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I think that if Mustafar is kept in, it should end when Kylo picks up the Wayfinder and we hear “Find me.” Then pick up on Kylo’s adventure again later, after Rey’s training sequence but before the Falcon returns.

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I’m not sure if anyone has seen my “Kylo Board meeting” video but I feel the Mustafa scene fits in perfectly after Kylo saying “We’re going hunting…” I’ve just finished that scene and it is F***ing amazing!

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Movies Remastered said:

I’m not sure if anyone has seen my “Kylo Board meeting” video but I feel the Mustafa scene fits in perfectly after Kylo saying “We’re going hunting…” I’ve just finished that scene and it is F***ing amazing!

Do you have a link to a completed version? I saw your editing videos on Youtube, but I’d like to see what it looks like as a continuous scene with transitions in and out.

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Hi guys.

I’m just going over ideas and I’ve stumbled on one but as yet I have no idea how to implement or even if it can be (I strongly suspect the latter)

Anyhow, I wondered if there was a way to actually intercut Rey’s training in the forest with Kylo’s slaughter on Mustafar.

Have the visuals juxtapose each other.

Rey trains against a remote in a lush green forest whilst Kylo slaughters in a burnt out forest.

A light and a dark parallel of each other.

I wondered if it might just help bulk out the Mustafar sequence sufficiently.

Where I’m struggling is I’m trying g to work out how we adequately introduce each of the characters in their own settings to set the sequence in motion.

As I said, it’s nothing more than just an idea/concept atm I have no idea if/how it could be implemented yet…but I thought I’d put it out there incase it lights a spark with someone who might be able to run with it properly?

Anyhow…

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Neerb said:

Movies Remastered said:

I’m not sure if anyone has seen my “Kylo Board meeting” video but I feel the Mustafa scene fits in perfectly after Kylo saying “We’re going hunting…” I’ve just finished that scene and it is F***ing amazing!

Do you have a link to a completed version? I saw your editing videos on Youtube, but I’d like to see what it looks like as a continuous scene with transitions in and out.

My internet has dropped to less than 0.7mb upload so I’m struggling to do anything right now. Had an engineer out today but they sent the wrong guy. I’ve set up a Vimeo account so as soon as It’s sorted I’ll share a bunch of my new scenes with everyone.

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smpearce1981 said:

Hi guys.

I’m just going over ideas and I’ve stumbled on one but as yet I have no idea how to implement or even if it can be (I strongly suspect the latter)

Anyhow, I wondered if there was a way to actually intercut Rey’s training in the forest with Kylo’s slaughter on Mustafar.

Have the visuals juxtapose each other.

Rey trains against a remote in a lush green forest whilst Kylo slaughters in a burnt out forest.

A light and a dark parallel of each other.

I wondered if it might just help bulk out the Mustafar sequence sufficiently.

Where I’m struggling is I’m trying g to work out how we adequately introduce each of the characters in their own settings to set the sequence in motion.

As I said, it’s nothing more than just an idea/concept atm I have no idea if/how it could be implemented yet…but I thought I’d put it out there incase it lights a spark with someone who might be able to run with it properly?

Anyhow…

I’m a sucker for comparison shots like that! It’s a great idea but I think the soundtrack would be a nightmare…

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…in the theme of ideas:

Has anyone considered the viability of this?

Do away with ‘Mustafar’ (bear with me)…but keep the slaughter sequence?

Repurpose it.

Start the movie with Kylo dropping out of HS . Landing on EXAGOL!..

There’s your establishing sequence! Then repurpose the slaughter on Mustafar (via colour correction) to have Kylo killing the cultists in order to get to/into Palpatine’s lair? (Instead of it being to find the way finder)

Keep it all, but make two sequences across two planets, just one???

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Oooh

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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It’s more about not smashing straight to the Palpatine reveal. If nothing else, the Mustafar provides a little buildup and anticipation of the Palpatine reveal.

I don’t know that it provides any buildup or anticipation, though. Theoretically it could, but the structure of the story (and its execution in the film itself) prevents that. I agree that Mustafar is supposed to possibly function as buildup, but I don’t think it does that at all, and even in its originally written form, it’s function as a “mystery” for Kylo to solve is perfunctory: The movie starts with everyone in the theater knowing Palpatine is here. Treating Palpatine’s presence as the payoff at the end of Kylo’s mini-journey just seems like an empty storytelling pursuit (and is likely why the sequence got cut to ribbons in the main edit in the first place). Especially since Kylo almost immediately shrugs him off afterwards. So it’s a mystery that isn’t very mysterious, solved very quickly, and then effectively rejected by the person who solved it. That doesn’t make for a good “payoff.” But if you just “smash” to his first appearance in the movie, it does work as the setup it functionally is in the narrative. Thinking of it as a “reveal” feels rooted in an extra-narrative importance derived from the character’s position in pop-culture, and not due to any of the story’s actual demands in the first act.

HOWEVER: The ideas for moving the sequence to later in the movie, using it in a flashback, or withholding Palpatine’s presence for a much more substantial amount of time (closer to the end of act 1, 10-15 minutes into the movie instead of at minute 3 or 4) could lend itself to his very appearance actually being a “payoff” or a “reveal” a little more, but that would necessitate a considerable restructuring of the plot points along the narrative arc.

There’s a ton of really fun and interesting ideas flying around on every page. The last few posts on this one are a good example, too!

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I know I can’t touch on everything that’s been said so far this morning right now, and I hope I don’t sound blunt! But I am leaning toward keeping Mustafar as it is, maybe with a shot to set it up if it feels right.

The restructure was interesting and has a lot going for it, but you’re right that this thing is a Gordian knot. And there’d have to be something in his helmet vision to bring him to being FIRED UP when we see him next.

Movies Remastered, you’re moving Mustafar to after the board room scene? How’s that work?

Yes, while I’m sympathetic to all the work I and others put in, I’ve had a lot of work left along dead ends and you have to be willing to kill your darlings.

And just as a reminder, this would be a very different conversation if we were still making the movie, and we are especially limited by this film when we are working from a completed product and considering what we can do that would still have felt totally legit were it projected in theaters for ourselves and general audiences in a parallel universe.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

The restructure was interesting and has a lot going for it, but you’re right that this thing is a Gordian knot. And there’d have to be something in his helmet vision to bring him to being FIRED UP when we see him next.

Better yet, just remove the helmet vision from the restructure and have it be the Rey only vision that someone here mocked up. Can’t remember who that was 😦

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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I’m trying to bring it up here as I got my ass handed to me on reddit but…

Did anyone debunk the fact that Ray destroys kylo ren’s whisper after she jumps over it but then 2 seconds later it’s back? Both Vader and kylo Ren had prototypes before I.e. the silencer, so why would he have an extra as it was a specifically modified Interceptor?

I’ve fixed it but wondering people’s thought?

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idir_hh said:

dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

Works beautifully.
I would use the star destroyer closeup as the Pan Down from the crawl, without ties deploying (removed), then behind Kylo on the bridge.
The wide shot of the Planet with the Pan Down I would attempt to center on the Star
Destroyer and incoming Ties and remove camera movement/the Pan.
Then the closeup of Kylo’s face.
Then the closeup of the Star Destroyer with Ties leaving in tact. Then use the initial flash of ties flying past at the beginning of the Planet pandown as an extra flying to the planet (stabilized/no camera movement), then proceed the same with the ties over the planet, though I’d add slight slowmo to the trooper shot to match or gradually adjust to Kylo slowmo.

Preferred Saga:
PT: Hal9000
4/5: Adywan
6: NSP
7/8: Hal9000

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DZ-330 said:

Better yet, just remove the helmet vision from the restructure and have it be the Rey only vision that someone here mocked up. Can’t remember who that was 😦

I believe that’s Dominic Cobb’s, which has been brought up a few times. He didn’t remove Kylo’s vision entirely, but instead separated Rey and Kylo’s visions and redid them both so Kylo’s vision now transitions into the rebuilding of his helmet to give us a better understanding of his motivations. The vision itself still needed a little work last I saw it (it’s a bit too lengthy and clearly a TLJ clipshow) but it’s by far the best use of the vision I’ve seen, as Kylo’s helmet really needs a justification in this movie. The alternate suggestion of using Kylo’s helmet vision to send him to Mustafar just isn’t as strong to me personally.

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😑 No clue why this posted 🤷🏼‍♂️

Preferred Saga:
PT: Hal9000
4/5: Adywan
6: NSP
7/8: Hal9000

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idir_hh said:

dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

That’s pretty good! The TIEs provide the sort of POV we follow to get us down to the planet surface. I wish it could be Hux and Pryde on the destroyer, as it feels weird to follow the ties away from Kylo to… Kylo.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Movies Remastered said:

I’m trying to bring it up here as I got my ass handed to me on reddit but…

Did anyone debunk the fact that Ray destroys kylo ren’s whisper after she jumps over it but then 2 seconds later it’s back? Both Vader and kylo Ren had prototypes before I.e. the silencer, so why would he have an extra as it was a specifically modified Interceptor?

I’ve fixed it but wondering people’s thought?

Listen, man, don’t EVER bring that up here again. 😛

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

idir_hh said:
Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

That’s pretty good! The TIEs provide the sort of POV we follow to get us down to the planet surface. I wish it could be Hux and Pryde on the destroyer, as it feels weird to follow the ties away from Kylo to… Kylo.

I wonder if there’s a way to take the three ties coming into view from the original tilt down, and have them basically entering the Mustafar sky (think the tilt down from the fireworks in Jedi to reveal the Endor forest), with Poppa’s TIEs coming in once the tilt is fully finished and set. That seems like the smoothest way to get to Mustafar’s surface from the crawl: Follow the three TIEs straight into Mustafar’s atmosphere. It could also smooth out the transition from starfield to blackness, by introducing another transition from blackness to grey/red, and then the forest/landscape. Once it settles, POPPA’s TIEs enter from the left edge of the frame as the initial 3 TIEs disappear into pinpoints.

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Movies Remastered said:

I’m trying to bring it up here as I got my ass handed to me on reddit but…

Did anyone debunk the fact that Ray destroys kylo ren’s whisper after she jumps over it but then 2 seconds later it’s back? Both Vader and kylo Ren had prototypes before I.e. the silencer, so why would he have an extra as it was a specifically modified Interceptor?

I’ve fixed it but wondering people’s thought?

It was kept in the same second transport Chewie was really in.

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DominicCobb said:

Personally I’d like to see the first RO one (coming in through the clouds) with the TIEs. I like what poppa did with the Swedish forest footage but I dunno to me the shot still doesn’t quite match either the Mustafar we know or the one we see in TROS.

I agree this would be the best shot. Unfortunately, it’s also the most difficult to paint out the shuttle. I may be able to try that sometime, but I have a few things going on right now! Just in case, though, can someone send me the shot in prores (or something else sourced from the Blu-ray)?

If anyone has the the 4K ungraded HDR stream that might actually be the best source, at least for the color correction. I don’t think people have realized yet how much these could help editors (think of the day for night scene in Hal’s AOTC for example).

Question: the shot through the clouds is very symmetrical and will definitely be recognizable no matter how you present it. Given that it’s not from a saga film I think it’s okay to be reused, but I wanted to check!

Personally since it’s not a saga film I don’t mind it. Plus with the color and TIEs it should look different enough. Or you could say it’s an homage.

“That is the burden of all editors.”

Sadly, I don’t think this should be a consideration in whether something gets used. The work is always appreciated, and fuels ideas and discussions that lead towards a final decision, but if it doesn’t fit, it doesn’t fit. I learned a lot from my former boss. We spent an entire shoot day getting one shot, and in the edit room he decided to cut it without hesitation. It turned out we didn’t need the shot and he was right.

Yep, this is why directors and other production members typically shouldn’t be editors on the same project. There’s a certain objectivity needed.

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idir_hh said:

dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

The shot of the transports landing I thought looked usable, too. Maybe try putting that in as well?
EDIT: I just had an idea. Could we put a shadow travelling across the land below the ties that is in the shape of Kylo Ren’s shuttle?

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Hal 9000 said:

Movies Remastered, you’re moving Mustafar to after the board room scene? How’s that work?

Sorry Hal, Still getting to grips with this site on my phone. It’s a nightmare keeping up with all the messages and threads.

I felt having the Mustafa scene at the beginning was like telling a punchline of a joke before you have a setup. Kylo already going to Exagol and having a Wayfinder at the start leaves no tension or chase with the protagonists. Leaving it for after the board meeting not only gives a great line for a setup but eliminating any mention of Kylo going to Exagol makes room for the cat and mouse situation to happen.

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