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Bingowings said:
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adywan said:

Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

My biggest gripes with the tech are the shape shifting bionicle droids and other superfuturistic "war of the worlds" type designs. why is Vader a wheezing clunky metal man when Grevious could climb up walls and fight 4 jedi at once? I really want to see some rebel ships in prime condition too. I think the seperatists should use more of those.

 

The Clone Wars series has already shown Y-Wings (in their prime) being used by the Republic http://flickr.com/photos/rocketseason/sets/72157608098402281/

It would be nice to see some more though and perhaps on the otherside.

 

 

 

I would definitely like to see that be the Republic's main ship before they opt for a cheaper, smaller, easier to mass produce TIE fighter prototype in Ep III (instead of those giant ARC 170 beasts). Then because that ship design was so resilient and well equipped (just not right for the Republic's ever growing troops and ever shrinking budget) the Rebels pick it up later and make modifications.

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adywan said:

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

 

I wish the PT had been approached with older less technology in mind mirroring our world. But apparently the Republic had reached their limits in that area. But Georgie boy just couldn't resist the urge to outdo the originals in every shot. Will you be retro-grading in the prequels? Like all the advanced cockpit displays? to at least make them on the same level seen in the OT

 

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C3PX said:

Wow, just saw this thread for the first time. It all seems so familiar somehow... LOL, reminds me a lot of the Starkiller Ranch... and various other prequel edit idea threads that have dropped off page one and disappeared over the years.

One thing I have mentioned before is my personal edit of TPM, one time I went in and just hacked everything out of the film I didn't like. It is much shorter, the changes are drastic, but the story is the same and I think it worked quite well.

First, I kept the opening sequence in the eyes of Qui-gon and Obi-Wan only, no switching back and forth from heroes to the villians. I think it ultimately speeds up the pace of the opening, and makes the villians more villianous. They are waiting to meet with some one, their ride explodes, poisionous gas, robots, try to cut through the door, bigger robots, excape into the vents, stall away and meet up on the planet.

They run into Jar Jar, but they don't ask him for help, I cut the conversation a little, they take off running and Jar Jar says, "More did you say?" and runs after them. Next shot of them they are on the steps of Theed, Jar Jar followed them. No Gungan city, no submarine. Kind of weird Jar Jar just follows them and they don't bother to ask why, but I think it works well enough.

The other drastic thing I did was the podrace, I don't remember how long it was, or how short I managed to make mine, but I really cut the sucker down and sped up the pace. The end result was what felt like a much higher speed race, more like a drag race than stock car racing. I shortened it to one lap, so now it is just zipping through canyons and people blowing up left and right. I used the Beggar's Canyon track from the Shadows of the Empire soundtrack, as has become the standard fanedit scoring for that race, and my whole race runs no longer than the duration of that track.

I am by no means an audio guy, I just don't have an ear for music. I actually really like the stripped down edit of TPM I made for myself, it is my ideal version of the film, but the audio is very rough. If somebody every did an edit with drastic cuts like this with rescoring to cover the cuts, I think it would be a really good edit of the movie. Ultimately you can edit Jar Jar down to a minimum, and he is not too annoying at all, to me this is much more effective than redubbing him (I am a very big opponent of redubbing, I have just never seen a fan edit in which it really worked that well).

Just thought I'd mention these, as I have never seen a current edit go this far before.

C3PX, a lot of your changes are things that I've wanted to do if I ever got around to it. Any chance you would share your edit?

 

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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"Hrrrrrgh!!"

Definitely works better.

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I don't think you'd really be able to get it to mesh that well. There are other background noises going on, and the sound quality is not too great. My recommendation would be removing that scene completely. It is too anti-climatic for the climatic scene it is trying to be.

And the thought of having tight leather slapped onto your body after receiving severe life theatening burns always makes me cringe...

I always imagined the creation of the "more machine than man" version of Vader being something that happened gradually. For some reason I always imagined earlier incarnations of Vader being Anakin with the black suit and cape but no helmet or life support box. I imagined this version of him hunting down Jedi one by one, and when he eventually caught up to his old friend, or his old friend caught up to him, there was an unfortunate incident involving acid/lava which damaged his lungs and burnt his face making the suit necessary. I think getting the suit after less than a whole day as a Sith Lord kind of takes something away.

 

Fortunately, I believe Adywan has already said Vader will not appear in his Revisited saga, which I definitely think is the right decision. I have thought for a long time that cutting him out and leaving the events as vague as possible would be the best way to get ROTS to mesh with the OT accounts of Anakin and Vader.

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Well, I'm kind of new here, but I saw adywan's ANH edit... it was great. No, really, it was. Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS... but... that will be quite pointless. Anakin turns to the dark side and stuff, if only it would be a Godfather-like movie, where the story of the present and the past (or how you would like to call it) are parallel.

Anyway, I've got some ideas, maybe someone will use them. Before I start, I want to point out that I started watching Star Wars with... TPM. That's right, TPM. Then came the SE OT and then AotC with RotS. So I'm kind of one of those who didn't really care if Han shoot first (though that moment did look quite choppy in SE) or about midichlorians. I'm fine with both the "mystical" OT version and "scientifical" PT version. And I do like more the idea that was introduced in PT (and not so badly realized, though not without flaws) about, you know, greyishness of things more than OT's "this one's good, this one's bad, this one's good turned bad then turned back to good". Not that I don't like OT. ESB and ROTS are my favorite SW episodes (with ESB being the best of OT and ROTS being the best of PT).

Let's start.

TPM is actually a pretty nice movie. I mean, it has it's flaws, and... well... differences from the OT, but actually, I found it quite close to ROTJ. And the structure is quite the same. First part of the movie - rescue, second part - journey on a planet (well, in TPM case - two planets) with a race, and the third part - lightsaber duel, space battle and ground battle all going on at the same time. There's even a Jedi funeral in both movies. But, unlike ROTJ, it has politics. I know some people don't like politics in SW. Well, I like politics in SW, and think they should not have to be cut.

Well, probably the main gripe of all SW fans is Jar Jar. Mine too. Now, I don't think Jar Jar should be cut at all. And I don't think he should be remade to, you know, a serious creature (let's see, 3PO in EpV is... well, not annoying as Jar Jar is in this one, but he's quite annoying too. That's my opinion), but tone down the sillines. And cut the poo and fart jokes, I mean... This is Star Wars. No poo and fart jokes in Star Wars... I just don't think, considering his on-screen actions, that it's quite possible to make a fully serious character out of him, but I've heard about some miracle in MagnoliaFan edit, didn't see it though.

Now, this conerns all battle droids scenes throughout the movie. Remove the "uhhhh", "oh-oh", "ah" parts. They're droids, after all. So, instead of always saying "Oh-oh, blast 'em!", just make them say "Blast 'em!".

Tatooine. Well, there's this "Anakin has no father" scene. Cut it? No. I just came to a thought that it works better with the "Mystical Force" version of things, not the scientifical ones. So... there's one advantage of the OT mystical Force version, it seems. The scene with the probe droid should be put back in. It's, like, the reason Qui and Ani are running anyway. The fight with Greedo is essential to be put back. Not only because of Anakin's "dark side", but also because of Qui-Gon's teaching manners. "Well, you know you're right, fighting won't change anything. Let's go". It's great, really.

Battle for Naboo... Well, there is a gripe I have with Anakin. I propose to somehow move the line "Qui-Gon told me to stay here and that's what I'm going to do" line while he's still in the hangar. Before or short time after he launches the stargihter, on PURPOSE (not searching for anything), and on PURPOSE destroying droidekas and flying to the Battleship, without any autopilots. He IS eager to prove himself, isn't he?

 

When I first saw AOTC, I thought it was utter crap. Then, after watching it again, I thought it was... not so bad. But I have to watch it again to actually put some type of list. And here comes ROTS...

 

ROTS is my PT favorite, but it's the one I think that should be edited the most, if someone would edit it. Pretty ironic, eh?

Battle of Coruscant. It's long and... well, the first few minutes are ok (I would say that the very beginning is, well, great), but then there's all this buzz droids stuff. I mean, it's pointless! I propose to make so that after going through the Vulture droids (well, somewhere after the phrase "they're doing their job so we can do ours") edit stuff as necessary so they would get straight to the Invisible Hand and land there. It would be much more paced and less-dragged.

The Invisible Hand. I know, some would like to get the Shaak Ti deleted scene back. But please, don't. At least without big graphical work, which would require quite some time. Besides that, Shaak is seen elsewhere in the movie, I think, so... no Shaak Ti death on IH scene. Anyway, now what about those things that are already in the movie. The thing that buggers me the most (and not only me) is the elevator scene with R2 vs. Super Battle Droid. Up, down, up, down, and... well, pointless. Duel with Dooku could use some music, but not necessary. Removing Palpatine's "Yes!" is necessary, though. Everything else on Invisible Hand is ok in my book.

Coruscant... It's quite hefty as it is, but I think that returning all three Rebellion scenes (especially the third one, with Anakin standing near the Chancellor) is essential. Besides, if Battle of Coruscant would be shortened, there will be enough time and for these three things. The chat on the balcony... I'm not against romantic scenes, and, like, in AotC many didn't like the dialouge, but come on, Anakin is an ex-slave boy, how can he know how to talk nicely? But the whole "so love has blinded you?" stuff on that balcony is really corny. From Grievous straight to the dream, that would do the trick.

One thing that I had with Anakin's turn to the dark side is that it was... well, it was fast, but we do know about Palpatine slowly playing over Anakin's mind all over the time. Anyway. The Jedi Council room with Ani and Padme is cool, IMO. Fix the sun thing if possible (so light would fall always from the right direction), and remove Chancellor's line. Then. Cut the Sidious-Mace lightsaber duel. IMO, it would be so much cooler that after Palpatine says "It's treason then" we cut to Anakin getting to the Office, and... we see Mace over an already deformed Palpatine (without that "Only I can help save your wife from death" and "Don't listen to him, Anakin!"). Well, even if to leave the battle in the movie, still, Palpy must be deformed BEFORE Anakin's arrival, IMO. And he must look weak, tired and battle-scarred to Anakin. That would make much more sense. The first time we see Palpatine cast lightning from his hands is when Anakin chops Mace's hand. No "What I've done" thing. Just "Pledge myself to your teachings", and well, maybe 'bout Padme. After that, Anakin doesn't say a single word. I think, what made the fall look so fast, is all those "Thank you, master", "Agreed, the next move bla-bla" and stuff. Like, he was "OH MY WHAT I'VE DONE" and suddenly "I'M A BADDIE YEAH!". Cutting that will make Anakin's turn more believable, IMO. Maybe have him somehow shut all the way through, even no "Pledge myself to your teachings", dunno. I mean, sometimes silence is more powerful than words. And... If Palpy says that he knows how to save from death, why he says that together we can DISCOVER the secret? Well, that whole turning to the dark side scene needs a revamp, don't you think? I may write some time later a little more clearly how do I see it.

Jedi Purge stuff is cool. There's one thing I'm not really sure about. I mean, Anakin cries a bit after killing the Mustafar leaders, but doesn't have a tear while killing younglings. I think it should be the other way around, and... digitally adding some tears going from his eyes before activating his lightsaber won't be too hard?

There's one thing in the Jedi Temple security room I think is not quite right: as soon as they see the Hologram, both Obi and Yoda start to call Palpatine the Emperor instead of Palpatine. I think, if possible, this should be replaced. Oh, and I'm not sure about the yellow eyes during the Mustafar scene. Are they really necessary? I mean, they're cool, but... Dunno.

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel is... well, the duel itself is cool, at least while it's inside. I know some didn't like the "Only a Sith deals in absolutes", considering that it totally broke the point of "broad point of view stuff", but we have to remember that it's a JEDI who says that line, not a Sith. The real confusing stuff, for me anyway, is that there's a half-alive pregnant woman lying over there, there's those two best friends yelling at each other, and they talk about... democracy and stuff. That's a little strange, I think. Oh, and... I heard there was some unused Ani-Obi duel footage. It would be nice to get it back somehow. If possible.

But then again, there's this "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!". "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!". Well... it will be hard to do anything with these. I don't have anything "I have failed you" and "I should've known the Jedi were trying to take over", but this evil stuff... Don't know. It's just... well, it does make sense, but something is not right.

I'm not sure about adding Qui-Gon's talk with Yoda, I've heard this was done before. I think that Yoda's talk with Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon should be cut as well, or redone. I mean, why this ghost thing is something that has to be... teached? Especially when Anakin didn't have anyone to teach it to him. It just doesn't go along well.

And I think that "She has lost will to live" thing is crap. For god's sake, Anakin has choked her for quite some time, and she's dying because she doesn't want to live? When she gave birth to two babys and thinks Anakin has some good left in him? And she doesn't want to live? Bullshit. And I dunno about the names... Well, you can leave them in, you can cut the naming altogether.

There is an idea how to remove the mother controversy, but it would require editing ROTJ, not ROTS. Just a bit of change of the dialouge.

Luke: Do you remember your mother?

Leia: Just images, really... *other stuff she says there*

Luke: (maybe after a bit of silence) Your REAL mother?

And Leia doesn't have anything to answer.

 

Now, in the OT, there were three big revelations. That little green creep is Yoda, Darth Vader is Luke's father, Leia is Luke's sister. We all know PT ruins all those surprises if to watch the SW saga chronologically.

The Yoda stuff is ok. As long as the scene in the mud on Kashyyyk is cut, one may think "oh my, what has happened to Yoda during his exile! He's gone insane!". I mean, one may KNOW it's Yoda, but he doesn't act like Yoda.

The Darth Vader stuff is a bit... well, more complicated. I already said that not mentioning Vader in ROTS won't do the trick in my opinion. It would require a drastical change of ANH, really. Not only the dialouge in Obi's hut, but also Vader's lines and their talk during their duel and stuff. It's not that hard to keep Leia a secret to the public, but the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father... It has to be thought deeply, just keeping Vader out of ROTS won't do it, really.

 

Now, what are the revelations of PT? The main revelation should be, Sidious = Palpatine. I think it's there, I don't know. I knew for a long time Sid was Palpy. Any other stuff?

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Is there a thread or a list that gathers all of Adywan's ideas for the PT Revisited? I would like to offer my two cents but Id rather do it fully informed.

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Farlander said:

Well, I'm kind of new here, but I saw adywan's ANH edit... it was great. No, really, it was. Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS... but... that will be quite pointless. Anakin turns to the dark side and stuff, if only it would be a Godfather-like movie, where the story of the present and the past (or how you would like to call it) are parallel.

Anyway, I've got some ideas, maybe someone will use them. Before I start, I want to point out that I started watching Star Wars with... TPM. That's right, TPM. Then came the SE OT and then AotC with RotS. So I'm kind of one of those who didn't really care if Han shoot first (though that moment did look quite choppy in SE) or about midichlorians. I'm fine with both the "mystical" OT version and "scientifical" PT version. And I do like more the idea that was introduced in PT (and not so badly realized, though not without flaws) about, you know, greyishness of things more than OT's "this one's good, this one's bad, this one's good turned bad then turned back to good". Not that I don't like OT. ESB and ROTS are my favorite SW episodes (with ESB being the best of OT and ROTS being the best of PT).

Let's start.

TPM is actually a pretty nice movie. I mean, it has it's flaws, and... well... differences from the OT, but actually, I found it quite close to ROTJ. And the structure is quite the same. First part of the movie - rescue, second part - journey on a planet (well, in TPM case - two planets) with a race, and the third part - lightsaber duel, space battle and ground battle all going on at the same time. There's even a Jedi funeral in both movies. But, unlike ROTJ, it has politics. I know some people don't like politics in SW. Well, I like politics in SW, and think they should not have to be cut.

Well, probably the main gripe of all SW fans is Jar Jar. Mine too. Now, I don't think Jar Jar should be cut at all. And I don't think he should be remade to, you know, a serious creature (let's see, 3PO in EpV is... well, not annoying as Jar Jar is in this one, but he's quite annoying too. That's my opinion), but tone down the sillines. And cut the poo and fart jokes, I mean... This is Star Wars. No poo and fart jokes in Star Wars... I just don't think, considering his on-screen actions, that it's quite possible to make a fully serious character out of him, but I've heard about some miracle in MagnoliaFan edit, didn't see it though.

Now, this conerns all battle droids scenes throughout the movie. Remove the "uhhhh", "oh-oh", "ah" parts. They're droids, after all. So, instead of always saying "Oh-oh, blast 'em!", just make them say "Blast 'em!".

Tatooine. Well, there's this "Anakin has no father" scene. Cut it? No. I just came to a thought that it works better with the "Mystical Force" version of things, not the scientifical ones. So... there's one advantage of the OT mystical Force version, it seems. The scene with the probe droid should be put back in. It's, like, the reason Qui and Ani are running anyway. The fight with Greedo is essential to be put back. Not only because of Anakin's "dark side", but also because of Qui-Gon's teaching manners. "Well, you know you're right, fighting won't change anything. Let's go". It's great, really.

Battle for Naboo... Well, there is a gripe I have with Anakin. I propose to somehow move the line "Qui-Gon told me to stay here and that's what I'm going to do" line while he's still in the hangar. Before or short time after he launches the stargihter, on PURPOSE (not searching for anything), and on PURPOSE destroying droidekas and flying to the Battleship, without any autopilots. He IS eager to prove himself, isn't he?

 

When I first saw AOTC, I thought it was utter crap. Then, after watching it again, I thought it was... not so bad. But I have to watch it again to actually put some type of list. And here comes ROTS...

 

ROTS is my PT favorite, but it's the one I think that should be edited the most, if someone would edit it. Pretty ironic, eh?

Battle of Coruscant. It's long and... well, the first few minutes are ok (I would say that the very beginning is, well, great), but then there's all this buzz droids stuff. I mean, it's pointless! I propose to make so that after going through the Vulture droids (well, somewhere after the phrase "they're doing their job so we can do ours") edit stuff as necessary so they would get straight to the Invisible Hand and land there. It would be much more paced and less-dragged.

The Invisible Hand. I know, some would like to get the Shaak Ti deleted scene back. But please, don't. At least without big graphical work, which would require quite some time. Besides that, Shaak is seen elsewhere in the movie, I think, so... no Shaak Ti death on IH scene. Anyway, now what about those things that are already in the movie. The thing that buggers me the most (and not only me) is the elevator scene with R2 vs. Super Battle Droid. Up, down, up, down, and... well, pointless. Duel with Dooku could use some music, but not necessary. Removing Palpatine's "Yes!" is necessary, though. Everything else on Invisible Hand is ok in my book.

Coruscant... It's quite hefty as it is, but I think that returning all three Rebellion scenes (especially the third one, with Anakin standing near the Chancellor) is essential. Besides, if Battle of Coruscant would be shortened, there will be enough time and for these three things. The chat on the balcony... I'm not against romantic scenes, and, like, in AotC many didn't like the dialouge, but come on, Anakin is an ex-slave boy, how can he know how to talk nicely? But the whole "so love has blinded you?" stuff on that balcony is really corny. From Grievous straight to the dream, that would do the trick.

One thing that I had with Anakin's turn to the dark side is that it was... well, it was fast, but we do know about Palpatine slowly playing over Anakin's mind all over the time. Anyway. The Jedi Council room with Ani and Padme is cool, IMO. Fix the sun thing if possible (so light would fall always from the right direction), and remove Chancellor's line. Then. Cut the Sidious-Mace lightsaber duel. IMO, it would be so much cooler that after Palpatine says "It's treason then" we cut to Anakin getting to the Office, and... we see Mace over an already deformed Palpatine (without that "Only I can help save your wife from death" and "Don't listen to him, Anakin!"). Well, even if to leave the battle in the movie, still, Palpy must be deformed BEFORE Anakin's arrival, IMO. And he must look weak, tired and battle-scarred to Anakin. That would make much more sense. The first time we see Palpatine cast lightning from his hands is when Anakin chops Mace's hand. No "What I've done" thing. Just "Pledge myself to your teachings", and well, maybe 'bout Padme. After that, Anakin doesn't say a single word. I think, what made the fall look so fast, is all those "Thank you, master", "Agreed, the next move bla-bla" and stuff. Like, he was "OH MY WHAT I'VE DONE" and suddenly "I'M A BADDIE YEAH!". Cutting that will make Anakin's turn more believable, IMO. Maybe have him somehow shut all the way through, even no "Pledge myself to your teachings", dunno. I mean, sometimes silence is more powerful than words. And... If Palpy says that he knows how to save from death, why he says that together we can DISCOVER the secret? Well, that whole turning to the dark side scene needs a revamp, don't you think? I may write some time later a little more clearly how do I see it.

Jedi Purge stuff is cool. There's one thing I'm not really sure about. I mean, Anakin cries a bit after killing the Mustafar leaders, but doesn't have a tear while killing younglings. I think it should be the other way around, and... digitally adding some tears going from his eyes before activating his lightsaber won't be too hard?

There's one thing in the Jedi Temple security room I think is not quite right: as soon as they see the Hologram, both Obi and Yoda start to call Palpatine the Emperor instead of Palpatine. I think, if possible, this should be replaced. Oh, and I'm not sure about the yellow eyes during the Mustafar scene. Are they really necessary? I mean, they're cool, but... Dunno.

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel is... well, the duel itself is cool, at least while it's inside. I know some didn't like the "Only a Sith deals in absolutes", considering that it totally broke the point of "broad point of view stuff", but we have to remember that it's a JEDI who says that line, not a Sith. The real confusing stuff, for me anyway, is that there's a half-alive pregnant woman lying over there, there's those two best friends yelling at each other, and they talk about... democracy and stuff. That's a little strange, I think. Oh, and... I heard there was some unused Ani-Obi duel footage. It would be nice to get it back somehow. If possible.

But then again, there's this "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!". "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!". Well... it will be hard to do anything with these. I don't have anything "I have failed you" and "I should've known the Jedi were trying to take over", but this evil stuff... Don't know. It's just... well, it does make sense, but something is not right.

I'm not sure about adding Qui-Gon's talk with Yoda, I've heard this was done before. I think that Yoda's talk with Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon should be cut as well, or redone. I mean, why this ghost thing is something that has to be... teached? Especially when Anakin didn't have anyone to teach it to him. It just doesn't go along well.

And I think that "She has lost will to live" thing is crap. For god's sake, Anakin has choked her for quite some time, and she's dying because she doesn't want to live? When she gave birth to two babys and thinks Anakin has some good left in him? And she doesn't want to live? Bullshit. And I dunno about the names... Well, you can leave them in, you can cut the naming altogether.

There is an idea how to remove the mother controversy, but it would require editing ROTJ, not ROTS. Just a bit of change of the dialouge.

Luke: Do you remember your mother?

Leia: Just images, really... *other stuff she says there*

Luke: (maybe after a bit of silence) Your REAL mother?

And Leia doesn't have anything to answer.

 

Now, in the OT, there were three big revelations. That little green creep is Yoda, Darth Vader is Luke's father, Leia is Luke's sister. We all know PT ruins all those surprises if to watch the SW saga chronologically.

The Yoda stuff is ok. As long as the scene in the mud on Kashyyyk is cut, one may think "oh my, what has happened to Yoda during his exile! He's gone insane!". I mean, one may KNOW it's Yoda, but he doesn't act like Yoda.

The Darth Vader stuff is a bit... well, more complicated. I already said that not mentioning Vader in ROTS won't do the trick in my opinion. It would require a drastical change of ANH, really. Not only the dialouge in Obi's hut, but also Vader's lines and their talk during their duel and stuff. It's not that hard to keep Leia a secret to the public, but the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father... It has to be thought deeply, just keeping Vader out of ROTS won't do it, really.

 

Now, what are the revelations of PT? The main revelation should be, Sidious = Palpatine. I think it's there, I don't know. I knew for a long time Sid was Palpy. Any other stuff?

While there has yet to be a 100% perfect (in my view) 'tinkerers edit' of the PT trilogy there are many that come close to what you have suggested.

On this very thread I was prompted to seek and download the Slumberland Edits which make most of PT flow exeptionally well (one of the highlights being Jar Jar who is essentially the same character, has the same voice and does much of the same things but is far from annoying and actually made me laugh for the first time in almost a decade).

There are so many edits out there that try this method of trimming the deadwood from PT that when setting up this thread I thought it would be a good idea to really push the boat out and come up with ways to go beyond just trimming the annoying bits and actually try and make the material (with some manipulation) go much further than that, thus the 'radical' in the thread title.

It was inspired by Ady's announcement to remove Threepio from all but ROTS:R but it wasn't just for Ady it was for people on here to really let there imaginations go wild and suggest ideas that anyone could use.

Ideas like changing Naboo to Alderaan (while not to everyone's taste) would really shake up the prequel trilogy (in this case by giving us some time with Leia's homeworld so it becomes really painful to see it destroyed in ANH).

That's the sort of thing this thread is for.

Most of the suggestions you have made have been done already by other people in other edits, so get downloading, get watching and if they still don't hit you in that special place, make your own edit (I'd certainly watch it and most of us on here would too).

 

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Is there a thread or a list that gathers all of Adywan's ideas for the PT Revisited? I would like to offer my two cents but Id rather do it fully informed.

As far as I can make out, the only things Ady has announced so far is removing Threepio from TPM & AOTC and giving Jar Jar a new alien voice which he can add different dialogue to via subtitles (a bit like Magnoliafan did I imagine).

ESB:R is still over a year away and ROTJ:R will take a lot longer from what Ady has been saying so this thread is partly to come up with some ideas that Ady might find useful in the years to come but it's really for anyone to use.

With so many years ahead (where Lucasfilm might add more bits and bobs onto whatever they officially release) I'm not sure if Ady will finalise what he wants to do with the prequels for a loooooooong time.

I'm not Adywan (there is no other) so you could drop him a message yourself.

P.S. On the subject of Threepio I remember that Lucas originally intended to give him a used car salesman voice and we are short of a Han Solo style positive cynic it might be possible to keep Threepio but give him a very different way of expressing himself (something like Bender from "Futurama") which would explain why Owen doesn't recognise him (he looks different and he sounds different too). When he comes to Coruscant he could be reprogrammed to sound like a fussy butler or he could gain that personality type after he has his memory erased at the end of ROTS, leaving R2 as the only character that remembers that Threepio is the same character throughout. It would add a bit of irony to Threepio in the OT, where he makes out he is a superior sophisticated droid to Artoo, when Artoo (and us too) remembers him as being an oily scoundrel made out of salvaged junk.

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I love the Jar-Jar idea but why would he take 3po out of TPM and AOTC?

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I love the Jar-Jar idea but why would he take 3po out of TPM and AOTC?

Because he doesn't do anything or serve any purpose other than fan service.  He doesn't do anything in ROTS, either, but it's not too much of a stretch for him to be Padme's personal droid.

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I disagree with this. I love A New Hope revisited and cant wait for Empire, but Im afraid Adywan will do what every fan edit of any prequel movie has done and that is to completely gut them becuase  the editor didnt like anything about the prequels in the first place. I hope this isnt the case.

I say leave Threepio in.

I know the midiclorians are gonna be taken out but how do you leave the Opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin intact without them?

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I know the midiclorians are gonna be taken out but how do you leave the Opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin intact without them?

 

 I think cutting midichlorians out of PT is easy as hell. I mean, I suppose it was already done for TPM, AotC has no mention of the midichlorians. Palpatine says in RotS:

"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."

So... cut out the "influence the midi-chlorians" part, and...

"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."

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Yeah that could work.

as long as it didnt sound like it had been gutted, but Im sure Adywan can handle that no issue.

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I disagree with this. I love A New Hope revisited and cant wait for Empire, but Im afraid Adywan will do what every fan edit of any prequel movie has done and that is to completely gut them becuase  the editor didnt like anything about the prequels in the first place. I hope this isnt the case.

I say leave Threepio in.

I know the midiclorians are gonna be taken out but how do you leave the Opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin intact without them?

well thats probably because they need gutting to tone down the horrible script and wooden acting. Things are explained way too much in the PT. The whole script talks down to the audience. The editing is a mess and is nowhere near as tight as it was in the OT. Just look how long they linger on a scene before either a wipe or a cut. And 3PO is just there for no other reason apart from GL fanwank. He does nothing and Anthony Daniels performance in the PT was more of a caricature of 3PO than the 3PO we loved in the PT. In the OT 3POn was annoying but funny. In the PT he was just pain annoying and i cringed every time he spoke. Just listen to all the "ooh" "ahh" Ughh's" he adds between almost every line. Since when did 3PO do that? Even in the Clone Wars tv series he doesn't do that. 3PO really doesn't need to be in the PT at all but ROTS was the better place to have him make an appearance as Padmes servant droid. The opera scene can easily be kept without the inclusion of midicraplions ever mentioned in the PT. It's all down to editing. And the hint that Anakin was created by the sith and the miracle Virgin birth will also be gone in Revisited. The PT needs to be given a complete make over whereas the OT is mainly cosmetics.

 

 

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I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

I dont think the technology was a matter of being light years ahead of the OT. Its more a mtter of the Empire controlling what gets into the hands of anyone else but themselves. Not to mention the disposable nature/attitude towards it soldiers. Thats why the tech looks better in the PT.

I also feel that the Death Star construction shot at the end of RotS is awesome. This should definitely be left in.

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Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS...

I dont know if this is true or not, if it is I beg you to reconsider Adywan. The whole point of the prequel trilogy is Anakin's turn into the baddest Dark Lord ever, Vader.

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And the hint that Anakin was created by the sith and the miracle Virgin birth will also be gone in Revisited. The PT needs to be given a complete make over whereas the OT is mainly cosmetics.

 

 I would ask you to read my editorial on the PT and OTSE to really understand my position on this. Link at the bottom of my posts.

As for taking out the Virgin Birth and Anakin created by the sith, you have to leave these in. The discussion at the opera is one of the best scenes in the trilogy and is a key component of Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin into turning. The virgin birth is a classic example of mythological lore, Ive never had an issue with it. It should be left in. Whats the alternative? Having this child of prophecy just be born to a slave with no mention of who the father ever was? I dont think that would be better.

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Posted by Adywan..

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

I dont think the technology was a matter of being light years ahead of the OT. Its more a mtter of the Empire controlling what gets into the hands of anyone else but themselves. Not to mention the disposable nature/attitude towards it soldiers. Thats why the tech looks better in the PT.

I also feel that the Death Star construction shot at the end of RotS is awesome. This should definitely be left in.

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Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS...

I dont know if this is true or not, if it is I beg you to reconsider Adywan. The whole point of the prequel trilogy is Anakin's turn into the baddest Dark Lord ever, Vader.

The Death Star at the end of ROTS was totally unnecessary and wrong on so many levels. So it took them 20 years to build the Death Star 1 but only 3 to build the second one? come on. Totally gone in Revisited.

I am toying with the idea that we don't see vader in the PT but I'm probably more inclined to give Vader a better role at the end. I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi at the end not the stupid wimp screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

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adywan said:
And the hint that Anakin was created by the sith and the miracle Virgin birth will also be gone in Revisited. The PT needs to be given a complete make over whereas the OT is mainly cosmetics.

 

 I would ask you to read my editorial on the PT and OTSE to really understand my position on this. Link at the bottom of my posts.

As for taking out the Virgin Birth and Anakin created by the sith, you have to leave these in. The discussion at the opera is one of the best scenes in the trilogy and is a key component of Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin into turning. The virgin birth is a classic example of mythological lore, Ive never had an issue with it. It should be left in. Whats the alternative? Having this child of prophecy just be born to a slave with no mention of who the father ever was? I dont think that would be better.

oh no. i don't have to leave those in at all. You may have never had an issue with it but most people have and i certainly have. Having the sith create Anakin means that he was always destined to become evil and that takes away the whole story of how a good person can go bad. The PT is full of contradictions story wise. It needs an enema ;) And surely if they had created anakin so he would be able to destroy the Jedi then they would have made sure it was somewhere where the jedi would have spotted his skills, trained him as a jedi and given him the power to fulfil his destiny. Not have him born on an out of the way planet and left his discovery to chance. Even you yourself in your blog say that you don't like midicraplions but you say they have to be left in? Let me quote you

Midiclorians. No one likes midiclorians. I don't like them, you don't like them. One does not need to explain the mechanics of the Force. It's a spiritual thing. However I felt there had to be a reason why they were mentioned and briefly explained in The Phantom Menace and all but ignored in Attack of the Clones. For me this reason became clear during Episode 3. Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis could influence the Midiclorians to create life and stop people from dying. This of course was an important manipulation of Anakin and a major story element. I'm convinced Lucas planned this from the beginning hence the reason for midiclorians.

I think it could have been done differently and midiclorians are weak.

So you say that it could have been done differently but when someone mentions getting rid of them and then actually do it differently you are against it? Face it the PT is crap in comparison to the OT. They will never be hailed as classics as the OT was and still is. After reading your blog i'm almost sure you have watched a completely different set of films than everyone else

 

 

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Originally posted by TMBTM:

“To me it's clear that the midichlorians are not the Force, they are just life formes in your blood that helps you to "feel" the Force”

I used to be okay with viewing midi-chlorianss as the “organ” that allowed you to use the force, thereby distinguishing them as two very different things, but then it was pointed out to me that if this were the case you could create an army of Jedi clones.  Now I hate midi-chlorians again.

Originally posted by Monroville

“…and the names in the prequels sound stupid or beyond childish (Jar Jar, Padme, Naboo, Darth Maul and Sidious, COUNT DOOKU, etc)?  I mean, Lucas named a villian after a Number 2 fer chrissake!”

What are you talking about?  These names are no more ridiculous than any in the OT.  I think you’re just shrugging them off as lesser because they came from the PT and not the OT.

Originally posted by Monroville

“Let's not forget that the reason 3P0 and R2 have personalities is BECAUSE they've never had their minds wiped!”

Actually, astromech droids are the only ones that become “eccentric” if they go without a memory wipe for so long.

Originally posted by OzoneSherrif:

“When i see this Darth Maul Grievous i'm reminded of Darth Maul staying alive after Phantom Menace and getting robotic horse legs. it's totally goofy”

What are you talking about???

Originally posted by Octorox:

“Too much seperatist technology looks MORE advanced than what's used in the OT.”

This is one that I’m really sick of hearing.  The tech in the PT is not more advanced than that of the OT.  It’s a stylized primitiveness.  Think about the era that the OT was released in.  Everything, cars especially, had a very sharp and angular quality to them. Think about how you can see a lot of the working pieces on the Y-Wing and X-Wing.

   



The PT as an art style inspired more by the Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon era; an era that predates the one in which the OT was released.  Think about how everything is so sleek and rounded and then look at the Naboo Starfighter or Bail Organa’s speeder.
Flash Gordon Spaceship     Buck Rogers' Ship  1940s Car  Naboo Starfighter  Bail Organa's Speeder

 

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Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS

Ady, inhaling super-heated air (like one near hot lava) could easily damage person's lungs.

 

I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi

Now that would be just awesome!!!

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The Death Star at the end of ROTS was totally unnecessary and wrong on so many levels. So it took them 20 years to build the Death Star 1 but only 3 to build the second one? come on. Totally gone in Revisited.

I am toying with the idea that we don't see vader in the PT but I'm probably more inclined to give Vader a better role at the end. I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi at the end not the stupid wimp screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

 What if they werent building one death star since bby19 and they were building two? and both took that long to build, why not add a second Death Star to the shot in even a less completed state instead?

How you add that kind of footage? Him hunting down Jedi? Just curious. again please dont remove Vader.

As far as life support there are little hair-like things in your lungs called Alvioli that actually help you breathe. If you were breathing in very hot air or were say on fire these could get damaged and life support would be needed.

oh no. i don't have to leave those in at all. You may have never had an issue with it but most people have and i certainly have. Having the sith create Anakin means that he was always destined to become evil and that takes away the whole story of how a good person can go bad. The PT is full of contradictions story wise. It needs an enema ;) And surely if they had created anakin so he would be able to destroy the Jedi then they would have made sure it was somewhere where the jedi would have spotted his skills, trained him as a jedi and given him the power to fulfil his destiny. Not have him born on an out of the way planet and left his discovery to chance. Even you yourself in your blog say that you don't like midicraplions but you say they have to be left in? Let me quote you

Midiclorians. No one likes midiclorians. I don't like them, you don't like them. One does not need to explain the mechanics of the Force. It's a spiritual thing. However I felt there had to be a reason why they were mentioned and briefly explained in The Phantom Menace and all but ignored in Attack of the Clones. For me this reason became clear during Episode 3. Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis could influence the Midiclorians to create life and stop people from dying. This of course was an important manipulation of Anakin and a major story element. I'm convinced Lucas planned this from the beginning hence the reason for midiclorians.

I think it could have been done differently and midiclorians are weak.

So you say that it could have been done differently but when someone mentions getting rid of them and then actually do it differently you are against it? Face it the PT is crap in comparison to the OT. They will never be hailed as classics as the OT was and still is. After reading your blog i'm almost sure you have watched a completely different set of films than everyone else

I thought for a moment that the removal of the midiclorians would diminsh the scene in the opera, but someone above pointed out how easy it would be to edit and still retain the quality of the scene. Im not against their removal.

Im violently against the removal of the manipulation of Anakin in the opera scene, its key to the entire trilogy and the Saga as a whole.

It is never said that Darth Plagiues created Anakin. Theres no evidence that this in fact occured. even the book about Darth Plaguies (yes I know you dont like EU) was cancelled. So theres not anything to say that Plaguies did this. The whole conversation about how much power a Dark Lord can achieve is key to Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, without it the whole story would fall apart.

last point: So you feel that anakin , the chosen one, being born to basically a nobody with no indication of who the father is is better storytelling than the classically mythical virgin birth?

 

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