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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 7

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Have you ever thought about trimming up the sequence where Ben and Rey reunite after defeating Palpatine to remove the implication that Rey died. To me, there are many things in this movie where we explore what the Force can do, but resurrecting someone from the dead is kind of pushing it a little too far. It also wouldn’t be the power to cheat death as Palpatine told Anakin, since the person would have to be alive for them to be protected from dying.

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Proud to be part of the effort. Heck, this is the Project for which we’ve all been preparing ourselves for years without realizing it. Years of armchair debates and fan editing projects, culminating in a Grand Attempt to fix this movie haha.

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Yeah, I guess I saw that moment as her being totally drained of her power and dying, but perhaps not fully dead yet. To me it was a heal, rather than a full resurrection.

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Hal 9000 said:

Schemedrick PM’d me an interesting idea about how to restructure Leia reaching out to Ben, in text format. It’s essentially this:

Rey and Kylo are fighting on the DSII.
Leia is shown in silhouette, calling out to Ben.
Ben appears distracted (using shot from right before Han appears).
Leia lays down, holding Han’d medal.
Kylo hears Han address him; “Hey, kid.”
Their conversation plays out, removing direct mention of Leia being gone, right up until Han says “I know.”
Back into reality, Kylo drops his saber. Rey impales him, heals him, and leaves.

It’s a very interesting approach, highlighting the imagery of death and rebirth. In this ordering, Kylo makes his resolution first and is then baptized by Rey in a way. And it’s directly tied in with Leia, making that feel clearer.
I’m not sure it makes good story sense, though, for Ben to be reborn and Rey to immediately flee into self-exile. But it’s something to think about.

This is similar to what I tried to describe in my earlier post. Whilst I think Leia projecting a memory of Han at Kylo is definitely clunky it at least shows what she is doing which ultimately causes her death.

Reading the posts on the few threads here, there were several different opinions on how this played out within the first week or so. Even if the scene is less than ideal, I do think it strengthens the film as a whole to at least make it clear what Leia does which causes her death other than simply ‘reaching out to Ben’.

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“Hello there”

I’ve been lurking once again and will be happy to contribute thoughts and ideas and experimentation once the movie is out … I am certainly hoping for some decent deleted scenes to play with.

Anyway, for the current topic about moving the things around for the Leia and Han thing, I like the idea … it would be neat to see and would add a “better” reasoning for Leia’s death, something more than just communication with him since in all the movies that seems to be the “easiest” thing for force users to do with little effort. (Granted, I know the crew had to do something since the passing of Fischer … so you gotta work with what you got!)

The technical issue will be Ben’s face. When Rey heals Ben/Kylo from the lightsaber wound his scar is healed away. The Han and Ben conversation has his healed face … so it would be a lot of work to add the scar back in doing all those scenes.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Fair enough, so would the scene of him throwing the lightsaber be part of that sequence or shown after Rey leaves you think?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Or cut entirely?

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Need the lightsaber toss though, not only is it necessary to show why Ben does not have a lightsaber when he visits Palp Tower … but it’s symbolic as heck.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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jarbear said:

Need the lightsaber toss though, not only is it necessary to show why Ben does not have a lightsaber when he visits Palp Tower … but it’s symbolic as heck.

It will also be important in Episode XIII when Kylan Gebo finds and uses this saber to become the master of the Knighted Confederacy of Ren.

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In this idea, we cut from a shot or two after Han says “I know” to Kylo dropping his saber. (What was originally in response to initially sensing Leia’s death.)

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I didn’t know that Rey also healed his scar until someone pointed it out.

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Hey Hal! I love your TFA and TLJ edits, and I’m looking forward to seeing what you do with TROS. I think “Rey Palpatine” should stay. It explains her powers with little training, and it’s a good twist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slsj4YeYaYQ I like this video someone made of Palpatine’s broadcast. Could you make a more polished, HD, widescreen version of it? It would be a good way to start the movie, then show Kylo on Mustafar, as that is supposed to be after the broadcast. Or put this at the end of TLJ. Either way, I believe a cleaner version of this would add a lot.

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One thing about the broadcast that doesn’t make sense to me is if he sent this out to the whole galaxy then why are the Resistance surprised when Boolio gives them the information that he is alive? Shouldn’t they already know this because of the broadcast?

It’s not probably possible but maybe change the reason then went to Boolio is they were trying to confirm what they suspected?

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No matter what the crawl has to change. The resistance only “knew” about Palp being back is from the “Mole’s” intel. If there was some broadcast PRIOR to that scene as the crawl says … then why was everyone so surprised like that? If anything, it was just a confirmation of news EVERYONE heard.

The scene played out like it was the first time anyone heard about it and surprised to hear Palps is alive. It was very strange and confusing … it didn’t make sense.

It has to go. There is no reason for it and the movie itself contradicts that not too far from the begining. It would be like a movie opens up with a voice over saying “President Bob of the Happy Toy’s company has been killed and everyone is in mourning” and the movie shows the president giving a speech to his employees and they are cheering.

What the heck?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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It’d be nice to imply some sort of surprise from Kylo in reaction to hearing Palpatine’s voice for the first time, if indeed he is just tracking some series of things from Snoke.

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In regards to that. Here’s a wild idea I just had about creating those kinds of reaction shots whole cloth. Using the DeepFake algorithm.

Say you need a surprised reaction shot from Kylo but there isn’t one to use. But you do have a shot that would work but it’s the wrong expression on his face. What if you were to take this shot, film yourself or someone else making the expression you want for Kylo. While making sure to match the angle of your/their face to that of Kylo in the shot you want to use. Use the DeepFake algorithm to generate Kylo making that expression and then compositing that back over his face in the original shot.

It would be pretty labor intensive but I think it could be done if someone really wanted a shot that badly.

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I have some experience with creating Deepfakes and would be able to give this a shot if someone had a good idea. I’ve been experimenting with deepfaking the real faces onto the Battlefront 2 models to potentially animate entirely new ghostly elements to be composited in… Bare in mind the technology does not work well for closeups since even the most powerful GPUs currently available struggle to render the faces at above 256x256 resolution and rely on some kind of post-process superresolution to look better. Personally I painstakingly feed frames into the facial upscaling app Remini 30 at a time. It holds up sometimes, at certain angles and expressions, for a fairly distant face. Getting the eyes to look in the desired directions is always a struggle.

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If Deepfakes were easy to do, which they’re not, I think it’d be fun to try them on as many continuity variables as possible. Make Hayden look like Shaw and vice versa, etc.

One thing I’ve wondered about Deepfakes… is it possible to apply them at 50% so that someone looks halfway between themselves and someone else, or is it all or nothing?

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You could certainly create an effect like that manually using the usual face morph software and techniques on each individual frame but it might start becoming a little tedious if there was no way to automate it. You could also just composite the fake at a lower opacity but obviously that just leaves you with two half transparent faces in the same place unless they were very similar to begin with. And yeah, it takes me about a week to train one up to a decent quality, and that’s assuming there’s plenty of source material of the new face to feed in, which probably isn’t the case for young Shaw since he was ROTS Anakin’s age in about 1930.