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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations — Page 20

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Yeah sorry I got carried away.

As for the movie, I’d say it needs at least 300mil more for anyone at LFL to be able to relax.

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NeverarGreat said:

Maybe Spielberg from 20 years ago could do it. I don’t know. With so many attempts, surely someone will figure out the precise formula that works. Since nobody has it all, it will probably be a team effort from writers like Filoni working on the worldbuilding and more film-centric writers being allowed to hone a script/storyboard until it becomes decent in a sort of Pixar development process. After going through an art director with a strong sense of simple, powerful design most directors would be able to make a decent film, but for a great one you’d need a director who could balance swashbuckling action with high romance and a dash of monster movie camp, among other things. These are after all fantasy fairy tales.

The original movies were all great because they were collaborative efforts from people at the top of their game and on the forefront of the craft of moviemaking. Disney needs to replicate that in some form.

Yup. Everyone is obsessing over the particular director at the helm when the magic of the OT was in collaboration. In the ST, we got one director with no real vision at all—mostly nostalgia and mystery boxes—followed by a director whose vision of Star Wars was “not Star Wars”. Now, it sounds like J.J. is doubling down and doing what he does best: using fast edits and fee-fees to distract you from the lack of substance underneath. (Full disclosure: I haven’t seen ROS yet, but I’ve read the review thread and I’m horrified by what I’ve seen.)

Disney had a number of successful models to replicate in creating a modern movie trilogy and I’m surprised how badly they botched it. Such a wasted opportunity that we’ll never have again.

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Maybe I’m old school, but I find it impossible to get too excited about much beyond the Skywalker Saga.

I still frame it the old way: things that have “Episode __” in the title are ‘Star Wars’ proper, and everything else is Expanded Universe and may or may not be steamrolled at any time. That’s remained true in recent years despite official denial. Fight me.

So now that the grande finale of Episode IX has graced us, all there is to do with the rest of time is generate endless amounts of EU material, the equivalent of a mountain of paperback novels despite the form factor or cost to produce.

Worlds serve stories, and once the story is told the world goes away. To set something else in the same world is merely to craft a similar world for a new story.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I’m old school, but I find it impossible to get too excited about much beyond the Skywalker Saga.

I still frame it the old way: things that have “Episode __” in the title are ‘Star Wars’ proper, and everything else is Expanded Universe and may or may not be steamrolled at any time. That’s remained true in recent years despite official denial. Fight me.

So now that the grande finale of Episode IX has graced us, all there is to do with the rest of time is generate endless amounts of EU material, the equivalent of a mountain of paperback novels despite the form factor or cost to produce.

Worlds serve stories, and once the story is told the world goes away. To set something else in the same world is merely to craft a similar world for a new story.

I have no idea how they can make more Star Wars movies. I guess they can tell smaller stories set in the universe and break out of the episode format, which like you said, is the equivalent of cinematic EU. But even then, what can they do? Introduce new villains that are unrelated to the empire or the dark side? It just seems no matter what they do, it won’t feel like Star Wars. It’s not that I want to see them do the same things over and over again, I just feel like Star Wars has a limit on how many movies you can squeeze out of it. They’ve already gone as big as you can possibly go. It’s not even like this is unique to Star Wars. I think it’s only really possible to make two good Terminator movies, for example.

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Looks like Sunday was 1.5mil higher than they intially projected this AM. So $177 mil OW.

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I meant to come back and adjust my numbers but oh well. I have a feeling my WW prediction is too high, honestly.

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Strange that no one is factoring in the fact that a bootleg dropped 2 hours after the midnight screening in the UK has finished. BEFORE most other places even started showing it. Now there have been 3 different bootlegs appear in 3 days. This didn’t happen for TFA or TLJ. It was a week before a bootleg dropped for TLJ. On social media there are posts filled with people saying that they no longer have to pay to go and see it.

And then there is the fact that this one has been released the weekend before Christmas. People are avoiding going out during the day to the cinema because of the Christmas rush. I’ve seen many people saying they can’t go until after Christmas.

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

ANH:REVISITED
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DONATIONS TOWARDS MATERIALS FOR THE REVISITED SAGA

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adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

No, not really. Most people I know found it was the worst SW ever made.

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I was in a store this morning and heard a radio presenter saying that after the weekend the reception has been amazing.

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adywan said:

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become.

Let’s say I can’t believe what the Saga has now become… Powerpoint presentation run by stakeholders. Scripts written by fanboys who go on internet to guess what people wish to see in the new movies. It’s terrible. Not only as Star Wars films: as blockbusters it’s unbelivable to witness such a mess, such lazyness, such an insult. That’s the real trick.

Star Wars used to mean something. It’s now just dumb and weak actions pieces put together and called “a movie”. AOTC has finally found a contender… which wins by KO…

I remember you rankes TFA almost as hight as episodes 4/5, so I would not be surprised if you feel TROS is a great movie. It would make sense in a way. Glad some people enjoy those movies. But, yeah, I hope LFL closes its doors so SW is no longer raped that way.

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I guess this is the one that finally got to me. Maybe I’ll come around, but I naturally would hope the market would reward creativity and in my admittedly petty, kneejerk attitude toward a faceless corporation I would rather have the forces of demand shape things for the better. It’s the only thing that would.

If I’m wrong and most people liked it, then my thoughts won’t matter anyway. I won’t apologize for disliking the movie, and the extent of my nastiness as an individual is to briefly shake my fist before retreating to stew on things and begin to try to understand the movie. I’m hardly an obnoxious YouTuber.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I’m old school, but I find it impossible to get too excited about much beyond the Skywalker Saga.

I still frame it the old way: things that have “Episode __” in the title are ‘Star Wars’ proper, and everything else is Expanded Universe and may or may not be steamrolled at any time. That’s remained true in recent years despite official denial. Fight me.

Maybe something like for the the next trilogy:

STAR WARS
The Old Republic:
Episode I
Episode II
Episode III

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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lol, maybe I’d have done better with this:

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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That’s honestly the best SW poster I’ve ever laid eyes on.

The Rise of Failures

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MalàStrana said:

adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

No, not really. Most people I know found it was the worst SW ever made.

Most people who have left a review on Rotten Tomatoes have liked it. It has 38,000 verified reviews to rank at 86% and more than 90,000 reviews total 78%. So maybe most you know, but not most people. Most people are liking it.

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TROS has remained at exactly 86% audience rating at Rotten Tomatoes despite over 25,000 new reviews and at Metacritic it’s at 50% going up and down over the last few days.

“I smell foul play”

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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adywan said:

Strange that no one is factoring in the fact that a bootleg dropped 2 hours after the midnight screening in the UK has finished. BEFORE most other places even started showing it. Now there have been 3 different bootlegs appear in 3 days. This didn’t happen for TFA or TLJ. It was a week before a bootleg dropped for TLJ. On social media there are posts filled with people saying that they no longer have to pay to go and see it.

And then there is the fact that this one has been released the weekend before Christmas. People are avoiding going out during the day to the cinema because of the Christmas rush. I’ve seen many people saying they can’t go until after Christmas.

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

I hate to point it out to you, but this has happened before. There were many different bootlegs of TLJ within 5 days. And before ROTS was released, a low quality digital copy of the film got leaked (complete except for the end credits). This is normal and not odd in the slightest.

And I don’t know about you, but the people I know have more time to see movies during Christmas (and many people like to finish their Christmas day or whatever holiday they have by seeing a movie). And the release date is only 5 days later than TLJ.

And come now, I’ve been reading the spoiler thread and few have been wishing it to fail. Some predicted it would fail, but for the most part it has just be curiosity as to whether Disney/Lucasfilm/Kennedy/Abrams could pull off a successful end to the saga. I haven’t seen it yet, but I expect (from the spoilers) that I’m really going to love the ending, even if I have issues with the film before that. I do know some vloggers have been hating on it already, but really, critics are horrible judges of new popular movies. If Rotten Tomatoes had existed back in the 70’s, a lot of the ratings would have been much different. A lot of critics hated the original. I really have no explanation for the bad critic ratings of TROS, but the audience reaction has been favorable. The audience score for TLJ is 43% with just over 200,000 ratings (or a little over twice as many as TROS has right now). But the critic rating is 91%. So that film which a large number of OT members don’t like has better critic ratings and worse audience ratings that this new film does. Reactions are not going to be across the board. But I also am not surprised that this site which is heavily OT-centric to not be a bit wary of any new film, especially one claiming to wrap up the saga. Give it time. Just look how the PT is looked at today.

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yotsuya said:

So maybe most you know, but not most people. Most people are liking it.

I trust the people I know more than review aggregates. And I trust myself.

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yotsuya said:

MalàStrana said:

adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

No, not really. Most people I know found it was the worst SW ever made.

Rotten Tomatoes

Really?
I have no opinion of the film, but RT is rubbish. After the past two years it’s had, I’m surprised to hear anybody still trusting it, though I’m sure many do.

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Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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adywan said:

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

Well the Cinemascore is much lower than for any of the other Disney Star Wars films.

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

I’m not wishing for it to fail. But I hope, if it does fail, they learn the right lessons.

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I apologize for my bitter comments about the box office so far. I don’t want to be that guy. I’m honestly surprised to see widespread positivity about this one, and I don’t want to prevent that enjoyment from happening.

Like I said, I’m looking forward to seeing my own perception rebound upward over time, with the group’s help, hopefully.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

I apologize for my bitter comments about the box office so far. I don’t want to be that guy. I’m honestly surprised to see widespread positivity about this one, and I don’t want to prevent that enjoyment from happening.

Like I said, I’m looking forward to seeing my own perception rebound upward over time, with the group’s help, hopefully.

I mean, you’re not wrong. It’s totally lacking in creativity, though I would argue no more than TFA. It’s short on thematic material except for some already well-trodden territory. But it’s so joyful in its schlockier aspects that I couldn’t help but enjoy it.

It’s punctuated with some genuinely touching moments as well.

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