Movies Remastered said:
I cut the tug of war but if you cut the lightening then you’ll need to cut the following Rey chat with Finn and Chewies rescue?
Yep and all references to Chewy’s death has to get cut too. You can make a case for leaving in the moment in Kijimi when Rey realizes Chewy is still alive. They know he’s captured and could have been killed.
I wasn’t really able to extend Boolio’s shots through reversing footage.
And adding subtitles feels really sudden to me, and it’s a lot of information to take in real fast.
I thought about removing Finn seeming surprised about there being a spy, but maybe there’s no point in doing so since Boolio seems to be informing him there is one.
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Love that rearranged opening, though I really wish there were some way to reveal the ships without them magically emerging from the ground. Likewise I’d forgotten how much I immediately facepalm at “Somehow, Palpatine has returned” line, as others have mentioned. Not much possible for either of those I’d guess.
It’s too bad Boolio’s shot is so quick, but I agree it doesn’t make sense to make it awkward, even if that does seem to be the best place to add in some attempts at retconning the fleet.
Yeah that’s too bad I guess.
Speaking of the destroyers rising, what about moving that up to when Palpatine says to Pride “the final Order begins”? I think not seeing them until the 3rd act builds up anticipation instead of revealing all the cards in the first few minutes of the opening.
They’re also just floating there for no apparent reason for 3 quarters of the film.
Peace is a lie
There is only passion…
Can I get a link to the new opening? Thanks!
Yeah that’s too bad I guess.
Speaking of the destroyers rising, what about moving that up to when Palpatine says to Pride “the final Order begins”? I think not seeing them until the 3rd act builds up anticipation instead of revealing all the cards in the first few minutes of the opening.
They’re also just floating there for no apparent reason for 3 quarters of the film.
that’s an insteresting idea, almost seens like the ships were being build during the movie
maybe a line during the FO meeting about “moving precious resources and personel to repair outdated ships” could help with this…
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maybe a line during the FO meeting about “moving precious resources and personel to repair outdated ships” could help with this…
That’s a great idea! It could be slipped into that board room scene. I might have to try this.
Yeah that’s too bad I guess.
Speaking of the destroyers rising, what about moving that up to when Palpatine says to Pride “the final Order begins”? I think not seeing them until the 3rd act builds up anticipation instead of revealing all the cards in the first few minutes of the opening.
They’re also just floating there for no apparent reason for 3 quarters of the film.
I’ve tinkered around with using that moment as the big show of force, since everyone is cutting Kijimi’s destruction. It works pretty well, since something does need to replace the big cannons thematically. Poe is completely hopeless in the next scene, and that doesn’t work if we haven’t seen the Final Order do something huge. If the fleet bursting out of the ground goes where Kijimi blowing up used to be, it’s relatively seamless.
Interesting idea, I’ll have to experiment with it! It might let us keep that hopeless Poe scene before he speaks to Leia’s body.
And if anyone can record that line for the board room scene and find a good place to insert it, that’d be good. As long as it works, it’s a great idea.
EDIT: Well, it might be awkward to have Palpatine just offer Kylo a vague “Final Order” “might” during the opening, and a subsequent reference to “outdated ships” or whatever wouldn’t make immediate sense. 😕
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In regards to the first scene, has anyone looked at the BBC show ‘The Planets’? There are plenty of establishing shots of Lava planets and red desert planets that could potentially stand in for Mustafar.
I had an idea that you could show TIEs flying over lava, perhaps past Vader’s castle, then over red desert/sea and toward trees ending with the forest battle. I’m not sure how seamless it would be to make all the shots feel like the same planet though.
Either way I’d highly recommend checking the show out, it’s beautiful!
EDIT: Well, it might be awkward to have Palpatine just offer Kylo a vague “Final Order” “might” during the opening, and a subsequent reference to “outdated ships” or whatever wouldn’t make immediate sense. 😕
In the board meeting the FO officers are upset about of Kylo Ren’s decision of helping the Emperor, they don’t belive in Palpatine and his vague promisse, but Kylo even says that “what he saw in Exegol could turn the FO into a real Empire”, so he saw the destroyers there at some point, but we as audience did not, works like a build up to the reveal of what is the Final Order when Palps talks to Pryde and the destroyers emerges from the ice…
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Hal 9000 said:
EDIT: Well, it might be awkward to have Palpatine just offer Kylo a vague “Final Order” “might” during the opening, and a subsequent reference to “outdated ships” or whatever wouldn’t make immediate sense. 😕
That’s the point, it creates anticipation for when the heroes find Exogol. The audience doesn’t see it but Kylo does, “with what I’ve seen on Exogol, the first order is about to become a true empire”.
Peace is a lie
There is only passion…
if the destroyers haven’t appeared in the trailers and only showed up in the theather at the end of the movie i would have been REALLY surprised (for good)
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
I’ll see what can be done. I think we’ll need some cutaway shots so Palpatine can still tell Kylo “(The might of the Final Order will soon be ready.) It will be yours to command if you do as I ask.”
Cutting to the large stadium area would maybe be weird since that was kept for later. There’s really not much else to cull from that I am aware.
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I’ll see what can be done. I think we’ll need some cutaway shots so Palpatine can still tell Kylo “(The might of the Final Order will soon be ready.) It will be yours to command if you do as I ask.”
Cutting to the large stadium area would maybe be weird since that was kept for later. There’s really not much else to cull from that I am aware.
Maybe could be shots from the sith throne, the first time we see the throne is during Rey/Kylo’s vision, i think to introduce the throne in the first Exegol scene is better than introduce it in a flash during a vision, and makes the vision works better since it looks like Kylo is making her see what he saw on Exegol
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
What could you give me?
“Everything” - Cut to the Throne- the Sith Cultist stadium.
The throne signifies the promise of power. The crowds are a great demonstration of scope gravitas and influence.
Peace is a lie
There is only passion…
This is a tad off topic, but I think a way to fix some of the pacing the first act is to separate Rey and Kylo’s visions (like Dominic is planning on doing). The quick cut to Kylo is where I feel the most whiplash with this movie. The rest of the edit is pretty damn great though
I didn’t exactly have lots of time to give to it, but it seems like there’ll be a hell of a handful of seconds to fill with reused shots in order to move the Final Order reveal to later.
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The destroyers breaking through the surface is a nice visual but seems pointless and unrealistic in every way. I like the idea of revealing them later in the film (preferably already in flight).
I’ve been wrong before but it doesn’t seem advisable with what we have to work with.
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I went ahead and mocked up trying to fix Poe’s somehow line… it is only a first version so I’m still coming up with ideas but here is the link. I also removed the “Secrets only the Sith knew…” I’ve never personally had an issue with the line but it might be nice to see what it looked like.
https://vimeo.com/430565762
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Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y
I went ahead and mocked up trying to fix Poe’s somehow line… it is only a first version so I’m still coming up with ideas but here is the link. I also removed the “Secrets only the Sith knew…” I’ve never personally had an issue with the line but it might be nice to see what it looked like.
https://vimeo.com/430565762
pw: fanedit
Not a bad first attempt, needs some work, but a pretty good start.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I went ahead and mocked up trying to fix Poe’s somehow line… it is only a first version so I’m still coming up with ideas but here is the link. I also removed the “Secrets only the Sith knew…” I’ve never personally had an issue with the line but it might be nice to see what it looked like.
https://vimeo.com/430565762
pw: fanedit
Eh, I don’t love the line, but I’d prefer to leave it as is so you don’t have to awkwardly cut away when he delivers it. I also think the “Secrets only the Sith knew” line was fine. I question the logic in cutting things like this unless there’s a specific narrative purpose.
I went ahead and mocked up trying to fix Poe’s somehow line… it is only a first version so I’m still coming up with ideas but here is the link. I also removed the “Secrets only the Sith knew…” I’ve never personally had an issue with the line but it might be nice to see what it looked like.
https://vimeo.com/430565762
pw: faneditEh, I don’t love the line, but I’d prefer to leave it as is so you don’t have to awkwardly cut away when he delivers it. I also think the “Secrets only the Sith knew” line was fine. I question the logic in cutting things like this unless there’s a specific narrative purpose.
Yeah I just saw some others in the forum talking about it and thought it might be nice to see what it could theoretically look like
Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y
I went ahead and mocked up trying to fix Poe’s somehow line… it is only a first version so I’m still coming up with ideas but here is the link. I also removed the “Secrets only the Sith knew…” I’ve never personally had an issue with the line but it might be nice to see what it looked like.
https://vimeo.com/430565762
pw: fanedit
This is good for a v1 edit. I know movies remastered has a video on his channel about his edit of this scene and personally it’s what I would go with probably. Also I think removing leia’s “hiding in the shadows from the beginning” would be better for the scene, not a fan of cutting leias lines personally due to her short screen time but that one is just one I’d cut out.