The Problem with "There is Another" line

I think there is a contradiction in Empire Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary then when Luke leaves Yoda says “There is Another” i doubt that the original intention is that Yoda was referring to Leia because Luke was going to rescue her we all know that originally Luke sister was not going to be Leia and she was planned to appear in a future ROTJ sequel or maybe in ROTJ i think in the end they decided to make Leia Luke sister to avoid further complications or for marketing reasons but you cant deny that Leia being Luke sister was a last minute Retcon and it was forced

There were also rumors that that the other one was Boba Fett but i doubt it because he worked for the Empire so it is most likely that Yoda was referring to Luke real sister

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

MinchD36 said:

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

Absolutely. Poor Nellith. We never got to know her.

You are correct in the OP, it is another retcon that causes issues in Leia becoming “the other” after the fact.

Luke says “they were in pain”, when Yoda explains he is seeing the future and Luke then asks “Will they die?”, Yoda answers with “Difficult to see” and so they were in a very real sense of immediate danger.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

MinchD36 said:

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

Absolutely. Poor Nellith. We never got to know her.

You are correct in the OP, it is another retcon that causes issues in Leia becoming “the other” after the fact.

Luke says “they were in pain”, when Yoda explains he is seeing the future and Luke then asks “Will they die?”, Yoda answers with “Difficult to see” and so they were in a very real sense of immediate danger.

The retcon also clumsily fails to account for Yoda saying “there is another” privately to Ben, or Ben saying “that boy is our last hope”, since Ben is supposed to know about Leia.

It’s still pretty amazing how lucky George Lucas got with all these retcons, since there was always existing footage that serendipitously supported the retcon. Like with the Leia as sister retcon, they had the scene at the end of ESB where Luke is hanging underneath Cloud City, and calls out to her with the Force. And with the Vader as father retcon, they had the scene in ANH where Owen says “That’s what I’m afraid of” after Beru says Luke is too much like his father.

This stuff doubtlessly helped Lucas get away with claiming he had it all planned out since 1977. And plain old confirmation bias encourages the audience to ignore instances where the retcon fails, but remember instances where the retcon serendipitously seems to have been the plan all along.

Channel72 said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

MinchD36 said:

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

Absolutely. Poor Nellith. We never got to know her.

You are correct in the OP, it is another retcon that causes issues in Leia becoming “the other” after the fact.

Luke says “they were in pain”, when Yoda explains he is seeing the future and Luke then asks “Will they die?”, Yoda answers with “Difficult to see” and so they were in a very real sense of immediate danger.

The retcon also clumsily fails to account for Yoda saying “there is another” privately to Ben, or Ben saying “that boy is our last hope”, since Ben is supposed to know about Leia.

It’s still pretty amazing how lucky George Lucas got with all these retcons, since there was always existing footage that serendipitously supported the retcon. Like with the Leia as sister retcon, they had the scene at the end of ESB where Luke is hanging underneath Cloud City, and calls out to her with the Force. And with the Vader as father retcon, they had the scene in ANH where Owen says “That’s what I’m afraid of” after Beru says Luke is too much like his father.

This stuff doubtlessly helped Lucas get away with claiming he had it all planned out since 1977. And plain old confirmation bias encourages the audience to ignore instances where the retcon fails, but remember instances where the retcon serendipitously seems to have been the plan all along.

I think you’re right, a lot of serendipity and plain good fortune on the retcon front. It still amazes me so many fans are willing to believe anything George says without question.

The worst thing for me is the recent Kenobi series, which drives a wedge through this conversation here between Ben and Yoda: “that boy is our last hope” and “there is another”; given Ben’s now earlier adventures with young Leia. Not to mention the growing number of other Jedi still around, after the fact.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

Channel72 said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

MinchD36 said:

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

Absolutely. Poor Nellith. We never got to know her.

You are correct in the OP, it is another retcon that causes issues in Leia becoming “the other” after the fact.

Luke says “they were in pain”, when Yoda explains he is seeing the future and Luke then asks “Will they die?”, Yoda answers with “Difficult to see” and so they were in a very real sense of immediate danger.

The retcon also clumsily fails to account for Yoda saying “there is another” privately to Ben, or Ben saying “that boy is our last hope”, since Ben is supposed to know about Leia.

It’s still pretty amazing how lucky George Lucas got with all these retcons, since there was always existing footage that serendipitously supported the retcon. Like with the Leia as sister retcon, they had the scene at the end of ESB where Luke is hanging underneath Cloud City, and calls out to her with the Force. And with the Vader as father retcon, they had the scene in ANH where Owen says “That’s what I’m afraid of” after Beru says Luke is too much like his father.

This stuff doubtlessly helped Lucas get away with claiming he had it all planned out since 1977. And plain old confirmation bias encourages the audience to ignore instances where the retcon fails, but remember instances where the retcon serendipitously seems to have been the plan all along.

I think you’re right, a lot of serendipity and plain good fortune on the retcon front. It still amazes me so many fans are willing to believe anything George says without question.

The worst thing for me is the recent Kenobi series, which drives a wedge through this conversation here between Ben and Yoda: “that boy is our last hope” and “there is another”; given Ben’s now earlier adventures with young Leia. Not to mention the growing number of other Jedi still around, after the fact.

Continuing on from that (and because I’m a slow thinker): that serendipity and good fortune ran out for the Prequels.

Having Ben be present at the birth of both the Skywalker children in the later ROTS film just makes him look inept, kind of sexist, or forgetful in the extreme.

Having so many other similar discrepancies, contradictions or jarring issues between the two trilogies really did damage the Prequels for so many fans back then, and in the years since.

Marooned Biker Scout said:
Continuing on from that (and because I’m a slow thinker): that serendipity and good fortune ran out for the Prequels.

Having Ben be present at the birth of both the Skywalker children in the later ROTS film just makes him look inept, kind of sexist, or forgetful in the extreme.

Having so many other similar discrepancies, contradictions or jarring issues between the two trilogies really did damage the Prequels for so many fans back then, and in the years since.

I think Ben being present for Leia’s birth (or at least being aware of when it happened) is implied in ROTJ, and explicitly confirmed in dialogue from ROTJ that was cut from the film. In the actual film, Ben says “To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.” And in dialogue cut from the film, he says “So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine… and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.” He then goes on to deliver an extended speech describing Leia’s life on Alderaan (all of which is cut from the movie.)

Strangely, it seems Ben never really had much faith in Leia, because in ROTJ, Ben actually says “Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope” after Luke says he can’t kill his father. So Ben actually repeats his belief that Luke was their only hope, even AFTER the Leia retcon is in effect. (Although Ben also says the Force is strong with Leia in additional dialogue that was cut.) It seems like Ben’s dialogue is written in a manner that is aware of the contradiction, but makes no attempt to smooth it over.

Of course, the Prequels actually show Ben present at Leia’s birth, which only highlights the issue even further (not to mention the Kenobi series).

MinchD36 said:

There were also rumors that that the other one was Boba Fett but i doubt it because he worked for the Empire so it is most likely that Yoda was referring to Luke real sister

I’d not heard of that, do you any sources for them at the time? That sounds a curious idea.

Boba being briefly considered as being the “big baddie” for Return of the Jedi was another idea. Somewhere on here I think, with quotes from someone at Lucasfilm at that time.