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And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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I think Merry’s line is fine. As was stated above, he’s supposed to be a Sith/Palpatine expert or whatever. Just because he knows about Grandpa Sheev doesn’t mean everybody knows. Granted, the line is stupid as hell from a generic writing perspective; but that’s not a good enough reason to have an abrupt cut in the middle of the scene. I say leave it alone.

As for the lightsaber, I think it makes more sense narratively to just cut Rey forfeiting the saber to Leia; but Hal said he’s not worried about it, so we shouldn’t worry about it.

I will say one more thing about Pasaana though: even if we keep the “necklace tracking” thingy, perhaps we should still cut Poe’s line about “There are always First Order troops around these parts.” Mainly because, if the First Order has been hanging around for a while here, and their presence is known, Why are the locals putting on a puppet show about Luke defeating and humiliating them?

I definitely think the new puppet show should be included - it has substantial benefit for the finale of the movie - but do we think it’ll be weird that this seemingly primitive culture is doing this right in front of the First Order, and kids are laughing at the First Order, and the First Order isn’t doing anything to shut them down?

If we cut Poe’s line, there’ll be no indication that there are Stormtroopers around - hence, why they feel safe enough to put on the puppet show. Of course, that would mean the audience would either have to infer that there was some random, surprise patrol on the planet before the First Order knew that Rey & Co. were there; or we’d have to cut the “tracking” scene too, and imply that the First Order always knew that they were there. They’re not there doing a random patrol (which the Pig People would have anticipated, in that context); they’re only there to hunt the Heroes.

I genuinely want to hear people’s thoughts.

TL;DR: Three options:

  1. The Pasaanians are making fun of the First Order directly in front of the First Order, and the First Order don’t care, son.
  2. No one knew that there would be a First Order patrol at the party. The First Order didn’t know that Rey & Co. were going to be there. The First Order just manages to happen upon them in this whole gigantic desert planet out of luck.
  3. The First Order doesn’t have to “track” them to Pasaana at all. They already know that they’re there, and they try to catch them in a trap (which is thwarted by Lando).
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Hal 9000 said:

And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

Got the best idea: whoever you see the books, add in Luke saying “Sacred texts!”

Genius I am, yes.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Hal 9000 said:

And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

It’s hard for me to understand how some people are able to overlook small errors like that without going crazy, but I guess I’m in the minority because of that lmao. Maybe I’m the crazy one.

You have a similar thing happen in your The Approaching Storm edit if you didn’t know. It has to do with Anakin’s lightsaber appearing and disappearing because you removed him losing it to begin with in the chase scene.

Not a whole lot you can do about it without removing even more stuff (or doing some insane VFX).

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It’s the kind of thing that happens all the time when editing a movie. I dunno what more to say about it.

And about the “random First Order patrols,” I think if you removed that line from the sequence the way we have it laid out, it would make the trooper come out of nowhere even more so than in the original. And that trooper has to be there because it’s how we meet Lando.

If you removed the line and reverted the sequence to the theatrical, suddenly the First Order are able to arrive comically quickly after analyzing the necklace.

I think the current implementation is the best approach, all things considered.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Hey, Adywan does wonderful stuff and even though his edits won’t ever be my personal go-to’s they’re uber-impressive, like a fun remix. (I guess maybe they feel too different, I don’t know.)

I can be pretty anally retentive too, but not usually about the technicality of the visuals. Plus I wouldn’t know how to go about 99% of what he does for his edits or perhaps I would!

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Hal 9000 said:

And about the “random First Order patrols,” I think if you removed that line from the sequence the way we have it laid out, it would make the trooper come out of nowhere even more so than in the original. And that trooper has to be there because it’s how we meet Lando.

If you removed the line and reverted the sequence to the theatrical, suddenly the First Order are able to arrive comically quickly after analyzing the necklace.

I think the current implementation is the best approach, all things considered.

I think we can work around that, honestly. I did this really quickly, so as usual with my mock ups, the audio would need a bit more work to smooth out, but check this out:

https://streamable.com/xup8e2

I mirrored the shot of Lando to match the eye lines, and cut the Stormtrooper. You’d just need to carry over the “suspense” music cue and you’d be set.

So picture it: Kylo tells Rey that they’re about to catch them, grabbing the necklace as a symbolic gesture, rather than a plot contrivance. The Trio start running for it, when they’re intercepted by this mysterious stranger. Is it a First Order operative? An ally? Who knows? He hasn’t done anything to help or hurt them so far, so we have SUSPENSE!

Ideally, I’d love to add some voice over about “The First Order is looking for you,” or maybe a line from the Trio about “Who are you?” And cut the “Leia sent me a message” to keep his intentions uncertain until he takes off the mask.

EDIT: Maybe trim up Lando’s turn in the first shot too, so that he doesn’t change direction with the mirror.

EDIT 2: Same idea, but mirrored the shot of the heroes running instead of Lando. I don’t think anyone would notice the weapons changing sides, given how frenetic the shot is anyway; plus, this would have the added benefit of normalizing the screen direction. Now the sequence goes:

Rey runs to right -> Heroes run to right -> See Lando to the right -> Follow him to the right

Rather than the original sequence of:

Rey runs right -> Everyone turns around and heads back to the left -> Sees a Stormtrooper that way -> Lando shoots from behind them and back the way they just came at the right?? -> Lando is now magically behind them to the right??? -> Follow Lando ahead and to the right, I think? Or they just go back the direction they just came from?

What…? Where is any of this occurring in space? Where are they going? Why can’t any of this action be tracked visually?

https://streamable.com/0lx0hr

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The way they comically Scooby-Doo gang slide into each other is way too sudden makes no sense now. And they’re following a guy who looks like an evil bounty hunter or spy just because he asked? That makes them look like gullible fools.
I just see it as The First Order just patrols planets at random. Might be on a red flag list for whatever reason. It doesn’t really matter. We are losing the plot here.

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I really don’t see the point of cutting this moment, I honestly think its fine how it is.

It gets to a point where things get altered or cut just because, sometimes feels pointless changing

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Icecream2448 said:

The way they comically Scooby-Doo gang slide into each other is way too sudden makes no sense now. And they’re following a guy who looks like an evil bounty hunter or spy? That makes them look like gullible fools.
I just see it as The First Order just patrols planets at random. Might be on a red flag list for whatever reason. It doesn’t really matter. We are losing the plot here.

I mean, I didn’t change the timing of them sliding into each other. That’s exactly how it is in the Theatrical.

My original point was just that it feels weird that the Pasaanians would put on a puppet show mocking the First Order, directly in front of the FO troops. If there are no patrols, we avoid that. But I was curious if people even felt that that would be odd in the first place. If it’s just me, then it’s a non-issue; but I thought we might want to consider that angle.

Also, personally, I just find it super duper convenient that Kylo was only able to find Rey because an alien pig child gave her a necklace 95 seconds earlier. I’d rather not know how he found her, personally, if that’s the alternative. Takes some of the mystery out of it; but that’s just my preference, and largely a separate issue if we cut that one guy out. We can still cut the one guy and leave the tracking in. That’s cool too.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

It’s hard for me to understand how some people are able to overlook small errors like that without going crazy, but I guess I’m in the minority because of that lmao. Maybe I’m the crazy one.

You have a similar thing happen in your The Approaching Storm edit if you didn’t know. It has to do with Anakin’s lightsaber appearing and disappearing because you removed him losing it to begin with in the chase scene.

Not a whole lot you can do about it without removing even more stuff (or doing some insane VFX).

You have to remember when you watch a movie it’s for entertainment and you’re not out to analyze every little detail and pick it apart. Even regular movies without being fan-edited contain dozens of little inconsistencies and errors with entire websites dedicated to listing every single flaw. So in a fan edit it’s the same deal, some things seep through the cracks that you really just don’t care about or would be too hard to fix, but the alternative (leaving it un-edited) contains more flaws, it’s a cost benefit thing where pros outweigh the cons.

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Them falling into each other isn’t the problem. Randomly stopping like that for a guy, out of nowhere, who only speaks after they’ve stopped makes no sense lol.

And it’s not that convenient how Kylo finds them. It’s a use of their dyad being able to send things back and forth ability. Showing how much can be literally sent over now (more than just droplets of water) and thus a set up for the end with the lightsaber. And having a point to him taking the necklace too, not just him randomly grabbing her… for intimidation or something? I remember being weirded out by that for the first watch, but having a wave of realization that he was using the necklace for this purpose.

And now with us adding the puppet show and having Rey feel even more longing for a family and all that, the alien asking for her name and casually giving her the necklace is even more poignant and important to dwell on for Rey’s character. Maybe grabbing the necklace is now super symbolic of evil Kylo Ren trying to take away her happiness? Could look at it that way.

Point is, I think all of this is needed in the way this movie works, we can’t get rid of it. How it’s currently edited in this edit works well enough by letting this breathe better.

Save the Sebastian Shaw Ghost! Save the dream…!

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I think we’re pretty much set at this point with possible changes. I’d like to be proven wrong, but that’s just how I feel.

Looking forward to seeing puppet show samples in the near future.

I’d really like to see that implemented and a couple small other things already on the table

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If First Order presence on a planet makes no sense with also having a puppet show… then just say that the one patrol trooper in that densely populated village had a lot of ground to cover.

I’m sure you could write a wookieepedia article about the guy who runs this puppet show. I bet he has a rich backstory and history of trying to teach kids the real truth about the universe as the evil dictatorship breathes down his neck, unaware of his secret antics. Whatever, lol.

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Icecream2448 said:

Them falling into each other isn’t the problem. Randomly stopping like that for a guy, out of nowhere, who only speaks after they’ve stopped makes no sense lol.

And it’s not that convenient how Kylo finds them. It’s a use of their dyad being able to send things back and forth ability. Showing how much can be literally sent over now (more than just droplets of water) and thus a set up for the end with the lightsaber. And having a point to him taking the necklace too, not just him randomly grabbing her… for intimidation or something? I remember being weirded out by that for the first watch, but having a wave of realization that he was using the necklace for this purpose.

Point is, I think all of this is needed in the way this movie works, we can’t get rid of it. How it’s currently edited in the edit works well enough by letting this breathe better.

He’s a mysterious stranger, in unique armor, staring specifically at them, holding a crossbow, in the middle of a party. Wouldn’t you be a little weirded out?

If the necklace stuff works for you, then that’s great. I would have preferred it to be a character moment/intimidation tactic, but that’s just me. I don’t speak for everyone.

Like I said, my original point was just asking whether or not anyone here thinks it will be odd to have the locals mocking the First Order directly in front of the First Order troopers. That’s the question I’m offering for debate. Yes or no.

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Movies Remastered said:

Can you imagine the day when we can all sit back and watch the complete revisited OT and these sequels as one huge marathon! 😍

I actually started doing that with some friends of mine a few months ago when I discovered these edits. I somehow just assumed by the time we got to TROS that there’d be a Rey Nobody version complete or close to it. I hadn’t considered at that point just how much goes into making these things, even before scope creep set in.

And yeah, I think the past few weeks have been a visual representation of that scope creep. A lot of really intense argument over single lines that just don’t matter all that much except in isolation. And hey, I did it too, I’m not pretending to be innocent here. But like…okay, I like MR’s “We’ll always be with you”, right? But in the theater, I can’t say the lack of that line or a line like it was what I thought the movie was in dire need of, you know?

Maybe I just respond better to big visual changes (actually scratch that, I certainly do), but a lot of these minor dialogue squabbles read as kind of silly to me in a series where Luke’s final pivotal character moment has him say “I’ll not leave you” in complete earnest.

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I think the pages of discussion over single lines are a consequence of two things. Firstly, there’s very little material to work with for TROS: no deleted scenes and a really tightly edited movie to begin with. Secondly, it’s one of the more underwhelming Star Wars movies, and the new ending of the Saga too, so there’s a strong drive to try to improve it. It winds up with everyone getting a little desperate.

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When you back up and look at the whole thing, I’m pretty amazed by what we’ve been able to pull off. And I’d rather avoid changes that could potentially break immersion into the edit.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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sade1212 said:

I think the pages of discussion over single lines are a consequence of two things. Firstly, there’s very little material to work with for TROS: no deleted scenes and a really tightly edited movie to begin with. Secondly, it’s one of the more underwhelming Star Wars movies, and the new ending of the Saga too, so there’s a strong drive to try to improve it. It winds up with everyone getting a little desperate.

To add to this, in my opinion, TROS suffers not just from a bad story, but also a pretty awful script. I’d say the majority of the lines are either awkward, or stupid, or they ret-con stuff that’s already established. So a lot of this discussion has been trying to find the worst offenders (and everyone has their own opinions of what the worst offenders are), and then trying to determine if they can be changed or removed without breaking the entire film.

And for a film that’s already being held together with twigs and paper clips, that’s a very fine line.

What’s already been accomplished is nothing short of staggering.

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I suppose if the discourse is worth it to you guys, there’s not much harm. I was just worried it might burn some people out, and I’d hate to see this stuff go to waste. If I’m wrong, then that’s fine.

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Didn’t quite have enough time to upload another pass at Ach-To during a (staff meeting), complete aside from any identified issues. Will do this evening!

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guys, guys, hear me out

Why don’t we explode the Tantive IV during the “Sheev Palpatine earrapes the Resistance” sequence?

sounds silly, but it breaks the incongruency of Rey’s lightning exploding ships and Palpatine’s don’t, also, it gives a little more weight and CONSEQUENCE to the movie (holy shit Nien Numb was on that ship and it was the first ship we saw in star wars RIP Tantive IV), it would have been a ballsy move if the movie had it done.

If yall remember, in that bizarre video, “The True Rise of Skywalker”, the editor made the Tantive explode, and it looked pretty good and convincing…

So… please?

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