The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 93

theslime said:

Good clip!

Based on this, I got another radical idea. Would it work, story-wise, to have the short Vader scene - getting the headgear on, with the Emperor standing by - as the very first scene of ROTS? As a way of building mystery - "who's this guy? Looks evil" - and introducing him early on as a central character. Then when Anakin fails, this other guy finishes the job. There should be at least one instance where Palps refers to his new apprentice Vader by name, so we could put that line earlier in the film. That way we just assume Sidious got a new apprentice after Maul (Dooku was never his apprentice, as far as I'm concerned), since we're not supposed to know he and Palps are the same man yet anyway. And when it's revealed, we could just assume he has two apprentices. (Oh, and btw, screw the "rule of two". At best it's just a Sith survival mechanism, but once they're out in the open (after Maul), it wouldn't make sense to keep it.)

It's blatant trickery, of course, to admit it was really a flash-forward two films later. Of the very worst kind. Still, it's fun as an idea, at least.

EDIT: Thinking about it, using the Vader name earlier in the film to imply there are two, is way over-the-top. I got a little carried away. :)

I love this thread!

I suggested the idea of moving reference to Vader before Anakin starts killing people quite a few pages back so if you are getting carried away so was I back then (this is the place to get a bit carried away in, that's the fun of this thread).

I still think there is potential in the idea (Sidious gives Vader his Sith name and is pretty sure of himself so why not have him assume there will be a Vader to send to the part before he has actually fully fallen?)

If you got rid of the OTT death of General Grievous and had him fall to his death and scooped up by the troopers it could add to the ambiguity of who Vader is (It could be Grievous working under his new Sith moniker).

You could even redub Grievous so he claims to have been a former pupil of Obi-Wan (after training Anakin he might have had another Padwan).

It could work if you remove any reference of Anakin being Darth Vader. Then if you watch the movies in chronological order. You know that Anakin is Luke's father or some kind of family but you don't know he IS actually Vader. Then the line in ANH won't have to be changed. There's only one problem, Obi-Wan says that his student Darth Vader killed Anakin, but it's seems that Obi-Wan killed Anakin if you let him burn in Ep III.

Bingowings said:

theslime said:

Good clip!

Based on this, I got another radical idea. Would it work, story-wise, to have the short Vader scene - getting the headgear on, with the Emperor standing by - as the very first scene of ROTS? As a way of building mystery - "who's this guy? Looks evil" - and introducing him early on as a central character. Then when Anakin fails, this other guy finishes the job. There should be at least one instance where Palps refers to his new apprentice Vader by name, so we could put that line earlier in the film. That way we just assume Sidious got a new apprentice after Maul (Dooku was never his apprentice, as far as I'm concerned), since we're not supposed to know he and Palps are the same man yet anyway. And when it's revealed, we could just assume he has two apprentices. (Oh, and btw, screw the "rule of two". At best it's just a Sith survival mechanism, but once they're out in the open (after Maul), it wouldn't make sense to keep it.)

It's blatant trickery, of course, to admit it was really a flash-forward two films later. Of the very worst kind. Still, it's fun as an idea, at least.

EDIT: Thinking about it, using the Vader name earlier in the film to imply there are two, is way over-the-top. I got a little carried away. :)

I love this thread!

I suggested the idea of moving reference to Vader before Anakin starts killing people quite a few pages back so if you are getting carried away so was I back then (this is the place to get a bit carried away in, that's the fun of this thread).

I still think there is potential in the idea (Sidious gives Vader his Sith name and is pretty sure of himself so why not have him assume there will be a Vader to send to the part before he has actually fully fallen?)

If you got rid of the OTT death of General Grievous and had him fall to his death and scooped up by the troopers it could add to the ambiguity of who Vader is (It could be Grievous working under his new Sith moniker).

You could even redub Grievous so he claims to have been a former pupil of Obi-Wan (after training Anakin he might have had another Padwan).

 

Heh, I actually HAVE read the entire thread, but I must have forgotten among all the other ideas bandied about that you said that. Sorry 'bout that! :)

I love the idea of Sidious dropping a reference to his new apprentice before there even is a Vader. That would be cool no matter how you handle the other stuff. He has it all mapped out. Then whether or not you actually admit Vader is Anakin in the end, it still gives a nice and subtle glimpse into how in control Palpatine actually is.

To be less into trickery than my idea on the last page, I think starting with a flashback - matter how un-OT it is - would work too. We start with the Vader headgear and Sidious lurking next to him (scene shortened and de-crappified), then "n months earlier" [I forget the timeframe of ROTS]. Then we wonder for the rest of the movie who that guy was (well, y'know, we could have wondered).

The more I think about it, I think trying to kill Obi-Wan should never have been the climax. Having post-lava Vader kill the younglings - though less of an obvious BETRAYAL than the Anakin scene - would have been more powerful.

The same is true for the Dooku fight. Grievous should have been killed first, then Dooku. It's a complete mystery to me how Lucas thought it would be a good idea to kill off the main villain of the last film within ten minutes of ROTS. I know someone suggested switching Dooku and Grievous some sixty pages back, but this is virtually impossible to edit without editing virtually every inter-Jedi conversation in the whole film. The fact that Dooku got killed early on is (redundantly) mentioned a gazillion times in ROTS.

MagnoliaFan claimed he had a good solution to this problem by every-so-slightly editing Obi-Wan's monologue in ANH, but since he never completed his ROTS edit, I have no idea how he would go about it.

Did he ever reveal his plans?

Davnes007 said:

EyeShotFirst said:

The-Lion said:

... the line in ANH won't have to be changed. There's only one problem, Obi-Wan says that his student Darth Vader killed Anakin, but it's seems that Obi-Wan killed Anakin if you let him burn in Ep III.

Obi wan is lying to Luke anyway

...From a certain point of view.

That would be the truthful point of view ;-)

If Ben wasn't already dead I'm would have been surprised if Luke had gone ape and killed him on the spot (he could have got Father Merrin in to get rid of the fibbing spook) he had more reason to do it than his father did.

It would have been a nice twist in ROTJ if Luke refused to turn to the Dark Side or pass on his Jedi teaching and got rid of both sets of crazy wizards in one swoop.

theslime said:

Good clip!

Based on this, I got another radical idea. Would it work, story-wise, to have the short Vader scene - getting the headgear on, with the Emperor standing by - as the very first scene of ROTS? As a way of building mystery - "who's this guy? Looks evil" - and introducing him early on as a central character. Then when Anakin fails, this other guy finishes the job. There should be at least one instance where Palps refers to his new apprentice Vader by name, so we could put that line earlier in the film. That way we just assume Sidious got a new apprentice after Maul (Dooku was never his apprentice, as far as I'm concerned), since we're not supposed to know he and Palps are the same man yet anyway. And when it's revealed, we could just assume he has two apprentices. (Oh, and btw, screw the "rule of two". At best it's just a Sith survival mechanism, but once they're out in the open (after Maul), it wouldn't make sense to keep it.)

It's blatant trickery, of course, to admit it was really a flash-forward two films later. Of the very worst kind. Still, it's fun as an idea, at least.

EDIT: Thinking about it, using the Vader name earlier in the film to imply there are two, is way over-the-top. I got a little carried away. :)

I love this thread!

Sounds good. Hopefully this will work.

Good afternoon, all. I've been a lurker on here for a while, but this is essentially my introductory post. My name is Jonah, I live near Seattle, and my love of Star Wars runs old and deep. Amongst other things, I am also a film student and avid (some say insane) costumer -- part of which is focussed on Star Wars. And yes, I'm an aspiring member of the 501st. :)

I've read all the comments in this thread so far. I feel I need to mention that, as much of what I'm going to be writing has already been written in here, and much will be diametrically opposed to what's already been written.

I had a scriptwriting professer a few years ago who gave me about the best advice I think I'll ever get. Since a large part of learning the craft is watching many films and television, odds are one is going to see a lot of crap. When something jars us out of the experience, he said "don't just sit there bitching about it -- get a copy of the script and see if you can do any better". By now, I've tackled Star Trek: Nemesis, Return of the Jedi, and all three Star Wars prequels. I don't know if the "fixes" I've come up with can be done wiht a re-edit, or if it'd need to be re-filmed from scratch, but I'll hold forth, and if anything is useful...

NOTES ON ALL PREQUELS:

•No midichlorians

•No Yoda (I love him, and think he should be a presence, but not heard or seen until Empire, to preserve the surprise.)

•As Episodes IV-VI were "From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker", these should be -- as original treatments posited -- "From the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi". Anakin should be important, but supporting -- like Leia or Han to Luke.

•No use of the word "Darth" until Vader takes it (not bestowed).  No "Sidious", no "Maul", no "Tyranus". The former two should be unnamed in dialogue, the latter should not take a "Sith" identity. More on that for the relevent films.

•No Rule of Two, no Jedi Council (at least, not as we saw it), no "forbidden love" crap (the OT and EU both made a point of ability in the Force running in families -- if Jedi don't marry and have kids...).

•A little more "fan-service", in the form of OT and EU ships and such -- Victory-class Star Destroyers, Dreadnoughts, Z-95 and clean Y-Wing fighters, etc.

I'm going to break up my takes on the individual movies now to avoid Tildur Syndrome. :)

--Jonah

I love the idea of Sidious dropping a reference to his new apprentice before there even is a Vader. That would be cool no matter how you handle the other stuff. He has it all mapped out. Then whether or not you actually admit Vader is Anakin in the end, it still gives a nice and subtle glimpse into how in control Palpatine actually is.

 

Not only cool, I think it would be important. Rather than some sort of flashback maybe someone could stumble upon his plans. That way Palpy is in control, all he needs is someone to encase in the Vader suit.

At the end of the day I'd be very happy if we see Luke born on Dagobah, and we DONT see Anakin literally burning.

EPISODE ONE:

"The Phantom Menace" is a pretty feeble title, expecially for a first installment. George seems to have forgotten that every story needs a beginning -- and the movie we got wasn't it. It still was too much in media res. The setting needs to be better established. In my rewrite, I ganked Alan Dean Foster's intro from the Star Wars novelization and reworked it a bit for the first paragraph. My first pass opening crawl now reads:

The GALACTIC REPUBLIC was the Old Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No one knows with certainty when or how it came into being, only that it was, and that was enough.

For generations, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the JEDI KNIGHTS, the Republic throve and grew. But, all too often when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, then appear those evil ones who have greed and ambition to match.

Now, turmoil has engulfed the Republic. Prince Bail Organa of Alderaan, acting as a secret envoy of the Supreme Chancellor of the Senate, has journeyed aboard his starship to the peaceful planet of Naboo to seek out the Jedi Knight OBI-WAN KENOBI and his mentor, MASTER QUI-GON JINN....

Pan down to show Naboo, as in Ep I, and the clean Tantive IV in a preprise of what we'll see in Ep IV. No donut ships, no blockade, etc. From there...

• Obi-Wan Kenobi introduced.

• Qui-Gon, Anakin, Bail Organa, Padmé, Palpatine, Asajj, Dooku, Mace, Cliegg, Owen, Beru, Shmi, C-3PO, R2-D2 all introduced.

• Jedi introduced and explained. Much like Green Lantern Corps -- stay close to their home planets/systems/sectors; rarely gathered in one place.

• Sith introduced, named at end.

• Flight from Naboo through to final escape to Coruscant is conflict for this film.

• Sith Infiltrator, better-used follows Tantive IV to Nabo, lurks in ambush.

• Ep II Royal Starship -- incorporate smaller Marie Celeste and two N-1 starfighters that can detach.

• Distinctive design ethoi -- Alderaan = white & clean, Naboo = lots of wood and natural shapes and materials.

• Tatooine just remote -- not in Hutt space or controlled by Hutts (Jabba just finds it a nice out-of-the-way spot).

• Skywalker family had a small tramp freighter and were independent cargo haulers. Pirates jumped them, killed dad, sold mom and kid into slavery. Similar events to Ep II, Cliegg bouth them, freed them, married Shmi.

PROPOSED TIMELINE:

Act I -- Bail arries @ Naboo to bring Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Coruscant, Queen stubbornly insists on coming with, dialogue and visual aids establish Republic, Jedi, Core vs. Expansion and Rim regions, Separatist movement, etc. Chancellor has asked for a few of the best and brightest Jedi to help figure what to do about the Separatists.

Act II -- Tantive IV and Royal Starship leave Naboo, ambushed by Asajj, have to divert to Tatooine, moisture farmers come to their aid (Owen & Anakin), Anakin's backstory established, he is smitten with Padmé, Obi-Wan wants to train him as a Jedi. Asajj finds them, there's a groud fight, she's driven off, Anakin announces he's leaving. Cliegg and Owen disapprove.

Act III -- Asajj and a couple other ships get the jump on them as they arrive at Coruscant, Royal Starship badly damaged, smaller craft jettison, planetary defense forces scramble to assist, Mace Windu shows up to help, Asajj bails, remaining craft destroyed.

Coda -- Everyone gathers in the Chancellor's office, Mandalorian ships were among those destroyed, Asajj is presumed to be Sith, Jedi worry what it means if the Sith and Mandalorians are involved and this bold, Anakin formally becomes Obi-Wan's apprentice, Padmé is proud and says she'll wait for him to finish his training, Jedi are rallied and movie ends on a cautious but hopeful note.

Gonna take a breath before going on to Episode II...

--Jonah

Rhikter said:

Ooo.  What's that like?

The 501st? Wanting to join? Or building plastic armour? :)

•No use of the word "Darth" until Vader takes it (not bestowed).

Aww, c'mon.  : D

This is one of those things that I came to late in my rewrite. All during this project, I've been playing the OT in the background and keeping it in mind. Ben's almost mocking use of Vader's "first name" in Star Wars always stood out to me, and still does. The reasons for that have shifted, but it still stands out.

I have developed it in-story (expanded story, not necessarily what I want to be shown in the script) that when Anakin turns, he knows exactly what he is doing (he thinks) and intentionally adopts the title used by the Sith Lords of old, and that hasn't been in use for a thousand years. Palpatine didn't, his master didn't, Dooku doesn't when he turns during the next episode, Asajj doesn't, etc. It's part of Anakin's arrogance. Plus, I don't want new viewers starting with Episode I to hear "Darth" and automatically think "Sith Lord". Tossing it around so casually before Vader shows up weakens its impact.

Peregrinus said:

"The Phantom Menace" is a pretty feeble title.

What makes you say that?

I'd be happier with it as a title for, say, Episode VII. But for the first installment, it needs something a little punchier and less cryptic. I like the title of one of the arcs in the New Jedi Order series -- "Agents of Chaos". That can refer to the Sith, the Mandalorian Death Watch, the Separatists... There, it's more a matter of maybe figuring out whether it applies to all the antagonists or just one group... rather than trying to figure out what the hell it means in the first place. :)

• Qui-Gon, Anakin, Bail Organa, Padmé, Palpatine, Asajj, Dooku, Mace, Cliegg, Owen, Beru, Shmi, C-3PO, R2-D2 all introduced.

Why no Maul?

I'm only slightly undecided on Maul. I want him and Asajj to be in the Prequels, but I came to want just one in the first film, and that one to be Asajj. I have Maul show up in Episode II to double the threat. Why I don't have him introduced here. :)

I would say, "Talk about wishful thinking," but I think you're well aware of that.  : )

Oh, I know. This is to establish a spectrum, with this on my "best-case scenario" end and the theatrical realease of TPM on the "this has got to go" end.

ADDENDUM ON ALIEN RACES:

I forgot to mention in my Prequel Trilogy overview that the Gungans, if present at all, are not native to Naboo, speak their own language, and no idiotic Jar-Jar or goofy Boss Nass. Respectable, like Captain Tarpals. Also, no Niemoidians. Slight alteration, their own language and no goofy accents, and bang! you've got Duros -- who I really liked from Episode IV.

ADDENDUM FOR CLARIFICATION:

With the removal of the Battle of Naboo and the "Trade Federation" blockade, we have no battle droids of any kind in this first film. Keep that for an escalation in Episode II, for reasons that will become clear. And when they show up in Episode II, I agree with the cold colour palette, no earth tones.

--Jonah

Episode II now. I don't have a title for this one yet, but "Attack of the Clones" is misleading and gives away too much, IMO. Anyhoo...

• Sith elaborated upon -- counterpoint to Jedi.

• Separatists getting bolder; Mandalorian Death Watch confirmed working with them, suplemented with Geonosian and IGBG battle droids. "The Mandalorians have been mercenaries since time immemorial, but this is a splinter group that think they have a manifest destiny to conquer the galaxy", or words to that effect.

TIMELINE:

• ACT I -- Anakin has finished his training, returns to marry Padmé. Obi-Wan stands with him. Anakin gives his training lightsaber to Obi-Wan, basically says "when we have kids..." Soon after, Chancellor is assassinated, collateral damage almost kills Padmé, too, Anakin and Qui-Gon take her home to recover, Obi-Wan begins investigating (I agree the investigation needs to actually be an investigation). Senator Palpatine is elevated to Chancellor.

SIDEBAR: I have drastically altered the state of things from what we see in the films. Boba Fett is the much younger brother of Jango Fett. They are orphans. The Death Watch killed their parents, but Boba is rebellious and angry and has joined them against Jango's prohibition. I hold with a slightly reinterpreted version of Open Season as the backstory here, minus the massacre of the True Mandalorians. I have Durge replacing Viszla as the leader of the Death Watch.

• ACT II -- Jango shows up to help put Obi-Wan on the right track when he finds out who is investigating the assassination, mainly because of his dispute with Boba, even though this puts him and the True Mandalorians on the side of the Republic. Trail leads to a cloning facility cloning Death Watch volunteers to create a clone army. Asajj is overseeing as liaison from whoever is pulling the strings. Obi-Wan sends word to Coruscant. They warn Naboo to be wary, but not in time, as Maul attacks Qui-Gon and Anakin and Asajj ambushes Obi-Wan and Jango.

• ACT III -- Maul's attack is the precursor of a Separatist attack on Naboo. Planetary defenses are hard-pressed repelling the droid army. Meanwhile, Obi-Wan and Jango are backed into a corner by Asajj and the Death Watch. Durge deals Jango a fatal blow in front of Boba, as more of Jango's True Mandalorians show up. Back on Naboo, the battle droids have landed and are invading the capitol, when LAAT/i gunships drop in and begin disgorging clone troops. Boba's shock at seeing Durge kill his brother reminds him how cruel the Death Watch is and he renounced them and helped Obi-Wan kill Durge and drive off Asajj. The clone army is now in Republic hands and Obi-Wan brought them to Naboo's rescue. Alas, Obi-Wan isn't in time, and he arrives just in time to see Anakin disabled and Qui-Gon killed by Maul. Maul is driven off as the tide turns, and he flees with the remaining Separatists.

• CODA -- Disillusioned by Qui-Gon's death and how the Republic is handling the Separatist issue, Dooku renounces the Jedi order and leaves with the Separatists. Anakin is disgusted with himself for not being strong enough to stand up to Maul, and bitter over Qui-Gon's death -- advocates taking the fight to the Separatists, before more innocents are killed. Senate divided over military versus diplomatic approach to the Separatist issue. End with penultimate scene from theatrical version of AOTC.

Episode III probably tomorrow...

--Jonah

Peregrinus said:

Episode III probably tomorrow...

--Jonah

These ideas may work but and they are radical but how might they be done?

Don't let that question put you off thinking or indeed posting your ideas but short of reshooting the films how could your ideas be converted into dialogue, footage and slipped into the material that already exists?

It would be interesting to hear other postees reactions to this too.

With most of the changes suggested here there are possible technical solutions to putting those dreams onto the screen.

Bingowings said:

short of reshooting the films how could your ideas be converted into dialogue, footage and slipped into the material that already exists?

Stealing and re-purposing footage from all three movies in the PT and tweaking them as needed to fit (de-greying Obi-Wan, or adding a beard, losing a Padawan braid, etc.)... CGing some meat puppets with synthetic nervous systems to fill in action scenes and whatnot. I was rattled by the fact that, in ROTS, I empathised more with the Clonetroopers than the flesh-and-blood actors. I also know plenty of people in the Rebel Legion and 501st who would be delighted to shoot new footage to insert, as well. Degree of technical hassle would need to be addressed for each scene in turn.

With most of the changes suggested here there are possible technical solutions to putting those dreams onto the screen.

That was my thinking. Dream big, and then see whether it can be done, how easily, etc.

--Jonah

Peregrinus said:

Bingowings said:

short of reshooting the films how could your ideas be converted into dialogue, footage and slipped into the material that already exists?

Stealing and re-purposing footage from all three movies in the PT and tweaking them as needed to fit (de-greying Obi-Wan, or adding a beard, losing a Padawan braid, etc.)... CGing some meat puppets with synthetic nervous systems to fill in action scenes and whatnot. I was rattled by the fact that, in ROTS, I empathised more with the Clonetroopers than the flesh-and-blood actors. I also know plenty of people in the Rebel Legion and 501st who would be delighted to shoot new footage to insert, as well. Degree of technical hassle would need to be addressed for each scene in turn.

With most of the changes suggested here there are possible technical solutions to putting those dreams onto the screen.

That was my thinking. Dream big, and then see whether it can be done, how easily, etc.

--Jonah

 

Keep dreaming big!

I thought it was one of the more impressive aspects of the PT that I too managed have an empathy with the Clone troops (I've described them elsewhere as brainwashed slaves) you can see how they both bonded with their Jedi generals and turned on them both down to a pre-programmed loyalty to the state that created them.

I know that the EU would have us believe that the Clone Troopers were eventually phased out and replaced by career non-clones and conscripts. I don't buy that myself. If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?

I'm actually more surprised that he didn't start to replace the population of the Empire with equally brainwashed drones.

There could be entire planetery populations of civilians and military bred and programmed like robots to serve the Empire (not to mention droids themselves becoming less and less like droids and developing individual awareness and loyalty).

The mess left behind by the two trilogies would make a worthy sequel trilogy in it's own right.

I was thinking about the shots of the Gungans emerging from the mist in TPM, it might add something to the battle if some of that mist carried over to the battle field itself.

I was watching a documentary about the making of Ran and the shots of armoured warriors on horseback in the mist were striking.

It might also go some way to making the CGI look less cartoonish.

Bingowings said:

I thought it was one of the more impressive aspects of the PT that I too managed have an empathy with the Clone troops (I've described them elsewhere as brainwashed slaves) you can see how they both bonded with their Jedi generals and turned on them both down to a pre-programmed loyalty to the state that created them.

I'll get into this more in my Episode III proposed revision, but I feel that part of the conflict should be whether to use clones for that very reason. Slavery and such are against the tenets of the Republic. Mainly I'm trying to put the plural back in the Clone WarS. If there is conflict in the Senate over whether to use clones, if so -- how, andthe actual military conflicts... I didn't lay it out in my brief synopsis above, but I have dialogue in the full script to the effect that the fight for control of the clones was the first Clone War.

I know that the EU would have us believe that the Clone Troopers were eventually phased out and replaced by career non-clones and conscripts. I don't buy that myself. If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?

I don't recall seeing this. I have seen that the clone ranks were expanded with non-Jango clones, as well as with non-clone recruits. It is part of the current fluff that Vader's 501st Legion is the only entirely-Jago-clone unit left in the Empire at the time of the OT. I disagree with that, personally. Too much variation seen in Empire.

I'm actually more surprised that he didn't start to replace the population of the Empire with equally brainwashed drones.

You're talking trillions of sentients there. Easier to do on a larger scale what the Republicans did in the U.S. over the past forty years -- convince the people there is a threat and they need protecting, even at the cost of personal freedoms and civil rights. One thing I really liked about the X-Wing novels was when they went to Coruscant and visited the Imperial Museum and saw how the events of the OT had been spun from an Imperial propeganda POV. Coruscant would have been in mourning for the death of the Emperor, not celebrating.

There could be entire planetery populations of civilians and military bred and programmed like robots to serve the Empire (not to mention droids themselves becoming less and less like droids and developing individual awareness and loyalty).

One of the ironies of the OT. :)

The mess left behind by the two trilogies would make a worthy sequel trilogy in it's own right.

That's been my thinking since I first saw ROTJ in 1983, at age 8 -- and we didn't even have the Prequels yet. I could tell there was more to tell. What about all the Imperial ships? What about the Imperial capitol world? What about the rest of the Imperial government? It wasn't over after the first Death Star was destroyed, and even though the Emperor and Veder were dead now, too, there was a huge machine already in motion that wouldn't grind to a halt immediately.

Rhikter said:

Bingowings said:

If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?

 

That's because, in the EU, not all of the clones went along with Order 66, and the clone program turned out to be a failure.

I know about the first part of that. I've read Karen Traviss' books. But where do you get the second part? We just know that most "civilised" people in the galaxy disapprove of it -- but there's plenty of stuff that indicates the Emperor kept right on doing it in secret.

Bingowings said:

I was thinking about the shots of the Gungans emerging from the mist in TPM, it might add something to the battle if some of that mist carried over to the battle field itself.

I was watching a documentary about the making of Ran and the shots of armoured warriors on horseback in the mist were striking.

It might also go some way to making the CGI look less cartoonish.

I do want to keep that, and maybe mist-ify more of the Gungan battle. But save that for Episode III, and have it not on Naboo.

--Jonah