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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP) — Page 218

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jarbear said:

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Eh, we just start the scene with the Palpatine message already playing, concluding right before Rose asks, “Do we believe this?” The audience doesn’t need to be told it’s Palpatine; we met him already.

It feels like people are getting all hooked up on the resistance not hearing something or having something played for them? Palps has been revealed to the audience, does their need to be some like … more confirmation of that? The resistance is already surprised by this and can’t believe it … do what’s the issue? I’m trying to follow this rational but don’t quite get it.

Because he was revealed to the Audience, not the Resistance. There are a lot of things that get revealed to the audience but not the heroes, such as Chewie’s survival. If it’s a major foundation to the motivation of the heroes, it should be in the film.

They decode the code and Poe says “Palpatine is alive.” They learn of his “survival/revival” from the message. So … it is revealed to them. They get intel from a spy and then tell their group they’ve decoded it and Palps is alive. So … yeah. It is revealed. Both sides know he is alive without them literally having to hear stuff. The audience knows, they know and acknowledge it.

I guess you missed where everyone discussed hating the contrived line of “Somehow, Palpatine returned”. They also never really receive the message that took forever to transfer and got an informant decapitated; if it’s just that line of intel, surely they didn’t need to transfer it to R2 more slowly than saying it out loud.

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For some reason JJ succumbed to the use of boring exposition in this film.
Having the resistance listen to a leaked discussion between Palpy and Proyed is, in my humble opinion, a very effective demonstration of “show, don’t tell”

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Wait, the resistance never got the message? Huh? Im a bit lost on that one Jake. What do you mean by that?

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jarbear said:

Wait, the resistance never got the message? Huh? Im a bit lost on that one Jake. What do you mean by that?

I think we can all agree that “Some how palpatine returned” was a lousy and weak line.

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jarbear said:

Wait, the resistance never got the message? Huh? Im a bit lost on that one.

It never happened on-screen. R2-D2 has this massive file transfer, and all that comes from it is "Somehow, Palpatine returned.“

If that’s all they got. They could have escaped sooner, Boolio wouldn’t need to be decapitated, etc. Since the mention of the galactic broadcast has been cut from the crawl, the suggestion has been to give this scene more meaning and see the Resistance react to intel beyond a silly line.

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Ok, so its based on that line of Poe, not that the Resistance got the intel. Ok, that clears up that part since that was a bit confusing.

I think the better solution if people or really hounding on needing the resistance hear something. Forget the goofy broadcast. Just have part of the conversation of the First Order in their board room. Put some radio affect on it and THAT is the intel they got. Essentially, Hux recorded the conversation and sent it, with out intel, to the Spy to relay. That way, the Resistance hears part of that recording, that the audience has heard, and the next scene is the Resistance all together.

This allows 1.) Show and not tell (just need a section of the “board room meeting” audio distorted to achieve this). and 2.) The good guys can still can be at a disbelief on what they’ve heard and keep the lines of “Can we believe this?” and “Somehow he is alive” if needed.

Win win.

(The fortnite lines are just too corny, sorry.)

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jarbear said:

Sigh, so its based on that line of Poe, not that the Resistance got the intel. Ok, that clears up that part.

I think the better solution if people or really hounding on needing the resistance hear something. Forget the goofy broadcast. Just have part of the conversation of the First Order in their board room. Put some radio affect on it and THAT is the intel they got. Essentially, Hux recorded the conversation and sent it, with out intel, to the Spy to relay. That way, the Resistance hears part of that recording, that the audience has heard, and the next scene is the Resistance all together.

This allows 1.) Show and not tell (just need a section of the “board room meeting” audio distorted to achieve this). and 2.) The good guys can still can be at a disbelief on what they’ve heard and keep the lines of “Can we believe this?” and “Somehow he is alive” if needed.

Win win.

(The fortnite lines are just too corny, sorry.)

So they get intel of a meeting that starts with discussion of a spy, after killing the informant that gives the intel after his death? Seems very confusing… It’s also less useful information to know that the FO knows about the spy.

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JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Sigh, so its based on that line of Poe, not that the Resistance got the intel. Ok, that clears up that part.

I think the better solution if people or really hounding on needing the resistance hear something. Forget the goofy broadcast. Just have part of the conversation of the First Order in their board room. Put some radio affect on it and THAT is the intel they got. Essentially, Hux recorded the conversation and sent it, with out intel, to the Spy to relay. That way, the Resistance hears part of that recording, that the audience has heard, and the next scene is the Resistance all together.

This allows 1.) Show and not tell (just need a section of the “board room meeting” audio distorted to achieve this). and 2.) The good guys can still can be at a disbelief on what they’ve heard and keep the lines of “Can we believe this?” and “Somehow he is alive” if needed.

Win win.

(The fortnite lines are just too corny, sorry.)

So they get intel of a meeting that starts with discussion of a spy, after killing the informant that gives the intel after his death? Seems very confusing… It’s also less useful information to know that the FO knows about the spy.

Exactly. Also that scene ends with kylo saying that they are going hunting for rey, right when rey and co get to pasaana so that whole scene should just stay where it is imo it’s just more confusing if we try to add the scene as the intel leak

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Exactly. Also that scene ends with kylo saying that they are going hunting for rey, right when rey and co get to pasaana so that whole scene should just stay where it is imo it’s just more confusing if we try to add the scene as the intel leak

That scene isn’t for like another 10 minutes anyway lol

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The board conversation talks about Palpatine, the fleet, etc. Not sure what the hang up is. Yes, the baddies talk about a spy. So what? Many bothans were killed for intel for the rebellion … did that stop the rebellion? Did they just … not listen to the intel because people died getting it?

What does it matter if Kylo says he’s going to hunt her … the resistance are always being hunted by FO and Rey would not go and do anything if Kylo says he is looking for her? The Psuedo Sith hunting the psudo Jedi? That’s kind of par for the course. Why would that stop her from doing anything?

Plus on Pasaana they have a line to keep low since their are FO patrols … so … that fits with being hunted too.

Also, as a simple audio thing too, there can be a small clicking sound and some point during the board room discussion at some point, which could be the starting point of the “leaked” conversation to the Resistance. It such a small thing but people could recognize that if they watch the movie again and make the connection. Nothing super obvious, but just a “hint” to the audience if they watch it again.

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jarbear said:

The board conversation talks about Palpatine, the fleet, etc. Not sure what the hang up is.

What does it matter if Kylo says he’s going to hunt her … the resistance are always being hunted by FO and Rey would not go and do anything if Kylo says he is looking for her? The Psuedo Sith hunting the psudo Jedi? That’s kind of par for the course. Why would that stop her from doing anything?

Plus on Pasaana they have a line to keep low since their are FO patrols … so … that fits with being hunted too.

I think my bigger issue is that the scene starts with the death of the informant that somehow passes audio from a meeting before it happened. The scene is significant in that the First Order discovers they have a spy.

Also, Kylo is now masked, which forces the Resistance to not steal this information, let alone listen to it, until much later in the story, delaying the protagonists’ stories from starting.

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Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

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jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally against the corny fortnite lines.

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jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

I get that the Fortnite message is corny, and I agree… but it’s still a better way to give this information. So much of the film is corny that if you cut all that’s corny out, you might have slightly more than a trailer.

This new villain, who was presumed dead for over 30 years within continuity and in the real world has very little setup to being a threat still. That’s why I’m one that thinks this message should be in The Last Jedi after Snoke does and just before Luke arrives on Crait and Kylo’s travelling to Exegol (with the Mustafar sequence fully cut) should replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To in The Force Awakens.

For those that don’t like seeding Palpatine into the other films, I think having this broadcast, or at least part of it, in this Resistance meeting helps act as proof that Palpatine has returned, it’s something they can tangibly witness (unlike Poe’s “Somehow, Palpatine returned” line).

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It wasn’t made for fortnite lmao, It’s cut dialogue that JJ recycled for a Fortnite commerical

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Cinefy’s last edit was pretty good.
I like Poe saying “in 16 hours” instead of “somehow palpatine returned”.

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No, not the timer!

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JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

I get that the Fortnite message is corny, and I agree… but it’s still a better way to give this information. So much of the film is corny that if you cut all that’s corny out, you might have slightly more than a trailer.

This new villain, who was presumed dead for over 30 years within continuity and in the real world has very little setup to being a threat still. That’s why I’m one that thinks this message should be in The Last Jedi after Snoke does and just before Luke arrives on Crait and Kylo’s travelling to Exegol (with the Mustafar sequence fully cut) should replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To in The Force Awakens.

For those that don’t like seeding Palpatine into the other films, I think having this broadcast, or at least part of it, in this Resistance meeting helps act as proof that Palpatine has returned, it’s something they can tangibly witness (unlike Poe’s “Somehow, Palpatine returned” line).

I get that thinking. At least for me, using Poppa or Hal’s Hal’s Last Jedi already hints at Palps. As well as a small taser in Hal’s TFA. (The TLJ in both versions is a heavy imply right at the end.)

So using either of those two edits for TLJ already “warms us up” to Palpatine’s return. Hench, still in my head, this is not necessary with those edits in mind as well as not using the silly lines.

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jarbear said:

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

I get that the Fortnite message is corny, and I agree… but it’s still a better way to give this information. So much of the film is corny that if you cut all that’s corny out, you might have slightly more than a trailer.

This new villain, who was presumed dead for over 30 years within continuity and in the real world has very little setup to being a threat still. That’s why I’m one that thinks this message should be in The Last Jedi after Snoke does and just before Luke arrives on Crait and Kylo’s travelling to Exegol (with the Mustafar sequence fully cut) should replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To in The Force Awakens.

For those that don’t like seeding Palpatine into the other films, I think having this broadcast, or at least part of it, in this Resistance meeting helps act as proof that Palpatine has returned, it’s something they can tangibly witness (unlike Poe’s “Somehow, Palpatine returned” line).

I get that thinking. At least for me, using Poppa or Hal’s Hal’s Last Jedi already hints at Palps. As well as a small taser in Hal’s TFA. (The TLJ in both versions is a heavy imply right at the end.)

So using either of those two edits for TLJ already “warms us up” to Palpatine’s return. Hench, still in my head, this is not necessary with those edits in mind as well as not using the silly lines.

I’ll admit that I’m not as familiar with those edits as I’ve not been able to watch them. I remember reading through the list of Changes and didn’t notice anything that set it up that much, but maybe there’s something in the completed film that I haven’t seen.

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Swapping the “Somehow Palpatine returned” by the 16-hours timer seems like exchanging an evil for another evil :S.

I like the first part of your video, though, when Rose, Beumont and Poe listen to the broadcast. But the beginning of the actual briefing should just be either a bunch of unintelligible murmuring or a cold silence, right until Rose breaks it with ‘Wait, Do we believe this?’.

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I’ll admit that I’m not as familiar with those edits as I’ve not been able to watch them. I remember reading through the list of Changes and didn’t notice anything that set it up that much, but maybe there’s something in the completed film that I haven’t seen.

Poppasketti’s TLJ ending includes Kylo Ren listening and reacting to Palpatine’s voice coming through the radio on Crait.

There’s also Palp’s laugh in the flashback when Luke considers killing Ben, and some foreshadowing for Rey Palpatine.

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I think the best way to go about this idea is simply and merely to recreate idir’s dialogue using the music-less source and use this to replace the lines “We reviewed the message or whatever, and it confirms the worse: Somehow, Palpatine returned.”

I appreciate the effort, particular from Cinefy. I feel bad turning down a lot of what you submit, but I appreciate it regardless and we’re better off having more ideas at all!

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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“Somehow, Palpatine returned the galaxy in 16 hours! Wesa free!”