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Hal 9000 said:

By this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

Yes… I wonder? 🤔

Maybe krausfadr or Acbagel will step up to the plate, I dunno. 🤷‍♂️

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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Isn’t poppasketti also working on the crackly saber alongside RogueLeader?

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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I think I have a rough idea of how to streamline the ending and even have it be thematically more powerful. First, remove the whole death ritual angle. This way, Palpatine is not asking Rey to kill him, but rather offering her a deal similar to what he offered Kylo at the beginning of the film, except in this case he is inviting her to rule as grandfather and granddaughter. This is more compelling to Rey for two reasons: 1) It seems as though Palpatine may be sincerely reaching out to her as family, and offering her something that would make her more than a “nobody”, i.e., a “birthright”, and 2) whereas Rey initially wanted to “destroy” Palpatine for killing her parents, Luke’s pep talk actually softened her up and helped her dial down her anger/hatred. So now she is going to face Palpatine, but is completely thrown off kilter by his proposal and no longer sure she wants to kill him. He is offering her everything she ever wanted after all, i.e., family and a sense of identity. Having said all that, Palpatine is really only trying to buy time until Kylo arrives so he can draw strength from their Dyad. This is because he’s presumably quite weak, and Rey could realistically defeat him in his infeebled state. Rey ultimately rejects his proposal of course, but at least in this way, it could be a little bit tempting for her. However as soon as Kylo/Ben arrives, Palpatine immediately turns on her, because he no longer needs to buy time. And so he gets to work sapping their energy. I think this ending is much better, because in this case, at least Rey is offered a more difficult choice, i.e., a sense of belonging and identity with her grandfather, or a lonely life as the last remaining jedi. Of course, after her trial of faith so to speak, the Jedi come through for her, proving that they can also provide that sense of belonging and identity.

So this is how it might work with the death ritual removed:

Palpatine: I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here. Empress Palpatine, you will take the thrown. It is your birthright.
Rey: I haven’t come to lead the Sith, I’ve come to end them.
Palpatine: Your hatred. Your anger. You want to kill me.
(remove line about him wanting the same thing. Remove any dialogue urging her to kill him.)
Rey: All you want is for me to hate, but I won’t, not even you.
Palpatine: Luke was saved by his father. The only family you have here, is me.
Palpatine: No one is coming to help your friends. Take the throne. …Only you have the power to save your friends.
(This is where Rey Force transfers the lightsaber to Ben and the fighting ensues)
Palpatine: You are nothing. A scavenger girl… (granted, this line would have to be moved from later in the scene, and may not be possible, but it isnt essential to do so either).
Palpatine: Stand together, die together…(etc., etc.,)

I feel like the shot where Palpatine throws Ben off the cliff could easily be removed. It would be one less annoying fake out, which this movie is full of. However, that is neither here nor there.

Other lines from earlier in the film could be removed as well, such as Palpatine telling Kylo: “Kill me and my spirit will pass into you, as all the Sith live in me.” This line wouldn’t be necessary since it wouldn’t factor in later in the film. Another line that could be trimmed would be where Kylo says to Rey: “What Palpatine doesn’t know, is that we’re a Dyad in the Force.” The first half about Palpatine not knowing could be removed, retaining the useful bit of information in the second half. Again, I just think it’s really implausible, if Palpatine has been manipulating Kylo all this time, that he doesn’t know about the Dyad, and doesn’t have plans to exploit it.

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NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, this really makes Kylo scary beyond all reason.

😉

KumoNin said:

Also, I understand that it is settled and binned 😄, but just in case I was not clear in my force ghost post, this was my ultimate suggestion:
What are people’s thoughts on having JUST BEN as a force ghost for that shot, replacing Mark and Carrie entirely

As someone who doesn’t really care much for the kiss, or for the 11th-hour Dyad-retcon, I think it’s more important to address the character relationships that have spanned the entire trilogy, not just the last film. So Rey and Kylo, yes; but also Rey’s relationships with Luke and Leia, and Luke’s and Leia’s relationships with Ben. I think it would feel unsatisfying to just ignore all of that.

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Hal 9000 said:

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams. But by this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

I don’t see them as Diet Hal, without your hard work we wouldn’t have half of what we have. I haven’t been around the forums as long as a lot of you but have seen enough to know that almost all editors take inspiration from your edits and even use them as their main to work off.

As for TROS this seems to be the fan bases main thread.

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Holy shit, there are a lot of ideas on how to revise Palpatine’s master plan, aren’t there? I wonder whose will ultimately come out on top before V2 is locked and ready for release? 😃

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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About the Palpatine’s masterplan, maybe just cut after “What could you give me?” and leave it lile that, so the audience doest know whats the plan and whats the Kylo Ren’s game ?

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Atom-88 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams. But by this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

I don’t see them as Diet Hal, without your hard work we wouldn’t have half of what we have. I haven’t been around the forums as long as a lot of you but have seen enough to know that almost all editors take inspiration from your edits and even use them as their main to work off.

As for TROS this seems to be the fan bases main thread.

Neither do I. In fact, I’m planning on continuing to use Restructured because it’s truer to the original filmmakers intentions.
That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Atom-88 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams. But by this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

I don’t see them as Diet Hal, without your hard work we wouldn’t have half of what we have. I haven’t been around the forums as long as a lot of you but have seen enough to know that almost all editors take inspiration from your edits and even use them as their main to work off.

As for TROS this seems to be the fan bases main thread.

Neither do I. In fact, I’m planning on continuing to use Restructured because it’s truer to the original filmmakers intentions.
That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

“Truer to the filmmakers’ intentions?” 🤨

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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Hal 9000 said:

I do like this idea and feel it’d have been much preferable to the theatrical, but I think to realistically get at it we’d have to essentially let the theatrical alone. In other words I don’t think it’d work to imply Kylo has mysterious orders from Palpatine.

If the key ingredient of the idea is Palpatine knowingly trying to drain the dyad, I don’t think the footage is there to establish what’s happening, as he holds his hands up in surprise to exposit what’s happening.

I think it would be fine to start the film with a mysterious “What is Palpatine planning?” (It’s the one mystery box that actually has something inside.) As I understand it, Palpatine has three different plans throughout the film, even though the film tries to play each off as if “This was my plan the whole time.” (Just like how J.J. treated Episode IX itself!) First - ignoring the stupid “I never wanted you dead” - he wants Kylo to kill Rey and then possess Kylo. Hence, “The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plans.” Later, he wants Rey to kill him and initiate a Spirit Transfer. Evil Plot #3 is sucking up the Dyad Juice and rejuvenating his body to look like his hot, young, clone “son” his old, withered, zombie face.

If we were to pick one, true “goal” for Palpatine to have - I agree with Hal that Palp’s surprise at the Dyad wouldn’t work if that was his plan all along. I still think that Neerb’s plotline from months ago makes a lot of sense. Palpy wanted to lure Rey to Exegol; everything about wanting to kill her is a lie created by Kylo. All it would take is removing, what? Two lines? “Kill the girl!!” And “Kill her!” during his phone call with Kylo. Given that Hal was shooting for a December release, it would be fairly easy to do.

Side note: Have we done anything to clarify why he can’t possess Kylo? It can’t be genetic, because he was controlling Snoke just fine. If it’s because Kylo is conflicted, I mean…Rey is clearly conflicted about killing him too, so like…no. And also Rey wouldn’t have been conflicted at all if Palps had just let her kill him in the first place, and-and-…uuuuugggghhhhh. I haven’t thought about the finale in months and I was happier for it. Damn you, all lol.

I think GLogus’s idea has a lot of potential - you’d have to make it more that he wants Rey to join him as apprentice I think, otherwise you run into the same problems as before with the Dyad surprise. Then it’s like Anakin joining to save Padme, Rey joining to save her friends. But what would happen during the whole “She will draw her lightsaber” sequence? Would we just remove all of Palpatine’s dialogue?

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Have we done anything to clarify why he can’t possess Kylo?

With the force Dyad going on then he could use Kylo as a conduit to possess Rey
and and and
this movie would be even more of a logistical hot mess than it already is.

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CamSMurph said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

“Truer to the filmmakers’ intentions?” 🤨

Don’t mean to speak for JarJar but I don’t really understand the confusion here.

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Really glad that Neerb’s idea from back in the day is gaining traction again. I really liked it when it was first proposed.

I also really like GLogus’ too.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

CamSMurph said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

“Truer to the filmmakers’ intentions?” 🤨

Don’t mean to speak for JarJar but I don’t really understand the confusion here.

What were J.J.'s intentions for TFA exactly?

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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CamSMurph said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

CamSMurph said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That’s what I like about Hal’s edits: they don’t deviate too much from the original film, they mostly seek to enhance what’s already there.

“Truer to the filmmakers’ intentions?” 🤨

Don’t mean to speak for JarJar but I don’t really understand the confusion here.

What were J.J.'s intentions for TFA exactly?

It’s meant to be a retread of the original Star Wars, and leave a lot up in the air for future installments. Hal’s Restructure simply alleviates some of the glaringly obvious copy/paste things, along with some moments that went a bit too far.

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Can this topic move to another thread? I don’t want Hal’s thread to get derailed by other such topics.

Right now, it’s best to focus on completing the remaining VFX and ideas for Rey Nobody as well. We’re just an inch away from V2 becoming a reality.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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I didn’t mean to derail, my intention in posting all of what I said was that I think what we have locked for v2 now is a significant improvement over the original while still residing within what was ultimately decided for the film. My two cents is that a lot of these other ideas on Palpatine’s plan have their merits, but may belong in a Starlight/Rekindled branch of this project.

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I plan to do some toying around with Rey Nobody once V2 is released.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I didn’t mean to derail, my intention in posting all of what I said was that I think what we have locked for v2 now is a significant improvement over the original while still residing within what was ultimately decided for the film. My two cents is that a lot of these other ideas on Palpatine’s plan have their merits, but may belong in a Starlight/Rekindled branch of this project.

Poppa should get on that, actually. See what he can do with the material at his disposal.

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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Why is it poppa’s responsibility? I don’t understand. He’s super busy anyway, and we’re lucky he’s been able to contribute so much to this project already.

Like Lawdog said, we should stick with discussing Ascendant on this thread. We’re literally theorizing about completely different edits at this point.

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Hal 9000 said:

If the key ingredient of the idea is Palpatine knowingly trying to drain the dyad, I don’t think the footage is there to establish what’s happening, as he holds his hands up in surprise to exposit what’s happening.

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams.

I guess the question is… can we make something doable for V2 for this idea and can anyone assist to make it happen?

The Skywalker Saga:
I / II / III / IV / V / VI / VII / VIII / IX
This is the way.

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Atom-88 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams. But by this point my TFA edit is a diet version of Nev’s Starlight, and my TLJ edit is a diet version of poppasketti’s Rekindled, so I wonder what this edit will end up a diet version of??

I don’t see them as Diet Hal, without your hard work we wouldn’t have half of what we have.

Agreed. If anything, the theatricals are Diet Hal, and Nev and I made Hal X-Treme and Hal Code Red.

I should add that I’m not currently working on any version of TROS other than Ascendant. This project is already well beyond the scope of anything I would have cooked up.

Edit: I do have a possible contribution for a Rey Nobody edit that I shared here (probably a year ago at this point! But it’s in my Master Clips folder) where Rey answers “Just Rey” at the end.

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Oh, I wasn’t trying to be self-deprecating with my “diet” comment! On the contrary, I’m pleased to have projects I’ve overseen go on to greater things! (Even if I prefer the diet version personally.)

And I think what’ll be best for V2 of Ascendant for Palpatine is what we’ve already done, just working out a few of the kinks of the plot mechanics without radically altering them. But I reiterate, I would genuinely like to see these ideas be developed in the main TROS ideas thread and coalesce into something.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

And I think what’ll be best for V2 of Ascendant for Palpatine is what we’ve already done, just working out a few of the kinks of the plot mechanics without radically altering them. But I reiterate, I would genuinely like to see these ideas be developed in the main TROS ideas thread and coalesce into something.

Same. Especially the “Palpatine knew about the dyad the whole time” idea. Since that was thrown around in pre-production.

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