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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant

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Well, the time is here to consider what to do about this film fan editing-wise. There already discussions going on around here, but this will be a place for me to segregate those which I am interested in and consider, hopefully with input from the rest of you, about what shape this project should take. Most of the best ideas have come from this community for TFA and TLJ, and I’m hoping the ongoing discussions will yield similar fruit. I don’t intent to detract from those discussions by creating this thread, but to let this particular project begin to brew.

For the moment, after going to see the film again, here are my thoughts for potential alterations:

***Things needed from others:

Sir Ridley - opening crawl(s)

DominicCobb - two vision scenes, “Ben, come home”, desert extended scene

Poppasketti - two squeaky wheel shots

Jonh - Luke’s island haircut and de-blue, Ben’s ghost

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***Here is a potential crawl:

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by attacking any planetary system that supports their enemy.

As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training, General Leia Organa sends her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate worlds in the name of Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule…

  • Probably extend the opening Mustafar scene with establishing shots provided by several forum members (perhaps establishing shot of TIEs approaching Star Destroyer > Aerial shot of a patterned lava flow with troop carriers flying close to camera > troop carriers landing, troops emerge (moving frame left to right) > distant shot of lava sputtering near trees > first shot of Kylo Ren) ✅

  • Overall color correction (don’t forget to reconnect to proper source first, then exclude or eyeball shots taken from other sources such as trailers)

  • DominicCobb plans to send me a few shots he extended using footage from trailers (all but a few seem tricky with audio and/or video due to lack of audio coverage or needing to blend parts of a shot using different sources; hopefully Dom can share his completed work for the desert scene at least)

  • Add subtle line from Palpatine as Kylo picks up the Wayfinder (“Find me.”) (I made it almost subliminal)✅

  • Possibly use Palpatine’s radio announcement to use as whispers as Kylo finds the Wayfinder and/or during Rey’s vision (Cinefy idea)

  • Use poppasketti’s work to show a batch of Palpatine clone bodies rather than Snokes ✅

  • If going with a ‘Rey Nobody’ approach (and maybe even so), remove the crackling lightning between Palpatine’s fingers. (skenera did it) ✅

  • RogueLeader has an idea to move the idea of Palpatine’s spirit possessing people into his first scene✅

  • Reorder opening scenes ✅

  • Replace Finn’s now first line to R2 with “look sharp”✅

  • Add a Wilhelm somewhere I guess. ✅

  • Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. (In TLJ, it took a capital ship to track through Lightspeed.) (If this is removed, there’s a later line that might need to be removed when Poe expresses unease about a Destroyer not following them through hyperspace.) (FX by Skenera and poppasketti) (Audio transition is in pretty ugly shape right now, will need further work) ✅

  • May remove Klaud if FX can be done, only because he now has no introduction) (poppasketti did it)✅

  • Move Rey’s repeat of “nothing’s impossible” to after Leia hands her the saber, imitating Movies Remastered ✅

  • When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To. (Only Rey-specific flashes first, then Kylo in the later scene. Include Rey turning him down in TLJ.) (Dominic) (Work in Rey audibly hearing the name Exogol)

  • Try again to remove talk of lightspeed skipping (go from “you’re difficult” to “we just landed”, using BB8 shot to pivot) (krausfadr idea)✅

  • Remove Poe’s use of the word ‘random.’ ✅

  • Cut Rey saying “that’s an excellent name.” Names can be complimented for aesthetics but they don’t speak to one’s achievements✅

  • After Ren says “I will find you” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.✅

  • Try using a foreign language dub for the muppet in Lando’s RV (“Okay!”) (Portuguese offers a somewhat milder delivery) ✅

  • Try removing “they fly now”✅

  • Maybe remove Finn having a secret to tell and its other references later✅

  • Remove the TIE exploding ✅

  • At least for a Rey Nobody edit (and probably anyway), use yellow lightning (skenera did it) ✅ (likely won’t be used though)

  • If poppasketti pulls it off, add shot of Ochi’s ship leaving Pasaana before asteroid shot✅

  • Remove Poe’s line that 3PO later repeats, so 3PO’s delivery can have more weight✅

  • Try quieting the music as Rey tells Finn about her vision (sort of)✅

  • Possibly replace Kylo’s line “I never lied to you” with something like “You were right.” (Poppasketti did it) ✅

  • Try muting Zorri’s line about Poe’s brains in the snow.✅

  • Probably delay the Chewie reveal to after Rey senses he’s alive. In its place put Kylo and Palpy’s telepathic phone call ✅

  • Remove line about how R2 backs up 3PO’s memory. It felt like this movie reacted to TLJ’s style by trying very hard to hardly ever let the audience be surprised. ✅

  • Extend the “squeaky wheel” sequence using footage from the bonus disc (audio help from LILLIAN2330, visual FX by poppasketti)

  • I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.” Maybe replace with offer to help negotiate or something as if 3PO were fresh out of the box and ready to do protocol stuff. (Line from Chase Adams) ✅

  • Remove Finn yelling “POE!” ✅

  • maybe remove Rey’s mom saying “she’s not on Jakku, she’s gone.” Like whaaaaaaat?? (I guess this was included to explicitly harmonize with a line from TLJ which was removed from my version anyway) ✅

  • Replace 3PO/trooper dialogue to depict 3PO somewhat out of his element (by RogueLeader)✅

  • Remove single line “You are a Palpatine”)✅

  • Move Ewok snippet to the arrival on the planet, recontextualizing it to be Endor (by snooker and poppasketti)✅

  • Find something to replace 3PO’s line “is everyday like this for you people? Madness.” We get it. Not every sentence from you has to remind us you don’t remember. (Chase did it)✅

  • Experiment with evil whispers guiding Rey to the Wayfinder rather than the Goonies moment ✅

  • Possibly use an instrumental version of portion of Duel of the Fates for the DSII duel (Cinefy suggested using Solo soundtrack when Maul appears)✅

  • Trim away Finn’s last “Rey!” during the duel✅

  • If someone gets it to sound seamless, maybe have Leia say “Ben, come home”

  • work in shot of Leia holding the medal from the trailer (help from sade1212 and idir_hh) ✅

  • Move Rey’s dialogue to before she heals Kylo ✅

  • Extend the establishing shot of Kylo by a few seconds (thanks to Luka Frik and Octorox)✅

  • Maybe remove the destruction of Kijimi and the Resistance’s reaction (helps us imagine the Final Order as an Imperial stockpile since it was the only glimpse into them before the First Order arrive to help, avoids another dumb planet destruction, and generally smooths things over)✅

  • maybe soften sound effect as Luke catches the saber since he’s immaterial ✅

  • Add an additional establishing shot breaking up the Rey on Ahch-to scenes so it doesn’t seem like she only spends a couple minutes on the island (Dominic)✅

  • Have the porg sounds continue for a moment past their only shot✅

  • If jonh, a real impressive guy, pulls it off, shorten Luke’s hair

  • Experiment with removing “Leia knew it too”✅

  • Maybe add R2 and 3PO’s prequel theme during memory restoration scene✅

  • Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might. ✅

  • Remove the subtitle for Nien Nunb’s one line. He was never subtitled in the past and it’s not needed. ✅

  • maybe remove Finn telling BB8 “great job, buddy”✅

  • Replace the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with an Imperial shuttle, because ANH made a point to let us know TIEs don’t have hyperdrives whereas shuttles do (FX by poppasketti)✅

  • Trim the moment when Ben seems to wait for the Knight to hit his saber (David_B idea)✅

  • Add small bit of score from ROTS as Palpatine absorbs the power of Rey and Ben’s friendship (Cinefy idea)✅

  • Add a cacophony of voices people send in as the fleet arrives, including a chorus of “For Skywalker,” during the charge to link their inspiration with Luke (thanks to axlanian for help mixing, and to you all for your submissions)✅

  • Since Kijimi isn’t destroyed, there’s no need for Babu Frik to pop up only to show he’s alive✅

  • Use jonh’s incredible VFX work (and some sequencing from DarthYcey) to depict the spirits of Luke, Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan standing behind and assisting Rey✅

  • Add Leia saying “always” from the trailer. (Even if her corporeal form has not yet vanished to become one with the Force, it can be head-cannoned easily enough to be worth it because she is heard and not seen.)✅

  • Use the Endor scene earlier, then replace it with Coruscant here. We’d get one planet for each trilogy. Star destroyers come raining down over Coruscant, Cloud City, and Jakku. (It would be amazing to also replace Jakku with Kijimi.) (poppasketti did it)✅

  • Use more of jonh’s incredible VFX work to show a redeemed Ben Solo alongside his mother and uncle smiling approvingly to Rey

  • Possibly add a subtle double rainbow to the establishing shot of the Lars homestead. (It sort of harkens back to Leia’s initial infantile destination of Alderaan, and could just be a cool thing to add after the OT.com community brainstormed it up.) (poppasketti did it)✅

  • May use snooker’s idea to move the chess game to Rey landing on Tatooine. If so, the iceberg sequence will begin with the Falcon exiting hyperspace with FX from poppasketti ✅

  • The community has pioneered several cool things for the final scene. Use a processed alternate angle and delivery of the final line (thanks to poppasketti), replace final shot with Falcon taking off and jumping to lightspeed (snooker and poppasketti), and use Rey’s theme interposed with the Force/Luke theme from the end of TFA’s end credits (poppasketti and snooker did falcon FX)✅

  • Add fade to black to very end of credits. ✅

  • If someone recolors Leia’s saber to be purple, I’ll use it. Carrie Fischer said she’d like to have a purple blade if her character had one. ✅

  • Once they’re ready, use a couple lines for the Knights of Ren from axlanian and krausfadr

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I like your edit ideas! A lot of them are similar to my initial thoughts.

Regarding how to tie the civilian fleet to Luke’s sacrifice, maybe someone over the comms could say, “For Skywalker!” I believe someone may have made this suggestion earlier.

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Not a bad idea at all. Going from memory, it’d probably need to be a small chorus of comm chatter. Maybe there’s enough “Skywalker” lines from video games and whatnot to use or to blend into it.

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Would you consider an alternate ending where Ben lives?

It seems the scene was edited in reshoots and this YouTuber seems to have pieced together the original scene. Link

I’m just not sure how to encorporate Ben in the Finale. Maybe remove the Rey Skywalker scene and add Ben in the last scene with Rey.

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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I think if he keeps Rey Palpatine, he should also keep Ben dying. Although I do want to see an edit that changes both, I can appreciate wanting to make an edit that ends in the same place as the theatrical version.

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If we are given an alternate ending deleted scene then maybe, but I don’t imagine it being totally satisfying to contrive one based on just what’s in the movie.

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I really enjoyed the ROS, but surely a few nips and tucks would help it.

I like what I’m seeing here so far, especially the idea of tweaking the crawl to let the film introduce Palpatine.

Definitely get rid of “light speed skipping” if possible, that took me right out of the movie (or at least get rid of the Tie-fighters keeping up).

The only other thing I can think to suggest is regarding that cone-head droid. There’s a thread in the film about ‘not under-estimating droids’. It seemed like they were building up to have that cone-head do something awesome, but there was never a pay-off. If there is a way to snip that out cleanly, I think it would improve things.

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Well, it was part of the Leia mad-libs they kind of had to play. Rey calling back to the line during the desert chase is good enough for me.

The biggest thing that would help the movie is breathing room sprinkled throughout, but that’s not likely something we can much help.

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Reading your initial post was a breath of fresh air haha. I definitely agree with all those points, but I really really hate Rey being a Palpatine. Luke’s sacrifice would pay off with the fleet changes, if possible. But Rey being a Palpatine obliterates the entire theme in TLJ that anyone can be special, it doesn’t matter who you’re related to or where you come from. So much of the movie relies on this plot point though that I’m unsure how such a thing would be done.

It’s unfortunate that as you just said, the movie really needs more breathing room, in particularly when landing setup/payoff combos like the droid line. Same thing with Chewie, there’s barely any time to accept or process the setup and then POOF the payoff shows up almost immediately.

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I’m far from resolved against removing Rey Palpatine.

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Good luck with your edit, Hal. This one will likely require all the skills you’ve developed over the years. It might be the kobayashi maru of fanediting. I’ll stick with ROTJ ending for my headcanon, but I respect your dedication to making the I-IX storytelling less choppy.

Side note: it seems you’re gonna reedit Episodes 7 and 8 to accommodate Episode 9… “boldness” (I’m trying to say it kindly). What about adding in Episode 6 a line to Palpy when Anakin throws him into the vent, such as “I’ll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackk you fools…”.

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If you don’t have anything constructive to say…

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Here is another potential crawl:

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker has ignited
a resurgence of hope in
the galaxy. Countless worlds
have risen up against the
diabolical FIRST ORDER.

REY, the last hope of the
Jedi, continues her training
under General Leia Organa,
hopeful that she will find
a way to commune with
Jedi of the past.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader
KYLO REN seeks out the source
of his former master’s power,
determined to destroy any
threat to his rule. . . .

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

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Thank the maker. I’m all in to this. Let me know if you want some assistance with this. I can work character removals in scenes and any time code Disney puts in the frame? I got to think with all the reshoots there got to be Additional footage out there.

Been a while for me but this movie requires fixing.

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Well, the time is here to consider what to do about this film fan editing-wise. There already discussions going on around here, but this will be a place for me to segregate those which I am interested in and consider, hopefully with input from the rest of you, about what shape this project should take. Most of the best ideas have come from this community for TFA and TLJ, and I’m hoping the ongoing discussions will yield similar fruit. I don’t intent to detract from those discussions by creating this thread, but to let this particular project begin to brew.

For the moment, after going to see the film again, here are my thoughts for potential alterations:

  • Opening crawl to remove Leia recon mission and direct mentions of Palpatine. Rather, Kylo Ren is tracking the source of Snoke’s power or something. We still find Palpatine right away, but in the body of the movie rather than in the crawl. It’s also be nice to mention Luke’s inspirational sacrifice to attempt to tie the massive civilian fleet into the theme of TLJ.

Here is a potential crawl, based on one drafted by DZ-330:

“Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker has ignited a resurgence of hope in the galaxy. The populace of countless worlds have risen up against the diabolical First Order.

Rey, the last hope of the Jedi, continues her training under General Leia Organa, hoping to commune with Jedi of the past.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, determined to destroy any threat to his rule, seeks the source of his former master’s power…”

  • Potenrially space out the triple-voice line to sound more like the trailer for dramatic effect.

  • Potentially remove the visual of Snokes in a liquid chamber, maybe replacing them with something else, maybe even other Palpatine bodies. Since the movie isn’t going to give a solid account of what happened in any event, the mere line “I made Snoke” could be interpreted figuratively.

  • If deleted scene is available and suitable, add evil Palpatine broadcast as he lifts the fleet. Hopefully it makes it clear that it’s a broadcast, so later scenes still feel right as they allude to characters already having some idea of what’s up.

  • Add a Wilhelm somewhere I guess.

  • I’d like to remove the 16 hour ticking clock. Only problem I can tell is that Rey seems in an awful hurry to get to the DSII wreckage. It does seem to offer some explanation for the constant frenetic hurry everyone is in, so I’m not sure it’d work to remove it.

  • Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. Or let them jump and we just cut to the next scene. If the former, remove reference to light speed skipping later. However, this would cause a problem as Finn only has one other thing he notices Poe do before referencing all the “shady stuff” he does. (In TLJ, it took a capital ship to track through Lightspeed.) (If this is removed, there’s a later line that might need to be removed when Poe expresses unease about a Destroyer not following them through hyperspace.)

  • When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To.

  • Remove line about how R2 backs up 3PO’s memory. It felt like this movie reacted to TLJ’s style by trying very hard to hardly ever let the audience be surprised.

  • I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.” Maybe replace with offer to help negotiate or something as if 3PO were fresh out of the box and ready to do protocol stuff.

  • Possibly remove the destruction of the planet, and the idea that the fleet each has a ‘gun that shoots Death Stars.’

  • Seemed weird to me that once he turns to the Light Side, Kylo doesn’t take advantage of his role as supreme leader. Research of mine indicates that the emperor sensed this and put General Pryde in charge at that point. If a deleted scene is presented to this effect it would be welcome. The existing scene doesn’t make this clear.

  • Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might.

  • If there’s any other good way to link the massive civilian fleet with Luke’s ‘spark of hope,’ I’d do it.

  • New music to transition into the credits, either here or in TFA.

  • I think one could successfully remove ‘Rey Palpatine,’ but it would be unusual for me to deviate from the lore to that degree. I don’t like it, but I think I’d be better off accepting it and maybe tweaking TFA and TLJ to fit in better. I expect I’ll play around with executing this idea, at least.

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“When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To.”

When I saw the last Jedi, I thought it was just awful (and just downright unbelievable) that Luke has a moment of weakness and seeks to kill Ben out of fear.

If Luke learned anything from his duel on Bespin, it was Yoda’s warning after losing that hand!

“DONT fly off on a tear because you have a force vision!”

Given the footage in TROS I wondered if it would be possible to insinuate that Luke, Han, and Leia actually hid the fact that Vader was Ben’s grandfather, and this secret being revealed to Ben is what ultimately turns him into Kylo.

Ghosts in the closet have a way of coming back to haunt? Its like a parallel of “the dead speak.”

(as Anakin’s saber called to Rey,) Vader’s mask called to Kylo? To me, this would help both TLJ and TROS.

Since Vader was basically the face of Evil, brute force, and intimidation in the old Empire, our heroes could be forgiven for not telling Ben. This could also retroactively show Rey not to trust what she saw in the dark side hole on Ach to.

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This thread came sooner than I expected! Excellent…

In response to your original post:

  • I don’t mind the 16 hour ticking clock. Like you said, it explains the hurry everyone seems to be in.
  • Removing lightspeed skipping seems like a difficult thing to pull off since there’s a whole exchange between Rey/Poe/Finn/Chewy/BB-8 where it is featured quite heavily. But removing it could possibly help with pacing.

I’ve had a chance to watch the movie three times now and have a few of my own thoughts:

  • Potentially remove Chewy receiving his medal from Maz
  • Remove Lando and Jannah’s useless interaction at the end of the film
  • John William’s cameo on Kijimi felt a little off - not sure if removing it would help with pacing
  • I wonder if it would be possible to postpone the reveal of Chewy actually being alive. We think he’s dead for like 3 seconds and seems kinda lame.
  • On that note, this movie is FULL of fake out deaths: Chewy, 3PO (kinda), Kylo, and finally Rey. I think showing Chewy being alive could be delayed a little and something could be done re: 3PO. You could absolutely remove the line about R2 backing up 3PO’s memory, but I also think that you could leave that line intact and instead remove the whole “taking one last look at my friends” line. It could turn into a whole Spanish Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story 3 situation where 3PO is reset and we have goofy interactions with him not knowing anything, but in the end we know that R2 will be able to fix everything.
  • The shot where Poe, Finn, and Chewy get captured on Kylo’s destroyer could be trimmed at the very end. When they’re being told to drop their weapons, it feels a little awkward.
  • When Rey and Kylo talk on Kylo’s destroyer, keep “you’re his granddaughter” but remove “you are a Palpatine”. Might make the moment feels a little less ridiculous.

And finally, a couple thoughts about how this could impact your edits of TFA and TLJ:

  • Bring back Han shooting without looking in TFA. Kylo does it against the KoR in ROS and is a cute father/son parallel
  • Include some porg sounds on Ach-To when Rey arrives in TFA (I know you didn’t like this the first time I suggested it but here’s one final attempt to change your mind)
  • In TLJ, Snoke says he bridged Kylo and Rey’s minds. Is this still the case? Or is their connection a result of the force dyad. Don’t know if changes could/should be made to clarify this.
  • Can’t remember if you’ve done this already, but removing Kylo’s line to Rey in TLJ about her parents selling her for drinking money. That’s very clearly not the case anymore.

Shit, this is getting long. Sorry! One last thought about Rey Palpatine: Her lineage doesn’t bother me. TLJ implies that where you come from doesn’t make you any more or less important and ROS kind of continues that thought process but just from a different perspective. Different side of the same coin kinda situation. You can be something if you come from nothing, and can be good despite coming from evil. It’s not amazing, but I think it is better to keep rather than mess too much with the narrative.

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That’s one thing I forgot to list: I’d like to work in the shot from the trailer of Leia holding the medal. You see her holding it as she lays down, but it’s not focused on. It ties into Ben’s memory of Han and with Chewie receiving it later on.

We’ll have to see how it flows to cut out the short scene in which we learn Chewie is alive, because it breaks up the rest of the characters in hyperspace. I’m for it, if it’ll work.

Trimming the company getting caught might be good, I can’t tell from just my head.

I’m still not a fan of Hon firing his blaster without looking, because in this universe that should be something only a force user would do. however, given the callback in this movie, I’ll think about it.

Even within TLJ, Rey and Kylo Ren are shown to have a force connection after the death of Snoke. So I don’t think anything about episode nine undoes that at all.

The line about her parents being buried in the desert will remain cut out, but Kylo says what he does about Rey being sold for drinking money because he saw what was in Rey’s mind. If she didn’t know, how could he?

I don’t think the scene at the end of TFA would benefit from porg sounds, but who knows, I may as well play with the idea.

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And thanks for offers so far to help. We’ll see what would be helpful to have and I’ll air any such requests here.

I intend for this project to be fairly grounded and realistic in the interest of actually completing it and making it into something that can exist and be viewed.

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Regarding Han shooting without looking, I played with a version where after he made the shot, he looked at the dead trooper and said, “Huh”, like he actually was surprised he managed to do it.

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@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

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Regarding Han shooting without looking, I played with a version where after he made the shot, he looked at the dead trooper and said, “Huh”, like he actually was surprised he managed to do it.

I’ve never liked the Han not-looking shot, but the Ben call-back makes me feel like I need to include it. I like this solution.

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Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

My guess is simply that the voices are not Force ghosts. We never see Luke have to struggle to speak with Ben or Yoda. Rey’s attempting to commune with those who have become one with the Force, whether they’ve achieved “immortality” or not.

I will say, I don’t like including this in the crawl. The crawl is an opportunity to include information not in the film itself and frame the story in the way you choose. When we meet Rey, we learn she’s trying to contact the past Jedi (so putting it in the crawl is redundant and a missed opportunity). But why is she trying to contact them? The why is what should be in the crawl.

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Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.