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I’d take cloning over “survival” any day.

In ways, I k i n d a get the direction they were going since Palps was so relevant in the first two trilogies. Especially with the prequels about the whole life and death thing … so I k i n d a get what they were going for.

The main issue, as many many many people have broughten up is both the execution and the lack of cohesion in the new trilogy. I am working hard not to be completely sour about it and work with what we go. It may not be the trilogy we asked for, but it is what we deserve.

Lol, I say this very jokingly since there was so much dissapointment about the prequels. And people wanted the next trilogy to feel more like the original movies, but there was some disappointment about TFA being too similar to ANH. So then TLJ went to do something different, but then there was hatred there.

Regardless, I think there is something that cane be salvaged to at least make it more entertaining to watch. As I’ve said before, with HAL’s edits of the prequels, I enjoy watching those a lot … so it can be done!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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They should be caring about making good stories instead of pandering to clueless fan’s whims (us).

Peace is a lie
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Ultimately the issue was lack of direction and not having a strong lead to oversee the direction of all three movies to make sure they are cohesive … instead of leaving it up to each director to do whatever they heck they want regardless of what happened. It’s like the opposite of Marvel’s style, which is why the Marvel cinematic universe is working.

Anyway, not to derail this into a discussion that doesn’t fit the thread for this fan edit as opposed to the other discussion threads, I am curious if any new ideas has come up with attempting a realistic Rey Nobody. I am on the fence still about it, but curious if there is any decent leads.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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jarbear said:

Ultimately the issue was lack of direction and not having a strong lead to oversee the direction of all three movies to make sure they are cohesive … instead of leaving it up to each director to do whatever they heck they want regardless of what happened. It’s like the opposite of Marvel’s style, which is why the Marvel cinematic universe is working.

Marvel actually does pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, not to derail this into a discussion that doesn’t fit the thread for this fan edit as opposed to the other discussion threads, I am curious if any new ideas has come up with attempting a realistic Rey Nobody. I am on the fence still about it, but curious if there is any decent leads.

I don’t know about new ideas, but I have a pretty ironed out plan for it. Of course it’s all just on paper for now. How convincing it or other solutions end up being will probably have to wait until we can see them in action.

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Well idir_hh had a great idea about Rey having killed her parents. If this is done along the lines of her parents being scumbags who abandoned her then this would fit nicely with Rey Nobody. She killed her crappy parents, blocked the memory, and waited for them to return.

heil Palpatine!

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krausfadr said:

Well idir_hh had a great idea about Rey having killed her parents. If this is done along the lines of her parents being scumbags who abandoned her then this would fit nicely with Rey Nobody. She killed her crappy parents, blocked the memory, and waited for them to return.

It’s a decent idea (I think I remember it being tossed around awhile ago). It certainly feeds into Rey fearing her dark side-ness. If I remember correctly, there’s a moment where Rey says “He killed my parents.” You could probably swap “he” for “I” and the mouth movement would still fit.

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I think it would put Rey on an even footing with kylo on an emotion level, in the hanger scene you can have Kylo tell Rey “we are heirs of the darkside and we will take it’s throne” really lean in on the similarities between them -the “dyad”. this would make the ending far more impactfull (especially if we make ben live) as we have them both reject their innate darkness and begin a new future with the light- it rhymes.

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idir_hh said:

I think it would put Rey on an even footing with kylo on an emotion level, in the hanger scene you can have Kylo tell Rey “we are heirs of the darkside and we will take it’s throne” really lean in on the similarities between them -the “dyad”. this would make the ending far more impactfull (especially if we make ben live) as we have them both reject their innate darkness and begin the future with the light-It rhymes.

And then Rey still struggles with the dark side as if the fact that she rejected her inner darkness meant nothing at all, just like Luke in The Last Jedi where he has a dark side temptation to murder the sleeping Ben Solo as if rejecting his inner darkness after realizing that he is following in Vader’s footsteps meant nothing at all.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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You can never get rid of your darkside, you can reject it, fight it, but never get rid of it. Its a constant battle and that’s the point. Taking the path of the light is vowing to fight this battle.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

I think it would put Rey on an even footing with kylo on an emotion level, in the hanger scene you can have Kylo tell Rey “we are heirs of the darkside and we will take it’s throne” really lean in on the similarities between them -the “dyad”. this would make the ending far more impactfull (especially if we make ben live) as we have them both reject their innate darkness and begin a new future with the light- it rhymes.

I’d be careful to use the word “heir” in a Rey Nobody edit in that context.

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I also think Jenny Nicholson had that exact same idea on her TROS review.

I do think it is one of the better alternatives, because you could arguably keep a lot of what is already there. Palpatine could even tell Kylo, “She is not who you think she is” and he reveals this truth to Kylo. Rey still battles with a dark past, but instead of it being about bloodline, it is about something bad she did that she had blocked out of her memory. It also ties in well with her being possibly afraid of repeating the same thing and hurting her new family, she makes a tree fall on BB-8, she almost kills Chewie, and she uses the Force to push Finn away on the Death Star. And finally, she almost kills Kylo. While Kylo isn’t a part of her family, she obviously has complicated feelings for him. That last act was enough to make her decide she was too dangerous and thought exiling herself would be better for everyone else. Plus, I could see this shocking reveal having a more positive reaction from the audience than “You’re a Palpatine.” Most importantly, it keeps the focus on who Rey is, rather than other people around her did in the past.

One downside is that I don’t see a way to tie that into Ochi, the dagger, and his ship without it being really convoluted. The imagery of young Rey blowing up the ship with Force lightning is really interesting, but for one, you would have to make it a different ship than Ochi’s, because I think the similarity would confuse people and assume there is a connection. The dagger could just be an object imbued with the dark side, and can trigger violent visions or memories.
Another think I kind of don’t like about it is that it paints Rey as being powerful in the Force even at a young age, and I prefer the idea that Rey may have shown no special abilities until she started this journey in The Force Awakens. Maybe when she killed her parents was one of the first times her connection with the Force really were displayed, and Rey was so shocked at what she had done, she not only blocked out the memory but also rejected that connection to the Force she had. It could be part of the reason she reacted so viscerally to the Force calling to her in Maz’s castle.

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Exactly, the trauma would result in her blocking her memories and subsequently her ability to use the force, hence The Force Awakens. Concerning Ochi and the ship, what if Rey’s parents paid for transport on Ochi’s ship with the money they got from selling Rey, we can turn Passana into Jakkund just assume that the ship ended up getting repaired after it got electrocuted.

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In my mind, there’s really only two main issues. Ochi’s ship matching the ship in Rey’s flashback, and Kylo’s dialogue. Visually change the look of the ship in the flashback, and untangling the rest of the parents/Ochi connection is simple - Rey doesn’t mention recognizing the ship, Ochi has nothing to do with her parents, we don’t see him kill her parents in the flashback. The dagger doesn’t trigger her flashback in the existing film anyway, it’s Kylo saying something like “remember them” while they’re fighting.

In effect you’d just remove Palpatine’s involvement in her parents death at all. So Kylo brings up her parents to remind her that she actually killed them (implied that Palpatine told him), and uses it as fuel to get her to join him on the dark side. Palpatine is only referenced as the thing they need to join together to beat. Some of the dialogue to fit this is already there, but there’ll also need to be some extra Kylo dialogue to do some heavy lifting. The question is if that dialogue can actually be cobbled together with what exists out there.

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Lego sw the skywalker saga, lego sw TFA, the battlefront games and toys might have some usable audio for Kylo. I think having Jakku instead of Passana in the third act of the ST would make Rey’s arch go full circle, intercut the flash-back of her electrocuting Ochi’s ship with her blowing up Chewies transport, having Ochie’s ship from the flash back right beside her as she discovers her past all while its on Jakku is a narrative opportunity that should be looked into.

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idir_hh said:

Lego sw the skywalker saga, lego sw TFA, the battlefront games and toys might have some usable audio for Kylo. I think having Jakku instead of Passana in the third act of the ST would make Rey’s arch go full circle, intercut the flash-back of her electrocuting Ochi’s ship with her blowing up Chewies transport, I think having the Ochie’s ship from the flash back right beside her as she does this is a narrative opportunity that should be taken.

It doesn’t make sense if it’s the same ship though, because in this version she blew it up.

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It doesn’t necessarily have to blow up, it can get electrocuted - frying its passengers- and crash land.

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idir_hh said:

It doesn’t necessarily have to blow up, it can get electrocuted - frying its passengers- and crash land.

Which would make it an idea that is significantly harder to accomplish.

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And more complicated for the audience to understand.

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It could be illustrated this way: Ochi’s ship flies followed by lighting -lightning circulates the ship -fade to black with crash land SFX.

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idir_hh said:

It could be illustrated this way: Ochi’s ship flies followed by lighting -lightning circulates the ship -fade to black with crash land SFX.

Putting aside RL’s point above, why is Ochi involved at all?

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Ochi could be cut out of the film completely, Its really the ship that has any significance to Rey, her seeing it triggers something in her that slowly unravels her memories, it would also be kinda poetic for her do declare “I killed my parents” as you suggested on the same ship that they were on.

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idir_hh said:

I think it would put Rey on an even footing with kylo on an emotion level, in the hanger scene you can have Kylo tell Rey “we are heirs of the darkside and we will take it’s throne” really lean in on the similarities between them -the “dyad”. this would make the ending far more impactfull (especially if we make ben live) as we have them both reject their innate darkness and begin a new future with the light- it rhymes.

Yes. Very much so.

No Rey Palpatine.

Rey killed her parents.

Leia heals Ben (maybe).

Ben lives.

This will require a lot of modified Kylo dialogue.

heil Palpatine!

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idir_hh said:

You can never get rid of your darkside, you can reject it, fight it, but never get rid of it. Its a constant battle and that’s the point. Taking the path of the light is vowing to fight this battle.

To be fair Yoda conquered his dark side in The Clone Wars and yet he never struggled with it ever again

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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idir_hh said:

You can never get rid of your darkside, you can reject it, fight it, but never get rid of it. Its a constant battle and that’s the point. Taking the path of the light is vowing to fight this battle.

To be fair Yoda conquered his dark side in The Clone Wars and yet he never struggled with it ever again

Pressuring Luke to kill his father isn’t very lightside ; )

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idir_hh said:

Ochi could be cut out of the film completely, Its really the ship that has any significance to Rey, her seeing it triggers something in her that slowly unravels her memories, it would also be kinda poetic for her do declare “I killed my parents” as you suggested on the same ship that they were on.

Again great idea for Rey to kill her parents, sorry I didn’t pick up on it much earlier in another thread. It’s so much better than the screenplay where Kylo killed them.

Proposed background (this doesn’t all have to be portrayed or spoken of in an edit):

The Emperor senses the power of young Rey and has Snoke order her killing.

Snoke sends Kylo, age 16 to find Rey.

The Emperor also dispatches his own agent, Ochi to find Rey.

Rey’s parents sell her for drinking money before Ochi ever finds her.

As Rey’s parents depart in the ship, Rey in a fit of rage forces the ship down and it crashes, killing them.

Kylo arrives to find Rey bringing down the ship, she goes unconscious. He feels a connection with her.

Kylo lets Rey live, buries the parents bodies to hide the evidence, and lets Rey go.

heil Palpatine!