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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Originally posted by: battlewars
star trek is starting to seem less gay


I never thought I would actually prefer Trek over Star Wars, but I'm actually just about there.


Is Star Trek really that bad?


I love Star Trek and Star Wars. Trek has been on a decline for some years now, so it isn't what it used to be. But I never would have picked Trek over Wars until recently with all the stuff that's gone wrong with SW.

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Originally posted by: sybeman
Maybe this isn't the group I should admit it to, but I've always gone Star Trek over Star Wars. Star Wars is just three movies. Star Trek is a whole universe. There's some 700+ hours of Star Trek when you figure in all six series and the ten films.


They're both really so different you can't compare the two, but both have their appeals.

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I love Star Trek as much as I love Star Wars. They are in two different universes.

How can someone say that Chocolate cookies are better than fugde Ice Cream? They are two different treats of the same coco. Same with Star Wars and Star Trek.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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I am not a big Trek fan but love Star Wars but have to admit i am getting more into it recently especially the original crew stuff, and i would gladly watch a Star Trek film over the first two Prequels any day of the week and i do love the old series which is better than anything Lucas would come up with TV wise
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Originally posted by: sybeman
Star Wars is just three movies.


What? You'r forgetting the prequels, the novels, the games, the comics, the TV shows.
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Adam, we know where you stand on that, just allow other people to have a different stance. Some people don't believe starwars to be the first three prequels but just the last three. Cut people some slack.
"Who's scruffy-lookin'?" - Han Solo
"I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself." -sybeman
"You know, putting animals in the microwave is not a good idea. I had to learn that one the hard way." -seanwookie
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And I actually have to agree, sw is going south. I think that maybe Lucas wants that. For what reason, I don't know but he may want the saga to die before he does.
"Who's scruffy-lookin'?" - Han Solo
"I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself." -sybeman
"You know, putting animals in the microwave is not a good idea. I had to learn that one the hard way." -seanwookie
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With no more movies coming out, I think this is natural that the series is going downhill. There are still Star Wars comics, books, etc coming out. but most of them are prequel era or the new jedi order era, which isn't my cup of tea. But the good news is that Star Wars seems to be doing better than Star Trek. That francise seems to be much closer to death.
And no, I didn't mean anything as a jab at Trek. I like Trek as well, at least some of it (original series and NG) but with the failure of "Enterprise", the series has very quickly died. Much faster than Star Wars has done.
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
Adam, we know where you stand on that, just allow other people to have a different stance. Some people don't believe starwars to be the first three prequels but just the last three. Cut people some slack.

What I am saying is that you cannot state as fact that the prequels are not part of Star Wars. You can only say it as your opinion.

Originally posted by: Number20
With no more movies coming out, I think this is natural that the series is going downhill. There are still Star Wars comics, books, etc coming out. but most of them are prequel era or the new jedi order era, which isn't my cup of tea. But the good news is that Star Wars seems to be doing better than Star Trek. That francise seems to be much closer to death.
And no, I didn't mean anything as a jab at Trek. I like Trek as well, at least some of it (original series and NG) but with the failure of "Enterprise", the series has very quickly died. Much faster than Star Wars has done.


You can't forget that the live-action and 3D animated series will be coming out as well, which will keep star wars alive. Also, all the films will be rereleased in 3D starting in 2007.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Switch Radic
Adam, we know where you stand on that, just allow other people to have a different stance. Some people don't believe starwars to be the first three prequels but just the last three. Cut people some slack.


What I am saying is that you cannot state as fact that the prequels are not part of Star Wars. You can only say it as our opinion.


To be fair, we all do it even you here and elsewhere have stated things as fact when it comes to things Star Wars even if things are not the case. i think he was just saying that he sees Star Wars as just three films and nothing else if true, we know you love everything Star Wars except Greedo firing but you cant expect everyone who likes Star Wars to be the same as you and love it all
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Some of them seem to take it too seriously and get uptight about all these things. maybe they are fed with some of the bashing that goes on I dont know, but some dont help themselves with the bad attitude they have towards the other fans who dont agree with their views, and who dont like everything Lucas does.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Some of them seem to take it too seriously and get uptight about all these things. maybe they are fed with some of the bashing that goes on I dont know, but some dont help themselves with the bad attitude they have towards the other fans who dont agree with their views, and who dont like everything Lucas does.


Yeah, I get pretty fed up with the bashing. I mean, I can't go to ANY messaage board even remotely related to Star Wars without every topic it seems diverging into either a PT vs OT or "I hate Lucas" thread. I mean, I post at the IMDb frequently, and you should read some of the crap they post there. The Star Wars threads at the IMDb are some of the most unintelligient I have ever read. That's why I tend to post at the 2001 and Blade Runner threads, wherre everyone actually discusses the content and is very serious about everything. On those boards you don't hear crap like "Ridley Scott ruined the film with the DC." or "release the theatrical version on DVD." The posts focus on the film itself, not on everyone's bitching and whining.
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We as a Star Wars community never were at each other's throats BEFORE the onset of the PT. Now we have been divided into a civil war. Those that love the Original Trilogy only, and those that keep the PT on par with the OT.

And of course, I blame Lucas for this little war of ours.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Unfortunately, I can't really blame him for the civil war because it is our choice to argue about it.
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I don't know but SW right now has a vibracy i've never seen before. It's the fan activities. While the corporate SW side of things is catering towards a wide audience to gather cash, that's what they do, the fans are actively setting up a fan distributed tv network, in a sense, here at the OT.com. There are fan films which are often very exciting and move into topics and ideas which LFL will not touch. LFL will hopefully eventually see what's been done here and set up an in-demand tv channel of somekind, at which point the fan community will move onto something else. It's speculation but those Lucas family toys, i would guess weren't Lucas's idea. Sure he authorized them, but that package sounds like a marketing idea. Lucas has usually kept his family life out of the public eye. There are glimpses of some ingenuity in the SW universe coming from the corporate side, some of the figures have been spectacular, finding them is unfortunately very time consuming. There we're some interseting comics, but they've just about burned out their talent base. SW will lull for a year or two until the tv shows, but that's find, you can't have the amount of material produced this year happen every year. Very few can take that much stuff.

On the Trek side of things... http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3472202
"‘Star Trek’ Captains to Team Up?
The trio will reportedly star in the unnamed film that will be set in the 'mirror universe,' which was featured in both the Next Generation and Enterprise TV series.
An insider tells movie gossip website CanMag.com, "Apparently Shatner was in talks to do a guest role on Enterprise, but it didn't work out. The ideas for the episode will now be incorporated into a movie."

...for me ST should remain dead... alternative realities are a sign of no ideas. My Three Captains sounds horrendous.
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Adam-

Since I've been back to the forums and have been catching up with many threads I have read several of your posts and you almost always present very well written and insightful commentary. As with any forum worth its salt there will be many good threads and posters as well as many posters willing to cause trouble just for the sake of causing trouble. You find both here as I know you do at the IMDB boards (as I post there as well). Mostly this is a good crew. Regretfully though the Star Wars universe with the huge amount of products involved (movies, books, toys, etc- they're all product) generates a lot more room for debate. And frankly not everyone is good at debates. So you often get bashing. And most of us who've posted here (or anywhere) just let it roll off our backs. There's also a fine line between 'bashing' and 'sarcasm'. Myself, I dig sarcasm. But knowing there's great opportunity to be misunderstood by others when *writing* sarcastically I at least always try to add in other tricks like 'lol' or smilies so people realize that that no matter how caustic a comment might *read* one can only be serious to a degree when discussing escapist fiction.

But please be open, like other people have posted, to different people's opinions. And many times people don't preface their posts by saying 'in my opinion' or 'IMHO'. We don't have to- that's all we have to offer. Despite some tones here I highly doubt that many Lucasfilm employees or George Lucas himself post here so all information provided should be considered the opinion of the poster and not any sort of definitive word on one subject or another.

So basically just try to ignore the juvenile 'I hate Lucas' posts, keep on target yourself and others will learn from your example. Remember that especially amongst us older poster that hyperbole and sarcasm abound and please just see it like that. No one is truly ignorant to facts such as the 'existence' of the the PT or that Lucas has 'officially' changed the name of the film 'Star Wars' but when you point this out to the posters who write such things you come off as a bit ostentatious which by reading your other posts I don't believe you are.



Now, when ARE they going to release the REAL version of 'Blade Runner' on dvd....
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As an older fan to me it is sad to see the fans at war like this, i assumed it might happen with The Prequels but not at the level it seems to have reached.

But it is sad or should i say happy this is the one of very few places i feel with my taste in Star Wars films i feel totally comfortable posting in, yes IMDB is a joke alot i read is rubbish, but at TFN its just as bad sometimes (except the Bashers Sanctuary which is interesting because they do talk about stuff other than SW as well) ,with people lobbying for changes and then moaning when someone wants the O.O.T, constant arguing, little talk about the films etc and some people who post there you have to love every minute George does unless you are likely to be jumped on by them and grilled, and i do feel that if people can lobby for changes to the movies, people can lobby for the Theatrical Cuts to me it swings both ways as long as both are done within reason....
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Thank you for understanding, greencapt. We all get in arguments like this because we, as fans, have VERY strong opinions.

And Mr. Bungle, I believe the only real difference between the IMDb and TF.N is that TF.N is actually moderated by people.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
And Mr. Bungle, I believe the only real difference between the IMDb and TF.N is that TF.N is actually moderated by people.


I agree, and it is a shame that there is less talk about the films themselves instead of other things....
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
And I actually have to agree, sw is going south. I think that maybe Lucas wants that. For what reason, I don't know but he may want the saga to die before he does.


This theory has popped up in my mind too. I seriously get the impression sometimes that Lucas really doesn't like SW. He is defined, yet trapped by it. ANYTHING he does will be compared to it.

Why he would want it to erode like it has is beyond me.....but, it is just a theory....there is no proof whatsoever.

At C3, I did get the impression that he is a bit uncomfortable with the whole thing. Might have just been being in front of a crowd like that though.

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I agree. I would like to see other stuff from him than Star Wars. He has proved that he can do great things other than Star Wars, as evidenced in THX 1138 and American Graffitti. Personally, I would like to see more productions such as this from him.
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Originally posted by: Number20
With no more movies coming out, I think this is natural that the series is going downhill. There are still Star Wars comics, books, etc coming out. but most of them are prequel era or the new jedi order era, which isn't my cup of tea. But the good news is that Star Wars seems to be doing better than Star Trek. That francise seems to be much closer to death.
And no, I didn't mean anything as a jab at Trek. I like Trek as well, at least some of it (original series and NG) but with the failure of "Enterprise", the series has very quickly died. Much faster than Star Wars has done.


Enterprise was an interesting phenomenon. Some loved it, most hated it. I thought the first two seasons sucked, but S3 was some of the best television of 2004