-2) without the mono tracks and this annoyed people. Was it not a direct sync with the MGM DVD either?

In about 2012 again the film got put out on Blu-Ray but this time it was a MPEG 4 AVC with much higher bitrate. This is the version people want the mono track for?

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I’ve just acquired the Mono audio track from the 1997 Image Entertainment DVD. PM me if interested.

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md3d said:

PsyKovic said:
I have the MGM DVD Track but unsynchronized

Thanks, but looks like I have it too:
Dolby AC3 48000Hz 192kbps (Dual Mono)
I’m looking for the mono version from Image LD.

I have the one from the Image DVD if interested.

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gameinn2 said:

Can anyone help me get my head around this? Am I right with the following:

So in early 2000s the MGM DVD of this had the mono track but it was deemed slightly different to the Laserdisc version.

In 2006 the Terminator came to Blu-ray (MPEG-2) without the mono tracks and this annoyed people. Was it not a direct sync with the MGM DVD either?

In about 2012 again the film got put out on Blu-Ray but this time it was a MPEG 4 AVC with much higher bitrate. This is the version people want the mono track for?

The 2001 MGM DVD utilizes the international mono mix rather than the US one

However, outside of the 1991 laserdisc (which contains the US mix), it sounds the best regarding fidelity, all other mono mastering (including the 1995 and 1997 Image releasee) have noise reduction and sound noticeably worse

Raccoons

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SpacemanDoug said:

gameinn2 said:

Can anyone help me get my head around this? Am I right with the following:

So in early 2000s the MGM DVD of this had the mono track but it was deemed slightly different to the Laserdisc version.

In 2006 the Terminator came to Blu-ray (MPEG-2) without the mono tracks and this annoyed people. Was it not a direct sync with the MGM DVD either?

In about 2012 again the film got put out on Blu-Ray but this time it was a MPEG 4 AVC with much higher bitrate. This is the version people want the mono track for?

The 2001 MGM DVD utilizes the international mono mix rather than the US one

However, outside of the 1991 laserdisc (which contains the US mix), it sounds the best regarding fidelity, all other mono mastering (including the 1995 and 1997 Image releasee) have noise reduction and sound noticeably worse

Is this LD mono still available somewhere? I can’t find it anywhere

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Flexicon9 said:

I used Dark Jedi’s laserdisc rip from the spleen that was posted there by STENDEC.  DJ’s Terminator project continues in the other thread but it’s good that people are making this available incase others need it.

Is it possible to get an ivite to these sites nowadays?

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Very much interested in checking this out, can anyone provide a link, please?

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Only interested if it’s LPCM. FLAC would be weird, maybe.

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uhdfan93 said:

FremenDar8008 said:

Only interested if it’s LPCM. FLAC would be weird, maybe.

FLAC is a container.

No fucking shit. LPCM would be easier if there’s a want to burn the disc again with replacing an audio track or making a custom Blu-ray disc.

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FremenDar8008 said:

uhdfan93 said:

FremenDar8008 said:

Only interested if it’s LPCM. FLAC would be weird, maybe.

FLAC is a container.

No fucking shit. LPCM would be easier if there’s a want to burn the disc again with replacing an audio track or making a custom Blu-ray disc.

Let me say it again… FLAC is a container. Obviously you don’t understand. If it was a zip folder, would that be too “weird” for you too? What about MKV? Too strange for you?

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uhdfan93 said:

FremenDar8008 said:

uhdfan93 said:

FremenDar8008 said:

Only interested if it’s LPCM. FLAC would be weird, maybe.

FLAC is a container.

No fucking shit. LPCM would be easier if there’s a want to burn the disc again with replacing an audio track or making a custom Blu-ray disc.

Let me say it again… FLAC is a container. Obviously you don’t understand. If it was a zip folder, would that be too “weird” for you too? What about MKV? Too strange for you?

Fucking hate people such as yourself on this forum with your head so far up your own ass you prefer reading your own text. Condescending asshat.
You fucking know what I meant.

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Ended up finding the LaserDisc audio elsewhere, but if anyone reading this is still looking for it in DTS-HD MA 2.1 and AAC 2.0 (without LFE), just drop me a message.

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If Rob could share his optical track from his 35mm print. That would be awesome, as no legit home release is perfect. The best I have heard so far is the track Dek used for his superb colour regrade a few years ago.

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MGM recently published this clip on YouTube and I thought it might be of some interest to members here. These clips from The Terminator look very different to the current Blu-Ray master; some good detail but overall looking rather soft, lacking contrast, and with a heavily desaturated colour palette. The black level looks greyish and “milky.” The colour grade lacks the teal emphasis of the 2012 Blu-Ray.

I wonder what elements this was sourced from. It almost looks like a totally ungraded scan from the camera negatives or perhaps an interpositive. The overall look is vaguely reminiscent of some of the early home video masters, but in widescreen HD.

Perhaps this is the raw scan done for a 40th anniversary reissue due next year. If that’s right, I hope a high quality copy of the original theatrical mono soundtrack will be included too. I’d also welcome an isolated soundtrack option for Brad Fiedel’s synthesizer score.

The Milan CD includes the wrong version of Escape from the Police Station, and the mastering for some reason is quite rolled off in the high end. Maybe an attempt to reduce tape hiss, but I think they went a bit overboard in that regard leading to an overly dark tonal balance. It lacks top end sparkle compared to the earlier Edel CD, which I think is better in terms of sonics… but wrong artistically as Fiedel has pointed out. He had no say in the mix done for that CD, and the end result didn’t reflect all the detailed editing he carried out during the postproduction and dubbing process back in 1984 for the film itself.

https://youtu.be/aQaHOqFGrgg?si=UUEqWf9jzMjKQfN8

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David Jay said:

MGM recently published this clip on YouTube and I thought it might be of some interest to members here. These clips from The Terminator look very different to the current Blu-Ray master; some good detail but overall looking rather soft, lacking contrast, and with a heavily desaturated colour palette. The black level looks greyish and “milky.” The colour grade lacks the teal emphasis of the 2012 Blu-Ray.

I wonder what elements this was sourced from. It almost looks like a totally ungraded scan from the camera negatives or perhaps an interpositive. The overall look is vaguely reminiscent of some of the early home video masters, but in widescreen HD.

Perhaps this is the raw scan done for a 40th anniversary reissue due next year. If that’s right, I hope a high quality copy of the original theatrical mono soundtrack will be included too. I’d also welcome an isolated soundtrack option for Brad Fiedel’s synthesizer score.

The Milan CD includes the wrong version of Escape from the Police Station, and the mastering for some reason is quite rolled off in the high end. Maybe an attempt to reduce tape hiss, but I think they went a bit overboard in that regard leading to an overly dark tonal balance. It lacks top end sparkle compared to the earlier Edel CD, which I think is better in terms of sonics… but wrong artistically as Fiedel has pointed out. He had no say in the mix done for that CD, and the end result didn’t reflect all the detailed editing he carried out during the postproduction and dubbing process back in 1984 for the film itself.

https://youtu.be/aQaHOqFGrgg?si=UUEqWf9jzMjKQfN8

That is not what it is at all, that’s very much a very poorly SDR converted version of an HDR grade, I’ve seen the effect before

However that could only mean a 4K master was completed

Raccoons

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SpacemanDoug said:

David Jay said:

MGM recently published this clip on YouTube and I thought it might be of some interest to members here. These clips from The Terminator look very different to the current Blu-Ray master; some good detail but overall looking rather soft, lacking contrast, and with a heavily desaturated colour palette. The black level looks greyish and “milky.” The colour grade lacks the teal emphasis of the 2012 Blu-Ray.

I wonder what elements this was sourced from. It almost looks like a totally ungraded scan from the camera negatives or perhaps an interpositive. The overall look is vaguely reminiscent of some of the early home video masters, but in widescreen HD.

Perhaps this is the raw scan done for a 40th anniversary reissue due next year. If that’s right, I hope a high quality copy of the original theatrical mono soundtrack will be included too. I’d also welcome an isolated soundtrack option for Brad Fiedel’s synthesizer score.

The Milan CD includes the wrong version of Escape from the Police Station, and the mastering for some reason is quite rolled off in the high end. Maybe an attempt to reduce tape hiss, but I think they went a bit overboard in that regard leading to an overly dark tonal balance. It lacks top end sparkle compared to the earlier Edel CD, which I think is better in terms of sonics… but wrong artistically as Fiedel has pointed out. He had no say in the mix done for that CD, and the end result didn’t reflect all the detailed editing he carried out during the postproduction and dubbing process back in 1984 for the film itself.

https://youtu.be/aQaHOqFGrgg?si=UUEqWf9jzMjKQfN8

That is not what it is at all, that’s very much a very poorly SDR converted version of an HDR grade, I’ve seen the effect before

However that could only mean a 4K master was completed

Thanks very much for your insight; I’m surprised that the video was published in such a state, as the overall effect of the botched HDR to SDR conversion is to make the picture so washed out and muddy. But point taken re this indicating the completion of a 4K HDR master. That’s encouraging.

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When Beihn first shoots Arnold, you could hear the original mono shotgun sound effect layered underneath the 5.1 version. I kinda heard it the second time (before Arnold goes through the window). Arnie’s uzi still sounds like the 5.1 mix.

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If anyone has a link to download the laser disc audio or a remuxed video file I can extract the audio from it would be really appreciated.

It seems everything I can find is dead links 😦

Thanks everyone.