Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)
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Josh said:very nice, love the ot music too. You should take a look back at Trooperman version of the scene, It's hard to remember of the top of my head but from what I do
New start
Anakin kicks those bugs buts before they even fire a shot
Color correction
When the big metal pole hits him, is because he's distracted by padmes scream
R2 saves the day without flying, it's a surprise
All in all win
I like the start to this one too, very unique!
Thanks Josh!
-I'm not a fan of the bugs...so I cut them! ;)
-And even though it needs it, I'm not gonna attempt color correction...no idea what I'm doing.
-The pole idea is good though...
Thanks again!
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I do like.
What is the story on the Trooperman project? Is it done? Abandoned? WIP?
sketchrob said:Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)
I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;) My 2 cents.
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Yay! Nice music Insert!
Which reminds me i have made one vide with a color corrected Factory scene :)
-Angel
Angel - Wha??? why not post? where is this video????
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:sketchrob said:Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)
I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;) My 2 cents.
Oh I agree about the PT music, but I think what I meant was someting Ady had alluded to before, about the editing in the PT is not the same as in the OT. Great job either way!
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
See I told you the eye droid with a scanning laser idea had legs.
There are a few too many calls of "Padme!"(I half expected someone to call out "Doctor Scott!", "Janet!") and the OT music doesn't always capture the mood (it's sometimes heroic when it should be evoking dynamic tension).
But on the whole a successful stab.
SSWR, I really like that cut, it makes it seem a lot more frantic and there's tension in the scene for probably the first time I've ever seen it.
In addition to what was mentioned earlier, when Anakin releases Padme through the force, his lightsaber is on. I know that's because you repurposed a shot from earlier in the sequence, but that does need to be fixed, if possible.
Otherwise, a really good job. Though it makes me feel like I'm flying the Millennium Falcon in X-Wing Alliance. :p Is there any way you could get some good JW music from another source, maybe an Indiana Jones film or Minority Report, or anywhere else he's done action music? Obviously, it can't be anything super-obvious, but an action cue from Minority Report or something might work.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
wow! that is so cool! i cant believe i didnt think about him pulling the cup thing down with the force, that is such a better idea. the eyeball was a great idea too, i think the lack of geonosians was a good idea too. i like the way he is calling padme alot, i may try and find her wailing anakin from clone wars a bit if i do it again on mine.
so...heres my attempt. after watching yours it really doesnt compare, i aplogise for not getting it out at the same time, internet is being a tad annoying uploading stuff, took all night!:P im afraid i didnt have enough time to do sfx, and as the original scene is so thick with musc its hard to isolate any. the general idea was to make it like the chasm scene in ANH and to give the innocence of luke/leia to anikin and padme.
I like both your ideas, and ben_danger's video clearly shows something I've thought for a long while: the PT has hardly any of the daah-daah-da-da-da-DAAH-daah-da-da-da-DAAH-daah-da-da-da-da! tune beyond the opening text. I'd like to hear more of it in PT:R and such edits.
But thats luke's theme
I found it odd placed in that last clip SSWR's was the winner I'm afraid IMO Ben Sorry LOL
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BarBar Jinkx said:But thats luke's theme
I found it odd placed in that last clip SSWR's was the winner I'm afraid IMO Ben Sorry LOL
Anakin and Luke can have the same or slight different theme. Is father and son after all. But i see your point ;)
-Angel
Of the two, I like the music in SSWR's better. The problem with using OT music in the PT is that all the really good OT music automatically makes one think of the scene from the OT.
sketchrob said:Angel - Wha??? why not post? where is this video????
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:sketchrob said:Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)
I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;) My 2 cents.
Oh I agree about the PT music, but I think what I meant was someting Ady had alluded to before, about the editing in the PT is not the same as in the OT. Great job either way!
Oh! Well then I guess we agree! :D
Bingowings said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
See I told you the eye droid with a scanning laser idea had legs.
There are a few too many calls of "Padme!"(I half expected someone to call out "Doctor Scott!", "Janet!") and the OT music doesn't always capture the mood (it's sometimes heroic when it should be evoking dynamic tension).
But on the whole a successful stab.
Yes I do believe I stole that idea from you! ;)
I *did* wonder if I had too many "padme!"s in there...believ it or not I actually had more than that!
And I know what you're saying about the OT music...I feel I'm not partiicularly good at finding the right pieces...you know it's funny because in the original Lucas and Burtt butchered williams score...and now I did too! :D
guitarfan01 said:SSWR, I really like that cut, it makes it seem a lot more frantic and there's tension in the scene for probably the first time I've ever seen it.
In addition to what was mentioned earlier, when Anakin releases Padme through the force, his lightsaber is on. I know that's because you repurposed a shot from earlier in the sequence, but that does need to be fixed, if possible.
Otherwise, a really good job. Though it makes me feel like I'm flying the Millennium Falcon in X-Wing Alliance. :p Is there any way you could get some good JW music from another source, maybe an Indiana Jones film or Minority Report, or anywhere else he's done action music? Obviously, it can't be anything super-obvious, but an action cue from Minority Report or something might work.
Thank you for the great feedback! Yeah, I don't have a way to get rid of the lightsbaer in that shot. :( darn after effects so expensive...
Again I don't feel very confident at picking out the music...I have a version of the vid with just the sound fx...anyone want to take a stab at it?
ben_danger said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
wow! that is so cool! i cant believe i didnt think about him pulling the cup thing down with the force, that is such a better idea. the eyeball was a great idea too, i think the lack of geonosians was a good idea too. i like the way he is calling padme alot, i may try and find her wailing anakin from clone wars a bit if i do it again on mine.
so...heres my attempt. after watching yours it really doesnt compare, i aplogise for not getting it out at the same time, internet is being a tad annoying uploading stuff, took all night!:P im afraid i didnt have enough time to do sfx, and as the original scene is so thick with musc its hard to isolate any. the general idea was to make it like the chasm scene in ANH and to give the innocence of luke/leia to anikin and padme.
ben_danger! Dude there is some really good stuff here! I love the chasm music at the beginning...very OT and creepy! I think my other favorite part is Anakin being knocked off the belt by the arm...it would be great if there was another shot of him landing and then have Fett come in with the droids...
But you're right...it does give that feeling of the Luke/Liea innocence...
Again, great job!
And thanks for the feedback...Yeah I really wanted more dialouge between the anakin and padme...I wish I had anakin saying "where are you?!!" and stuff like that...darn...
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vaderios said:Yay! Nice music Insert!
Which reminds me i have made one vide with a color corrected Factory scene :)
-Angel
Let's see it! :D
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Great work on the droidfactory, ben_danger and SSWR!
I think the original scene is pretty good, it makes for some nice Star Wars action. I'm always happy to see different cuts of this scene, because I think that had it been cut a little tighter, it would have been a bit more exciting. You both did that, and I liked both of your takes a lot! I have to admit I liked SSWR's cut a little better: ben_danger took out a bit too much, taking out whatever drama it had.
What I liked best about SSWR's version was Anakin calling after Padme. I agree he overdid it a little, but in the scene as it is, Anakin gets on the conveyor belt to rescue Padme, but as the scene progresses, he leaps from belt to belt, as if not concered by saving Padme anymore. I liked that your brought that back into the scene.
Great experimenting with the music too. Has anyone ever tried to put in the music Williams wrote for the scene? I have tried to put the scene together with that music, but I couldn't really make it work. The music is great, really fits with the look of Geonosis, but I think Williams wrote the music for a different cut of the scene (which happened throughout AOTC).
Here is how I would try to put the scene together (which I'm going to try once I'm finally done with school :P): I'd cut the scene a little tighter, mostly cutting out Anakin's jumping about, making it look like he is going after Padme. Anakin calling out to Padme like SSWR did would fit nicely here.
I like Williams' music for this scene, so I'd keep that too. Not the whole track, but parts of it to highlight the action here and there. The rest of the sound could be the sound effects, this could make the factory feel a bit dirtier. Darkening the scene a little might also help a little here (and mask some of the bad effects).
Most cuts remove them completely, but I'd keep in R2 and 3PO, because I don't think Anakin saving Padme with an out of context, casual Force gesture really works. I'd cut out all of 3PO's antics: he is pushed off the ledge, and we don't see him again untill the scene is over. After Anakin and Padme are captured, I'd try to rotoscope R2 and 3PO out of that shot after the arena battle (with 3PO saying he had a peculiar dream), put in a droidfactory background, and put in a line of 3PO saying something like "we'd better get out of here". This would also eliminate them from the arena battle.
Maybe this is a little too ambitious, but it's something I'd might give a try someday, because I think there is great potential in the droidfactory.
SilverKey said:Great work on the droidfactory, ben_danger and SSWR!
I think the original scene is pretty good, it makes for some nice Star Wars action. I'm always happy to see different cuts of this scene, because I think that had it been cut a little tighter, it would have been a bit more exciting. You both did that, and I liked both of your takes a lot! I have to admit I liked SSWR's cut a little better: ben_danger took out a bit too much, taking out whatever drama it had.
What I liked best about SSWR's version was Anakin calling after Padme. I agree he overdid it a little, but in the scene as it is, Anakin gets on the conveyor belt to rescue Padme, but as the scene progresses, he leaps from belt to belt, as if not concered by saving Padme anymore. I liked that your brought that back into the scene.
Great experimenting with the music too. Has anyone ever tried to put in the music Williams wrote for the scene? I have tried to put the scene together with that music, but I couldn't really make it work. The music is great, really fits with the look of Geonosis, but I think Williams wrote the music for a different cut of the scene (which happened throughout AOTC).
Here is how I would try to put the scene together (which I'm going to try once I'm finally done with school :P): I'd cut the scene a little tighter, mostly cutting out Anakin's jumping about, making it look like he is going after Padme. Anakin calling out to Padme like SSWR did would fit nicely here.
I like Williams' music for this scene, so I'd keep that too. Not the whole track, but parts of it to highlight the action here and there. The rest of the sound could be the sound effects, this could make the factory feel a bit dirtier. Darkening the scene a little might also help a little here (and mask some of the bad effects).
Most cuts remove them completely, but I'd keep in R2 and 3PO, because I don't think Anakin saving Padme with an out of context, casual Force gesture really works. I'd cut out all of 3PO's antics: he is pushed off the ledge, and we don't see him again untill the scene is over. After Anakin and Padme are captured, I'd try to rotoscope R2 and 3PO out of that shot after the arena battle (with 3PO saying he had a peculiar dream), put in a droidfactory background, and put in a line of 3PO saying something like "we'd better get out of here". This would also eliminate them from the arena battle.
Maybe this is a little too ambitious, but it's something I'd might give a try someday, because I think there is great potential in the droidfactory.
You make some interesting points, SilverKey. I guess it depends on what you want to achieve in your edit. I wanted to make Anakin more of a hero and not a whiny bitch like he is. So having him save padme certainly goes a long way...but I see what you're saying about anakin and his 'casual force gesture'. I just don't have another shot I can use there...sadly.
I think if I could add more dialouge to this scene it would be something along these lines:
-padme falls on the belt
anakin: "padme! stay right there!"
padme: "anakin!"
Anakin: "I'm coming!"
-fast forward. padme falls into the lava holder thingy
-padme cries out. anakin hears her and sees where it came from
anakin: "padme! Don't worry! I'm coming!"
I don't know...something like that. ;)
I think using that shot of the droids from the arena might be great...but IMHO having the droids in this scene just doesn't compute to me. Lucas was *trying* to bring back that OT "feeling" by putting the droids in there but it just screwed things up. Why oh why the CGI 3PO antics? Why does R2 save padme? I understand that it's not out of character for R2 but it makes anakin being in the scene pointless...unless R2 saved him as well...but that's going too far I think... ;)
Again, my 2 cents...
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The droid factory with 3PO is a bunch of pap. You take out 3PO and you have something.
If it's Luke's theme, why is it played over the opening crawls in the prequels? Maybe it's just Luke's theme as it stands now, but I'd like to see it as Anakin's theme (until he falls) as well. It's much better than the theme he got in TPM (specially for action scenes lol), and he doesn't seem to have one at all in AOTC and ROTS.
the themes are subject to symbolism i guess. if we play it with scenes with luke it is lukes msuic, if it appears with anakin and luke then perhaps it becomes a skywalker theme. i guess each editor creates their own music canon in a way. one theme id like to twist is the vocals in ROTJ so that becomes the father vs son music as it kind of fits into the ESB duel interestingly.
thanks for the comments on the video, i really didnt put as much time into it as other clips, and in the end i was really struggling putting in the OT music, so i thought to cut the whole scene around that 50 second track.:P now seeing SSWR use of the force guesture bringing the big metal pot down though makes that whole part work alot more, so if i was to make a full movie edit, almost all of those elements would be used. its quite cool aswell as it kind of makes anakin seem slightly more concerned about his sabre (aka jediness) than padme (aka romance), which may work well in certain edits.;)
shanerjedi said:The droid factory with 3PO is a bunch of pap. You take out 3PO and you have something.
You take 3PO and flying R2 out, and you may have something.
It's in Artoo's character to rush out and try to rescue, the humans just as it's in Threepio's character to warn him not to do so and get dragged into trouble despite himself so I was happy with that part of the droids role in the sequence and the jets make sense for an astrodroid to have (a lot of his work would be on the outside of ships doing repairs, the only time where it would make sense for him to use them in the OT would have been escaping off Jabba's barge and I've suggested that as a change for ROTJ.)
The bit that doesn't work is what happens to Threepio.
Not only is the idea utterly stupid and the joke not even remotely funny but the effects are so bad it looks like a fan made spoof scene (Robot Chicken only not very funny).
George never figured out what to do with Threepio in the prequels, which is a shame because the idea of having them as the Greek Chorus of the saga (having this huge Galactic saga underpinned by a couple of robotic slaves) is a great one.
It might have been fun to have still have him fall off the little bridge thing but into the bowels of the factory line and shut down the external defenses around the Seperatist conference allowing for Mace and the Other Jedi to land undetected (Obi-Wan and Padme land but they are detected straight away).
Nice job on the music of the factory scene indeed!
I made a little edit of this droid factory scene few months ago, here's the link again:
http://rapidshare.com/files/166639224/montage_episode_2.divx
I tried to keep 3PO and R2 but cutted some silly parts and changed the order of the scenes.
(3PO still looses his head cause I tried to make the scene "better" without changing any element of the story)
It might have been fun to have still have him fall off the little bridge thing but into the bowels of the factory line and shut down the external defenses around the Seperatist conference allowing for Mace and the Other Jedi to land undetected (Obi-Wan and Padme land but they are detected straight away).
Good idea. No hanging onto the flying platform, no losing his head, and certainly no bad jokes to go along with it.
I say whatever edit anyone does, get rid of Anakin saying "Not again!" after his saber gets sliced in two; the grimace should work just fine.
Also, does anyone find it convenient that the roller droids and Jango Fett show up after the Super Mario Bros. bit? Would there be any way to work Jango in for at least a little bit so he doesn't just pop up out of the woodwork?
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