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The Rise Of Skywalker — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * SPOILERS * — Page 11

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Well my second viewing was the same night as my first viewing, so that probably isn’t the best barometer, but for me the things that I didn’t like hit worse. I don’t know if I’ll see it again in theaters, but if I do I will report back.

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This movie is not the catastrophe that EP7 was but it is pretty close. It tries to ignore Episode 8 and the parts that we good about that as much as possible and just goes back to nonsensical, timey-whimey stuff. Okay, in contrast to Doctor Who, it is not timey-whimey but you get the idea.

Again, it is utterly more important to achieve a particular moment or shot than to have any coherent narrative. Aside from the following points:

Ryan-SWI said:

  • Palpatine is back and it’s not explained how.

  • Kylo goes to find him and it’s not explained why he was looking for him, or how he knows he’s alive.

  • Snoke was a clone made by Palpatine. Not explained how or why, or anything more said on the matter.

  • Palpatine somehow has a whole fleet of Star Destroyers with Death Star guns on them. Not explained how.

  • Rey is a Palpatine, her Dad was Palpatine’s son (not explained how), so Rey is his granddaughter.

  • Rey and Kylo can both save people from death and bring them back to life. Not explained how.

  • Luke retconned from being a sad old suicidal man to “secretly” keeping tabs on Palpatine.

  • Luke and Leia retconned to “know” Rey was a Palpatine the entire time.

  • Leia dies, horrifically forced and poorly handled.

  • Han is in it as a “memory” (???). Makes no sense whatsoever, but then neither does anything in this stupid movie.

  • Palpatine shoots lightning at Rey, who deflects it back to Palpatine (Palpatine apparently decides that simply not shooting lightning anymore makes too much sense), then dies.

  • Ben almost dies. Then he comes back. Then he dies. But wait no not actually. Then he dies (for real this time).

  • Rey steals the Skywalker name.

  • Force ghost Luke and Leia. Both look horrific and Leia is clearly CGI. Because nothing shouts “respect” like CGI’ing the ghost of a dead actress into your film for cheap nostalgia brownie points.

which one of the posts above already compiled, I must also add:

  • multiple rather important plot-threads (that probably should have happened in JJ’s version of Ep8) are just dumped at you in the opening credits, including Palpatine

  • the movie confirms Leia was trained as a Jedi (yeah!) by Luke but actually, that is pretty irrelevant for the story… so WHY NOW? Maybe the idea is to explain that she is Rey’s mentor/master/teacher now but the movie goes nowhere with it (probably due to a lack of Carrie Fisher Material)

  • the Sith not only have a “hidden” world now, they also have a Mordor’s BlackSpeech-like Language and are retconned to a sort of satanistic cultist group

  • the General Hux character is suddenly a traitor, because he starts disliking Kylo… now. Not that he was treated differently by Snoke or anything. Also, he is little more than a “get out of jail for free”-card

  • JJ’s Knights of Ren are back, and they are basically 6 Klingon’s in Metal Armor and they do pretty much nothing the entire movie, until they annoy the now light-sided Ben Solo / Kylo in the final act. And we learn, wait for it, nothing about who they are…

  • the whole “child-soldier of the First Order”-thing is again, brought up for 15 seconds and than quickly forgotten again because facing an uncomfortable subject with any actual idea of what to do is not JJ’s idea of Star Wars

  • speaking of the first’s Storm Troopers, this movie establishes that Finn is not the only deserter (aka conditioning failure) but does absolutely nothing with it. Also, if an entire “regiment” basically stops following orders, why the hell are the space nazi’s not having bigger issues supressing the galaxy?

  • the First Order is defeated off-screen because “the people rise up” in a montage depicting two burning Star Destroyer ships, one crashing over Jakku and another being watched by freaking Ewoks

  • by the way, the First Order had large galaxy-controlling army and is utterly unaffected by the movie’s climax, but what the hell (in RotJ, they at least lost key personal and resources)

  • this movie’s Emperor can wipe out entire fleets with force lightning if he wants to, why did the Rebellion win again?

  • the Emperor’s new fleet is instantly killable once they do no longer receive data from the “navigation dish”, for some reason…

Not everything was bad, sound and music were good, the special effects are obviously great and the direction, cinematography and camera werestellar in many places. Daisy Ridley gives a great performance, considering the material.
The issue remains with script and plot. Problem is, if that fails you, your movie will always be a disaster, no matter what else you offer.

No amount of fan-editing can save this movie, similar to TFA.

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RogueLeader said:

To be honest, despite my criticisms of certain story decisions, I also felt the movie was better on my second viewing. It is still fast but not as jarringly fast as it felt the first time around.

I know what you mean. I found it was a lot less frenetic when I knew where it was going. I also picked up on dialogue that justified a couple things that felt like they came out of nowhere the first time.

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joefavs said:

RogueLeader said:

To be honest, despite my criticisms of certain story decisions, I also felt the movie was better on my second viewing. It is still fast but not as jarringly fast as it felt the first time around.

I know what you mean. I found it was a lot less frenetic when I knew where it was going. I also picked up on dialogue that justified a couple things that felt like they came out of nowhere the first time.

Yeah, exactly. One example of this I recall is how in one scene Kylo tells some officers to alert local troops near Pasana to look for the gang, then it immediately cuts to a Stormtrooper telling the gang to freeze. But in an earlier scene Poe tells everyone to keep their head down because big gatherings tend to have First Order patrols. First viewing it felt like whiplash, and I can it is, but it didn’t feel as jarring the second time around partly because I picked up on that line.

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A more detailed review:

It was entertaining. I thought Ben’s redemption was kind of lame and predictable. None of what i think was supposed to have emotional power did much for me. The kiss was lame. The Emperor was lame. But it was a fun adventure

There’s a place for movies that are merely entertaining. But Star Wars should be more.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

Virgin since 1987, horny since 1999. Thank God I’m not an incel.

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I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

I don’t. DEs all the way! 😉

RogueLeader said:

I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

And the issue with that is? Why don’t you just try listening to an alternative opinion and make up your own mind at the end whether you agree or not or even just agree with some parts while discarding others. That’s all I do, I take new information or opinion on board, analyse it against my own view and go from there. Sometimes I dismiss it, other times it change’s my own opinion, often to a better and more informed one or one that isn’t so narrow in it’s scope anymore.

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I think at this point we should be back to erasing all references to a “chosen one” prophecy from the PT.

a trolling bantha

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Thor tends to have sensationalist clickbaity titles, so “Is the lore broken?” just seemed like something he would say. Not really commenting on his opinions.

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Valheru_84 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

I don’t. DEs all the way! 😉

RogueLeader said:

I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

And the issue with that is? Why don’t you just try listening to an alternative opinion and make up your own mind at the end whether you agree or not or even just agree with some parts while discarding others. That’s all I do, I take new information or opinion on board, analyse it against my own view and go from there. Sometimes I dismiss it, other times it change’s my own opinion, often to a better and more informed one or one that isn’t so narrow in it’s scope anymore.

You spread repeated negativity across the forum on here - and not much else. You claim to hate TFA/TLJ and not be bothered with TROS - yet you repeatedly post negatively about the film on here - a lot.

People like yourself, who continue to post this type of content (depsite you not seeing the film?), are the reason others have left here in the past, others have left here recently, and others are thinking about leaving too.

It is way beyond ‘valid criticism’ or opinion - it is an agenda. Some have said it is ‘like a crusade’ and I laughed heard when I heard that - but they are probably correct, it is certainly appearing that way.

I am only surprised the moderators here continue to allow it.

 

Maybe you should open up your own ‘Valheru opinion’ thread and post your thoughts in there rather than pollute the forums with anything that aligns with your endless and negative agenda. And post the videos of youtubers well known for only not liking the new Star Wars films (and profit from that hating on the film and the people who make them) which you agree with, and want other people to also view - despite not having seen the film yourself.
 

I think I’m done here for a few weeks here too. Maybe longer.

Tighten Up and then turn it all the way up to 11!

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I have seen it. I have to say that all the negative critics are full of it. Sure, many here don’t like it, but the BS the critics spewed was complete nonsense.

On my first viewing of TLJ, I could see things wrong with it. Same with AOTC many years earlier (and the SE version of the OT). On first viewing there is nothing to most of the theatrical version of the older films I would change. I like the original cuts of TPM, ROTS, ANH, TESB, ROTJ and TLJ. But AOTC and TFA need help. My first reaction to TROS was that this film needs nothing.

Star Wars tells a grand story and with such sweeping and epic stories there are things that must be glossed over to get to the core of the story. This film pulls in more, but sticks to the core story and doesn’t let the rest detract. Only the core 3 matter. First it was Liea, Luke, and Han, then Obi-wan, Padme, and Anakin, and now Poe, Finn, and Rey. I have found several hints that go back to TFA that indicate to me that Rey was always supposed to be a Palpatine. In TLJ Kylo gets a glimpse of her her parents and see nobodies, long dead. Nothing in TROS contradicts anything from the previous two films, it only carries on the story, sometimes in unexpected ways (like Vader is Luke’s father and then Leia is his sister). And those on the Dark side are not always completely truthful and other times the force does not reveal all the truth until the time is right. I found this to be a fitting and powerful end to the Skywalker saga. I took note of what Anakin said to Rey. He told her to balance the force as he once did. So his actions in ROTJ are validated, but Palpatine had a way around it and has come back. Very likely he was dead an what we see is his force animated zombie. Even the crawl says he was dead (the late Emperor). So Ankin briefly balanced the force but the evil lingered. With the previous generations of Jedi urging her on, Rey finds a way to destroy Palpatine. And his claim that he is all the Sith is chilling. It brings new horror to the dialog of ROTJ. It means that when he killed Darth Plagueis, Plagueis basically posessed him, as his master had possessed him, going back to the beginning. Suddenly the rule of two has a chilling meaning.

I did not find this film as rushed as AOTC or ROTS. I found the story well laid out and carefully plotted, giving us just enough of what we need to understand what was going on without getting too distracted. I felt this had a touch of the OT to it in how the story played out, thought it was much faster paced. The words of Lucas’s ANH directing ring in my ears… “faster and more intense” and with this I think Abrams has achieved what Lucas was after. The movie is fast and intense without losing itself to chaos. I found no plot holes on my first viewing (and on later viewings even the great OT sometimes has plot holes so that is nothing to worry about). While I do not think this rises to the greatness of the OT, it comes close (closer that Lucas did in 3 films of the PT). I feel that this vindicates the last attrocities of Abrams (TFA and his Star Trek films) and proves that if he has a solid ending he can deliver a great film.

And with the support of Luke and Leia, I think Rey deserves to claim the Skywalker name. The title of the film fits nicely. I thought some of the things would be a bit cheesy from the spoilers, but I found none of that in the film. I liked the moments of humor and found them very Star Wars appropriate. Lucas may have complaints about some of the story choices, but I think he should find the overall sequel trilogy a fitting end to his legacy. I think future generations are going to very much appreciate what has been put on film.

If you haven’t seen it yourself, you really shouldn’t be hating on it. See it for yourselves and make up your own minds. Even if you think you might agree with someone, don’t trust them and see it for yourself. It is worth at least one viewing.

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I was pretty surprised that they decided to release the Ridiculous Edit before the actual film this time around. Really subverted my expectations.

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I wasn’t going to go. I didn’t want to know anything post TLJ.
But after hearing the rumblings so far I was a bit curious. Today I had some spare time and went to the local independent theater to rip the band aid off in hopes that maybe just maybe it was at least-at the very lest able to work on a serial adventure style level.

What I’m the world did I just sit through?
It’s not “slap in the face infuriating and insulting” like TLJ was but much more akin to the empty vehicle making you feel dead inside TFA-except that it is nonsensical to the extreme and decides to lift most of its plot structure from ROTJ and continually go off track whilst cramming in virtually any callback possible whether situational, visual or audible.

I lost count of how many times I audibly groaned, facepalmed, laughed to myself in anguished WTF ness and had my mouth fall open in pure “it doesn’t work that way!” astonishment.

The length is ridiculous for the incredibly small plot and if one were to remove every unimportant scene it would run about an hour tops.

As usual it feels even more of a waste because the actors are on the whole quite good but literally are archetypes who do what the committee direct them to do.

I could rant and rave but overall it really is a trainwreck that manages to feel like a bit of both previous Disney main releases AND simultaneously the worst “let’s wrap this up” aspects of ROTJ all the while being astonishingly uninspired.

Nothing is really answered. Nothing seems achieved. What was the point of these? They really had no game plan. That’s the most stunning thing.

Sure they’ve got problems, sure we love to riff on those issues, sure they needed naysayers and more time and more drafts but the prequels are so excruciatingly more on target that it hurts.
AOTC is Shakespearean in comparison to this release. Even ROTS, which I think is the worst of the prequels, is light years ahead.

Well…at least ROS is better than TLJ…but that’s not saying much…and it is nearly as bad but just empty instead of insulting.

I am very happy that it’s over and Disney has fallen on their rear end. They needed to after this so called trilogy attempt.
This will not work like the Marveldom releases they keep cranking out. They found out he hard way it won’t fit through their preconceived holes. Thus the focus is now on tv streaming releases and not features.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.

“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford

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Star Wars fans are a strange lot. Those who strongly feel it will suck will pay to see it and those who already saw it and thought it sucked paid to see it again.

It’s like a mad search for meaning or a rekindling of a love that is long gone.

The OT were great. I fear it cannot be expanded on.

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luckydube56 said:

Star Wars fans are a strange lot. Those who strongly feel it will suck will pay to see it and those who already saw it and thought it sucked paid to see it again.

It’s like a mad search for meaning or a rekindling of a love that is long gone.

The OT were great. I fear it cannot be expanded on.

I’ve come to operate on the following assumption.

Some stuff’s good, some stuff’s bad. If it’s good, yay, I’ve found another piece of the awesome Star Wars universe to enjoy. If it’s bad, I can forget it ever existed. To that extent, Disney should make as many SW films as possible. Even if 99 suck, 1’s bound to be enjoyed.

If you haven’t been pleased by any of the Disney movies, that’s a shame, but don’t think they were a mistake from the first place. Because someday something good like the originals will arrive.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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I really enjoyed this movie, and seeing all the reviews and people rip on it bums me out. I feel like I really should hate this movie, especially for what it does for to the character of Anakin and his sacrifice, but aside from that I really liked this movie. I’ll be seeing for a second time after Christmas, so we’ll see then. I really do enjoy all of these movies, but i feel like I have a duty not to.

I just think Palpatine was a nice way to wrap things up, that’s all.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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luckydube56 said:

The OT were great. I fear it cannot be expanded on.

Bump. That magic and atmosphere just haven’t been reproduced.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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adywan said:

Strange that no one is factoring in the fact that a bootleg dropped 2 hours after the midnight screening in the UK has finished. BEFORE most other places even started showing it. Now there have been 3 different bootlegs appear in 3 days. This didn’t happen for TFA or TLJ. It was a week before a bootleg dropped for TLJ. On social media there are posts filled with people saying that they no longer have to pay to go and see it.

And then there is the fact that this one has been released the weekend before Christmas. People are avoiding going out during the day to the cinema because of the Christmas rush. I’ve seen many people saying they can’t go until after Christmas.

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

The sequel trilogy is objectively a piece of crap. The OT still reign supreme and nothing since has approached it.

Whoever founded this site understood that consciously or subconsciously. There would not likely ever be anything to match or even rival it within the same universe.

Whether you had different expectations or not, the name of this site says it all.

No, the name of the site does not say it all…

There is a massive difference between appreciating or cherishing the Original Trilogy (plus wanting the theatrical versions to be made available) - and being civil about other Star Wars content you may not like…
 

From the ‘About’ section…

We’re a diverse and welcoming community - this site is afterall based on a love & geeky reverence for all things Star Wars 😃
This is especially so for the Original Trilogy (obviously) - yet also a respect for everything else Star Wars too. Yes, even The Holiday Special, maybe…
 

If anyone thinks this site, given its name, is a place to bash on other Star Wars content with vitriol and constant negativity - to the point of toxicity - then they are very much mistaken.
 

Valid criticism and opinion are always welcome - wide-ranging views and interpretations are welcome too.

Some members are over-stepping the mark with their repeated criticisms - to the point of continuous negativity. Some have not seen the film, nor plan to, and stating why is perfectly acceptable. However, some are going far beyond this - seemingly going into related threads and making continued negative posts about content they have not seen, informing others here how awful the thing they hasn’t seen is… Some have seen it - and are doing similar…

Members here have left, are leaving, and considering leaving… whether temporarily or permanently… because of such repeated negativity from a few others on here - that is not going to continue.

If people can’t post in a civil manner here, nor have a modicum of respect for fellow members, and wish to spread their habitual agenda of negativity… they won’t be posting here at all - that goes for anyone.
 

This site is a vast one - and covers many aspects of Star Wars over a long, long time. There are many topics or issues to discuss - I suggest people find something they do actually enjoy posting about - rather than spending their considerable time and effort in repeatedly bashing or hating on films or the people who made them - and for some here who claim to not care about, or have not seen.

Some people will like the film, some will not, others mixed etc - it is not the end of the world because someone has a different opinion. Don’t be ‘that guy’.
 

It’s Christmas - peace and goodwill to all, Season Greetings and all that.
 

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

Valheru_84 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The lore’s been broken since 1999. 1997, if we consider the SE “canon” at that point.

I don’t. DEs all the way! 😉

RogueLeader said:

I had a feeling this was going to be a Thor Skywalker video before I even opened it.

And the issue with that is? Why don’t you just try listening to an alternative opinion and make up your own mind at the end whether you agree or not or even just agree with some parts while discarding others. That’s all I do, I take new information or opinion on board, analyse it against my own view and go from there. Sometimes I dismiss it, other times it change’s my own opinion, often to a better and more informed one or one that isn’t so narrow in it’s scope anymore.

You spread repeated negativity across the forum on here - and not much else. You claim to hate TFA/TLJ and not be bothered with TROS - yet you repeatedly post negatively about the film on here - a lot.

People like yourself, who continue to post this type of content (depsite you not seeing the film?), are the reason others have left here in the past, others have left here recently, and others are thinking about leaving too.

It is way beyond ‘valid criticism’ or opinion - it is an agenda. Some have said it is ‘like a crusade’ and I laughed heard when I heard that - but they are probably correct, it is certainly appearing that way.

I am only surprised the moderators here continue to allow it.

Maybe you should open up your own ‘Valheru opinion’ thread and post your thoughts in there rather than pollute the forums with anything that aligns with your endless and negative agenda. And post the videos of youtubers well known for only not liking the new Star Wars films (and profit from that hating on the film and the people who make them) which you agree with, and want other people to also view - despite not having seen the film yourself.

I seem to keep finding myself in situations where I am partaking in discussion just like anyone else, sharing my opinion on various things and sometimes sharing content I find interesting and that I think has relevance to the topic, only for some individual to come out of the woodwork and start specifically attacking me. My general experience has been it is whenever I am criticising TLJ or the DT at large but instead of just responding to what I am saying about the topic, I am singled out and attacked.

People like me hey? I feel your post is entirely unnecessary and borderline insulting, especially in response to where I’m simply suggesting to be more open minded rather than instantly dismissive to what seems like a pretty neutral question posed by Thor. My last post before this one was about acknowledging Ady and I have polar views on the DT but it doesn’t mean we can’t still get along as Star Wars fans that both love the OT. Sure, many of my comments about TROS are negative, that’s just the way I feel about it and the DT at large and while the movie is freshly released there is going to be a lot of discussion around it and I have just as much right as anyone else to partake in it if I choose to.

No I haven’t seen the film but I’ve made this clear up front so people can make what they will of my opinion. I don’t feel I need to watch it, I’ve read the entire leaked plot which is all true and enough story and plot summaries via reviews to understand what the movie is and can extrapolate enough from JJ’s TFA and all the trailers of TROS I’ve seen to know it’s not necessarily worse than TLJ was in it’s specific way but it is probably worse in how bad it utterly fails to conclude the saga, let alone it’s own trilogy. You no doubt don’t share that opinion - no problem. Why is that a reason to leave the site? Who can you name that has left specifically because of me? They are just as free to express their own opinion that I may find distasteful but if I leave, that’s on me. I am not posting in anyway to try and push my view on anyone else, if they don’t like what I am saying why not just ignore it?

Below is an excerpt from my first post in the thread where I make a point of saying “at this point” and also point out the usual extreme reactions occurring. I feel that in most cases I am trying to be as fair and grounded as I can with the information I have and am not going out of my way to be negative, unfortunately that just happens to be my default emotion for the DT now until it gives me a reason to be positive.

Valheru_84 said:
I’ve watched a number of other reviews, read some as well and seen many people’s comments and it’s generally not a greatly received movie at this point. The common thread is mixed feelings and disappointment with the obvious shilling going on at one extreme and some outright unfounded hate at the other.

I don’t hate TFA, in one of my replies to Ady in the other thread I say that I generally enjoyed TFA and was excited for TLJ. We know what I thought of TLJ in the end and it retroactively makes TFA a worse movie for me but I don’t hate it and I don’t hate TROS, how can I when I haven’t seen it? But I do know there is almost a 100% chance I will not like it one bit and have a negative impact on myself so I chose not to see it but I am still interested in how it is being received and how it will affect Star Wars itself for the near and far future. I do however without a doubt hate TLJ.

I have no agenda past that of my own interest and love of Star Wars I have had for most of my life and the desire to talk about Star Wars with other people that are of the same disposition. Unfortunately the fanbase IS divided (many times over at this point) with some pretty strong opposing opinions in various sections of it but again I don’t see why that means we can’t get along in other respects or just be content to leave the other be.

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oojason said:
Some members are over-stepping the mark with their repeated criticisms - to the point of continuous negativity. Some have not seen the film, nor plan to, and stating why is perfectly acceptable. However, some are going far beyond this - seemingly going into related threads and making continued negative posts about content they have not seen, informing others here how awful the thing they hasn’t seen is… Some have seen it - and are doing similar…

Members here have left, are leaving, and considering leaving… whether temporarily or permanently… because of such repeated negativity from a few others on here - that is not going to continue.

If people can’t post in a civil manner here, nor have a modicum of respect for fellow members, and wish to spread their habitual agenda of negativity… they won’t be posting here at all - that goes for anyone.

This site is a vast one - and covers many aspects of Star Wars over a long, long time. There are many topics or issues to discuss - I suggest people find something they do actually enjoy posting about - rather than spending their considerable time and effort in repeatedly bashing or hating on films or the people who made them - and for some here who claim to not care about, or have not seen.

I believe that some of this is directed at me and fair enough if you feel that way though I didn’t I feel that I was spreading continuous negativity nor was it ever my intention to if you think I am.

There is a semi-crossover of conversation between the two spoiler threads, box office results thread and some supporting threads that I felt I was just organically replying to various posts that I felt I had something to say about or add to after making my initial posts on my opinion regarding the reception of the movie. I haven’t been able to get on OT.com much to the extent where I have time to reply often and quickly to an ongoing conversation so sometimes it probably does look like I’ve suddenly gone crazy posting in all these threads at once but it’s just me getting the chance to finally post that reply I wanted to hours ago or even the previous day, often there are multiple posts I want to reply to.

As indicated in my reply to Biggs, I don’t feel I am someone that would be saying anything in particular to make people leave and I find it odd they would choose to leave OT.com over some critical comments about TROS or the DT in a few specific threads out of the thousands on here.

The fact it seems I am restricted from posting further in here just because someone doesn’t like what I am saying doesn’t feel right. My more recent posts I actually thought were more lighthearted and the link to Thor was just a topic I thought was worth discussing since it’s an integral part of the Skywalker saga that TROS is supposed to conclude and whether you agree with Thor or not, he poses some good questions and has interesting discourse on many things Star Wars which I thought is what people like to do here.

I don’t feel that I have been uncivil once in here nor disrespectful to anyone in particular so at this point would it be fair for me to continue posting in here as just part of the normal course of conversation and if anyone feels I’m being unnecessarily negative, they can report my post which if you or another mod agree it is overstepping what is reasonable, then you can tap me on the shoulder via PM and I will gracefully exit the thread for a good while? I understood the warning at the start of the thread so like I said, I am not intentionally trying to create any trouble (not that I would otherwise want to anyway).

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oojason said:

luckydube56 said:

adywan said:

Strange that no one is factoring in the fact that a bootleg dropped 2 hours after the midnight screening in the UK has finished. BEFORE most other places even started showing it. Now there have been 3 different bootlegs appear in 3 days. This didn’t happen for TFA or TLJ. It was a week before a bootleg dropped for TLJ. On social media there are posts filled with people saying that they no longer have to pay to go and see it.

And then there is the fact that this one has been released the weekend before Christmas. People are avoiding going out during the day to the cinema because of the Christmas rush. I’ve seen many people saying they can’t go until after Christmas.

Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.

But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.

The sequel trilogy is objectively a piece of crap. The OT still reign supreme and nothing since has approached it.

Whoever founded this site understood that consciously or subconsciously. There would not likely ever be anything to match or even rival it within the same universe.

Whether you had different expectations or not, the name of this site says it all.

No, the name of the site does not say it all…

There is a massive difference between appreciating or cherishing the Original Trilogy (plus wanting the theatrical versions to be made available) - and being civil about other Star Wars content you may not like…
 

From the ‘About’ section…

We’re a diverse and welcoming community - this site is afterall based on a love & geeky reverence for all things Star Wars 😃
This is especially so for the Original Trilogy (obviously) - yet also a respect for everything else Star Wars too. Yes, even The Holiday Special, maybe…
 

If anyone thinks this site, given its name, is a place to bash on other Star Wars content with vitriol and constant negativity - to the point of toxicity - then they are very much mistaken.
 

Valid criticism and opinion are always welcome - wide-ranging views and interpretations are welcome too.

Some members are over-stepping the mark with their repeated criticisms - to the point of continuous negativity. Some have not seen the film, nor plan to, and stating why is perfectly acceptable. However, some are going far beyond this - seemingly going into related threads and making continued negative posts about content they have not seen, informing others here how awful the thing they hasn’t seen is… Some have seen it - and are doing similar…

Members here have left, are leaving, and considering leaving… whether temporarily or permanently… because of such repeated negativity from a few others on here - that is not going to continue.

If people can’t post in a civil manner here, nor have a modicum of respect for fellow members, and wish to spread their habitual agenda of negativity… they won’t be posting here at all - that goes for anyone.
 

This site is a vast one - and covers many aspects of Star Wars over a long, long time. There are many topics or issues to discuss - I suggest people find something they do actually enjoy posting about - rather than spending their considerable time and effort in repeatedly bashing or hating on films or the people who made them - and for some here who claim to not care about, or have not seen.

Some people will like the film, some will not, others mixed etc - it is not the end of the world because someone has a different opinion. Don’t be ‘that guy’.
 

It’s Christmas - peace and goodwill to all, Season Greetings and all that.
 

Word…cheers and Merry Christmas.