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Jonh, you just let us know when you have it where you are once again happy with how it all looks. It’s a gem, so polish it to your heart’s content. 😃

If I’m very lucky I can totally finish up with everything ROTJ for the time being and then have sporadic time to implement the things that have stockpiled for TROS.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Jonh, you just let us know when you have it where you are once again happy with how it all looks. It’s a gem, so polish it to your heart’s content. 😃

If I’m very lucky I can totally finish up with everything ROTJ for the time being and then have sporadic time to implement the things that have stockpiled for TROS.

Ok hal !!
Part 1 is OK OK …
I will make a small improvement in part 2, I will upload it soon 😃

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kewlfish said:

This may have been discussed before I joined the forum, but what are Palpatine’s motivations in this edit? That was one of the muddiest parts of the movie was that he wanted Rey dead, but he really didn’t because he told her his plan was always for Kylo to bring her to Exegol.

I always thought that was pretty straightforward. I have a lot of problems with this movie, but I don’t really think Palpatine’s motivations were one of them.

Palpatine initially intended to have Kylo kill Rey and become his new host body. This remains his plan up until Leia reaches out through the force and Rey heals Kylo, resulting in Ben returning to the light.

PALPATINE: The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan… but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.

Send a ship to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins. She will come, her friends will follow.

At this point, his plan changes, because Kylo is no longer a viable option, but Rey, who is clearly struggling with the darkness within her, IS.

This remains his plan up until the final confrontation, at which point Rey rejects his influence, and so he settles on simply draining Ben and Rey of their life-force. In doing so, he discovers the true strength of their connection, the Dyad, and realizes he can use the strength inherent in the bond to restore the withered clone husk body he’s inhabiting. Because his body has been restored, he no longer needs Rey or Ben.

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That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

A PRIME example of this is that he (and Lawrence Kasdan) scripted and filmed scenes with and about the New Republic senate. The shot of the New Republic senate we see as Hosnian Prime was destroyed were originally meant to be characters we’d seen earlier in the movie. Korr Sella, Maisie Richardson-Sellers’s character who can be seen briefly as the planet is destroyed, was Leia’s emissary to the senate, sent there with all of their evidence that the First Order is violating treaties and planning an attack to finally convince the New Republic to move against the First Order. But no; JJ thinks worldbuilding is scary, so we lost those scenes.

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The final order…ugh… is posible to remove that name from the film?

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darkshadowspike said:

The final order…ugh… is posible to remove that name from the film?

I’ve been playing with audio clips to see how feasible it is to replace ‘Final Order’ with ‘Sith Eternal’. I can’t find any clips of Ian Mcdiarmid saying ‘eternal’, but in Battlefront 2, one of Palpatine’s dialogue lines includes the word ‘eternal’, so I’m going to see if I can match those up well enough that it doesn’t sound weird.

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omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

So … is Jj’s style is like a shark and has to to keep moving or it’ll die?

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jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

So … is Jj’s style is like a shark and has to to keep moving or it’ll die?

Apparently, yes.

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omnimuffin said:

I’ve been playing with audio clips to see how feasible it is to replace ‘Final Order’ with ‘Sith Eternal’.

hmmm why not put empire? to imply that is still the same old empire, after all palpatine is still alive with a fleet, the ending of ROTJ wasn’t respected at all by TROS anyway.

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darkshadowspike said:

omnimuffin said:

I’ve been playing with audio clips to see how feasible it is to replace ‘Final Order’ with ‘Sith Eternal’.

hmmm why not put empire? to imply that is still the same old empire, after all palpatine is still alive with a fleet, the ending of ROTJ wasn’t respected at all by TROS anyway.

Cuz’ that what all of the other canon material calls the Sith Cult on Exegol. I’m a big fan of continuity.

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omnimuffin said:

kewlfish said:

This may have been discussed before I joined the forum, but what are Palpatine’s motivations in this edit? That was one of the muddiest parts of the movie was that he wanted Rey dead, but he really didn’t because he told her his plan was always for Kylo to bring her to Exegol.

I always thought that was pretty straightforward. I have a lot of problems with this movie, but I don’t really think Palpatine’s motivations were one of them.

Palpatine initially intended to have Kylo kill Rey and become his new host body. This remains his plan up until Leia reaches out through the force and Rey heals Kylo, resulting in Ben returning to the light.

PALPATINE: The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan… but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.

Send a ship to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins. She will come, her friends will follow.

At this point, his plan changes, because Kylo is no longer a viable option, but Rey, who is clearly struggling with the darkness within her, IS.

This remains his plan up until the final confrontation, at which point Rey rejects his influence, and so he settles on simply draining Ben and Rey of their life-force. In doing so, he discovers the true strength of their connection, the Dyad, and realizes he can use the strength inherent in the bond to restore the withered clone husk body he’s inhabiting. Because his body has been restored, he no longer needs Rey or Ben.

Yeah, this is a great breakdown and now that you mention it, I can totally see your reasoning.

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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“Sith Eternal” is a name I can live with. It explicitly states the Sith nature of the faction, bringing the story of the saga full circle (back to the essential Jedi-Sith conflict) and it doesn’t recycle either Empire or Order. But I think maybe some dialogue tweaking could serve to further establish that the First Order is either subservient to, or merged with, the Sith Eternal/Final Order. The distinction between the two organisations is not very clear when taking only the film as reference.

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Knight of Kalee said:

“Sith Eternal” is a name I can live with. It explicitly states the Sith nature of the faction, bringing the story of the saga full circle (back to the essential Jedi-Sith conflict) and it doesn’t recycle either Empire or Order. But I think maybe some dialogue tweaking could serve to further establish that the First Order is either subservient to, or merged with, the Sith Eternal/Final Order. The distinction between the two organisations is not very clear when taking only the film as reference.

The only thing I’ll defend about the name “Final Order” is it helps establish the painstakingly dumb name of the First Order. These were phases for his return. It would be great if there was a way to adjust the line to be the “Final Order of the Sith Eternal” or something similar.

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poppasketti said:

Here’s some Alts for the Tie replacement:
https://vimeo.com/421655865
pw: fanedit

Enterprise all the way!

Side note … I totally would be up for an actual alt of using Vader’s tie … just for the imagery of having Luke’s and Vader’s ship next to each other

(Though the shuttle is probably more or less … realistic?)

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jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

So … is Jj’s style is like a shark and has to to keep moving or it’ll die?

So JJ is Micheal Bay?

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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poppasketti said:

Here’s some Alts for the Tie replacement:
https://vimeo.com/421655865
pw: fanedit

Lol!

Jokes aside, Vader’s TIE Advanced is a genuinely good option. It makes sense in-universe, and though it’s kind of fanservice-y, it feels like a nice payoff having that TIE and the X-Wing it chased all those films ago, now side-by-side. George Lucas would be proud of that “rhyme”.

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Knight of Kalee said:

poppasketti said:

Here’s some Alts for the Tie replacement:
https://vimeo.com/421655865
pw: fanedit

Lol!

Jokes aside, Vader’s TIE Advanced is a genuinely good option. It makes sense in-universe, and though it’s kind of fanservice-y, it feels like a nice payoff having that TIE and the X-Wing it chased all those films ago, now side-by-side. George Lucas would be proud of that “rhyme”.

We need to have a branching option on the final Blu-ray that randomly shows one of these alternates each time.

What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. Come, lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy.
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I like that idea, Nev. Hal?

I agree the Vader Tie genuinely works, so I definitely think that will be an option for those that want it. It’s posted to the “Master Clips” folder.

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kewlfish said:

jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

So … is Jj’s style is like a shark and has to to keep moving or it’ll die?

So JJ is Micheal Bay?

Wait … have we seen the two together in public or at least a photo of them together?!

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poppasketti said:

Alright, added one more. This was my wife’s idea (as was the Enterprise). So we have 7 total options including the theatrical for seamless branching on the Blu-ray.
https://vimeo.com/421655865
pw: fanedit

hahahhahah titanic!!!😃

a delorean maybe? 😉

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poppasketti said:

jonh said:

a delorean maybe? 😉

Ah, good call! Should’ve used that instead of the Ferrari.

Yeah! That would be great. The titanic was fantastic!

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