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Anyone know this?

In FCP7, if you use the blade to cut a clip, there will appear two red arrows to let you know that the clips are aligned despite the cut.

Does anything correspond to this in FCPX? When I make a cut, there doesn’t seem to be any visual distinction between any two clips I could just smash together.

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Hal 9000 said:

Anyone know this?

In FCP7, if you use the blade to cut a clip, there will appear two red arrows to let you know that the clips are aligned despite the cut.

Does anything correspond to this in FCPX? When I make a cut, there doesn’t seem to be any visual distinction between any two clips I could just smash together.

Should look like a dotted vertical line. It’s been awhile since I’ve used FCPX though.

I highly recommend using Adobe Premiere Pro or Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve, as both function much more similarly to FCP7.

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I second the Premiere recommendation, from what I remember of working with FCP7 in film school ten years ago (Jesus…), Premiere functioned very similarly.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I second the Premiere recommendation, from what I remember of working with FCP7 in film school ten years ago (Jesus…), Premiere functioned very similarly.

Literally the same developers, they moved from Apple to Adobe.

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Thanks! Well, I’ll hopefully have a chance at some point to work on something just to test it out. I don’t want to pay for a subscription to software, and DaVinci has a free option, so maybe I’ll try that one. I assume it’ll let me export good master files to toss over to Compressor.

While waiting for the new computer stuff to arrive, I’ve been just playing some with FCPX by recreating some audio work I already have done before. The 2011 machine appears to work fine once booted up, but hopefully you’re not in a hurry if it does get shut down.

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Hal 9000 said:

Thanks! Well, I’ll hopefully have a chance at some point to work on something just to test it out. I don’t want to pay for a subscription to software, and DaVinci has a free option, so maybe I’ll try that one. I assume it’ll let me export good master files to toss over to Compressor.

While waiting for the new computer stuff to arrive, I’ve been just playing some with FCPX by recreating some audio work I already have done before. The 2011 machine appears to work fine once booted up, but hopefully you’re not in a hurry if it does get shut down.

DaVinci has its own powerful exporting, though it’s built into the same app. The free version of DaVinci is only missing advanced color correction tools, but even the free version has more color correction ability than any normal NLE (as that was the original core function of the app).

Premiere Pro has an analogous app to Compressor called Media Encoder. Premiere Pro has better color correction abilities than FCP (7 or X), and though not as powerful as Reaolve it’s much easier to use.

Avid also has a free version, called Avid Media Composer First

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I dunno how much has changed in the last decade, but Avid is an entirely different sort of beast as far as the way it expects you to set up your workflow goes. I find it works great if you’re the initial editor and are working from all the raw footage, but it’s difficult to work with from a fan editing perspective; Premiere and FCP are much more fanedit-friendly IMO.

I haven’t tried DaVinci though, so I can’t offer any advice on that one.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I dunno how much has changed in the last decade, but Avid is an entirely different sort of beast as far as the way it expects you to set up your workflow goes. I find it works great if you’re the initial editor and are working from all the raw footage, but it’s difficult to work with from a fan editing perspective; Premiere and FCP are much more fanedit-friendly IMO.

I haven’t tried DaVinci though, so I can’t offer any advice on that one.

Avid is a pain, but it’s also the real deal. There are some under the hood aspects that it will always have an advantage with, but yeah… the others will be easier to use and better suited overal. The free version is designed to be quite a bit easier to use, though the media management aspects are likely to annoy people used to FCP7.

Resolve has some finicky media organisation in the app, and project files moving from machine to machine can be messy, but the editing functionality is very similar to Premiere and FCP7.

FCPX is still effectively in beta. They completely reinvented what they wanted an NLE to be, but there are still so many things it cannot do, not due to a lack of power but rather a lacking GUI. It also is more difficult to be as precise as quickly, due to the shared monitor and tracking with mouse hovers.

I’m an editor, I have used all of them many times for differing projects. Premiere is my favourite, but I use Avid most for work. The more media you have to handle, and the more you work with others, the better Avid is.

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Oh, don’t get me wrong, Avid is an amazingly powerful program and I fully understand why it’s the industry standard. Like I said, I feel it’s ideal when you’ve got the original, raw footage to start with, but it’s cumbersome at best when trying to use it for fan-editing purposes.

But I also haven’t touched Avid (or Final Cut) in almost 10 years (since I lost any interest in pursuing an actual post-production career…wish I’d figured that out before I got a full 4-year bachelor’s degree in it), so I couldn’t tell you how much either program has changed. Last time I touched Final Cut was when FCPX was first introduced and both myself and everyone else I knew absolutely HATED it and jumped ship for Premiere pretty much immediately.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Oh, don’t get me wrong, Avid is an amazingly powerful program and I fully understand why it’s the industry standard. Like I said, I feel it’s ideal when you’ve got the original, raw footage to start with, but it’s cumbersome at best when trying to use it for fan-editing purposes.

But I also haven’t touched Avid (or Final Cut) in almost 10 years (since I lost any interest in pursuing an actual post-production career…wish I’d figured that out before I got a full 4-year bachelor’s degree in it), so I couldn’t tell you how much either program has changed. Last time I touched Final Cut was when FCPX was first introduced and both myself and everyone else I knew absolutely HATED it and jumped ship for Premiere pretty much immediately.

Premiere is what I’d recommend first, but a free version of Avid is still pretty great. Still vastly preferable to using FCPX, unless you’re on a bleeding edge new Mac (like, if you buy an Apple Silicon Mac, the FCPX might be your only option… shy of that though…)

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Anyone know the best way to edit red force lighting, recolouring attempts don’t seem to be a good option.

https://imgur.com/a/TZ4CnuM
Concept by Skywalker Arts.

In canon and legends, red force lightning is It’s most powerful state and we’re supposed to believe Palpatine is his most powerful and we already know this is an ability he can use but weirdly he doesn’t use it when he’s supposed to be at his strongest.

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Cinefy said:

Anyone know the best way to edit red force lighting, recolouring attempts don’t seem to be a good option.

https://imgur.com/a/TZ4CnuM
Concept by Skywalker Arts.

In canon and legends, red force lightning is It’s most powerful state and we’re supposed to believe Palpatine is his most powerful and we already know this is an ability he can use but weirdly he doesn’t use it when he’s supposed to be at his strongest.

I like the idea, but I think it’s not easy to do. ImmersionVFX changed lightsaber colours in TLJ, so maybe he is able to do such a thing.

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I think that’d be confusing. If yellow lightning from Rey was struck down, I don’t think this would be a good idea for this particular project. I’d be interesting in seeing it as a concept, but not in the movie.

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Hey Hal, hope it will all work out with your computer issues, I just read through things and was so glad you got the support so quickly! Good luck with it all. I’ll input however I can to assist.

Also, I don’t think the red lighting is a good idea. Causes more confusion than anything for the audience … especially if you watch the entire trilogy lighting has stayed consistent.

On a personal opinion on this movie, and the entire trilogy, the viewer shouldn’t have to rely on outside sources from the movie to explain either significant changes or plot lines … the movies should be pretty self contained.

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Cinefy said:

Anyone know the best way to edit red force lighting, recolouring attempts don’t seem to be a good option.

https://imgur.com/a/TZ4CnuM
Concept by Skywalker Arts.

In canon and legends, red force lightning is It’s most powerful state and we’re supposed to believe Palpatine is his most powerful and we already know this is an ability he can use but weirdly he doesn’t use it when he’s supposed to be at his strongest.

Wow, I wasn’t on board until I saw the concept. I’d be super interested in seeing this realized now!

Edit: Also, yellow lightning for Rey sounds really cool as well. Is this available somewhere?

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I personally love the red lightning idea- ties into The Son from Clone Wars and provides a nice contrast to the blue of Exegol.

Use the Force, Jon Yowza.

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Hoop28 said:

I personally love the red lightning idea- ties into The Son from Clone Wars and provides a nice contrast to the blue of Exegol.

This is the only thing that makes it interesting to me… but with Lightning being blue everywhere else, and the Son not being in Live Action or any of the films, I think it would simply add confusion to an edit where the goal is to remove confusion and fix plot holes.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Hoop28 said:

I personally love the red lightning idea- ties into The Son from Clone Wars and provides a nice contrast to the blue of Exegol.

This is the only thing that makes it interesting to me… but with Lightning being blue everywhere else, and the Son not being in Live Action or any of the films, I think it would simply add confusion to an edit where the goal is to remove confusion and fix plot holes.

I don’t see it as something that needs to be explained, we see Palpatine absorb the power of the dyad and then he steps down in new (red) robes with glowing eyes again. I feel like it’s safe to say the audience would understand:

Dyad power-charged Palpatine = Far greater power than ever before = Red lightning color

The red could just be interpreted by the general audience as maximum Dark side power since red usually means Sith, and TCW fans would appreciate the connection to the Son in the Mortis arc.

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I like the red lightning idea just because it breaks up the MAXIMUM BLUE aesthetic of the movie. Here’s a short mockup clip using the very laziest AE hue changing shapes. Obviously that’s just a quick edit; not using any of the luts or Jonh’s edits, but you can see what it might look like if someone did decide to edit in MAXIMUM RED lightning.

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I think this lightning discussion is probably more suited for the redux thread.

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sade1212 said:

I like the red lightning idea just because it breaks up the MAXIMUM BLUE aesthetic of the movie. Here’s a short mockup clip using the very laziest AE hue changing shapes. Obviously that’s just a quick edit; not using any of the luts or Jonh’s edits, but you can see what it might look like if someone did decide to edit in MAXIMUM RED lightning.

That’s cool as hell, I’d def like to see a legitimate/full version- especially the part where Palpatine disables the entire galactic militia in the sky.

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Brewzter said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Hoop28 said:

I personally love the red lightning idea- ties into The Son from Clone Wars and provides a nice contrast to the blue of Exegol.

This is the only thing that makes it interesting to me… but with Lightning being blue everywhere else, and the Son not being in Live Action or any of the films, I think it would simply add confusion to an edit where the goal is to remove confusion and fix plot holes.

I don’t see it as something that needs to be explained, we see Palpatine absorb the power of the dyad and then he steps down in new (red) robes with glowing eyes again. I feel like it’s safe to say the audience would understand:

Dyad power-charged Palpatine = Far greater power than ever before = Red lightning color

The red could just be interpreted by the general audience as maximum Dark side power since red usually means Sith, and TCW fans would appreciate the connection to the Son in the Mortis arc.

The dyad is so barely touched upon or explained that this would only draw more attention to how confusing that plot point is. Doubling down on confusing and unexplained elements won’t simply make it somehow easier for general audiences… all it does it make people throw up their hands and say “nothing matters”.

I like the call back, but even with being in that world, it still makes me ask more questions than it answers. The Son is dead, so is Palpatine becoming the new Son? Are Ben and Rey the new Son and Daughter? Who is the new Father? How will they be kept in balance? If Palpatine absorbs both of their powers and can then use the powers of the Son, wouldn’t the power and influence of the Daughter happen too? Did Palpatine’s spirit merge with the spirit of the dead Son when he was without a body? This also makes me more curious if Palpatine was all the Sith in his life, or not until the Spirits commingled after death? Was it the Sith Cultists that brought Palpatine’s and the other Sith’s spirits back into his body? Why did they not give those Sith spirits into one of their own younger/healthier bodies? With Ben’s death, is there a new Son?

As much as it looks cool and is a nice callback, I think changing the colour of Exegol would be a better change for the film.

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Hmm… looks good but might be best to leave for another edit.

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“We Are What They Grow Beyond” - Yoda


My Prefered Saga Viewing Preference:
Ep. III - Revenge of the Sith Special Edition (StankPac Edit) * Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards Original Version)
Ep. IV - A New Hope Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. V - Empire Strikes Back Revisited (Adywan Edit)
Ep. VI - Return of The Jedi Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. VII - The Force Awakens Restructured (Hal 9000 Edit)
Ep. VIII - The Last Jedi Legendary (Hal 9000 Edit)

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