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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 358

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With all the talk (both here and in the TPM community thread) of having Shmi already be free by the time of AOTC, I wanted to share this attempt I made at the Watto scene to remove references to him selling her but maintain the information we need about the Lars family.

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evansj1983 said:

With all the talk (both here and in the TPM community thread) of having Shmi already be free by the time of AOTC, I wanted to share this attempt I made at the Watto scene to remove references to him selling her but maintain the information we need about the Lars family.

I think that has potential. Only the “years ago” line is a bit jarring, because the lip-sync doesn’t match. Maybe that could be fixed by shuffling the shots around, but I am not sure about that, I would need to watch the full scene again.

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It’s hard. I was able to get the start of “years” and the remaining parts of that shot to line up fairly well. And in the original “years ago” was spoken off camera as we’re looking at Anakin. And I’ve already used that shot here while Watto says “at least I think it was Lars.” Will have to play around with it some more.

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To explain why they are looking at Watto’s record, you could add a line saying that he sold Cliegg something from his shop. I think right before the “I’d like to know line” would be the perfect. Maybe like this:
“…other side of Mos Eisley. I sold him a T-” “I’d like to know.” break “Sure, lets take a look at my records.”

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That’s a good idea. I’ll play around with that a little.

I may have come up with a solution to the earlier problem by slightly slowing down the few seconds of Watto speaking. It’s not perfect but at least his mouth is moving for the whole line. A little inelegant but I’ll keep at it.

edit: Here’s another go at the Watto scene. It includes the slowed down version of him speaking (again, not perfect but a slight improvement) and the lines you mentioned about him having sold Lars something. I couldn’t construct a line, but one nice thing about Watto (in both movies) going in and out of Huttese, I was able to put in something subtitled. I liked your idea of implying its Luke’s future T-16 skyhopper but I feel like you’d hear the “T” even in Huttese and I was a little limited in what I could use. Either way, it kind of accomplishes what you were suggesting

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I like it - the mouth sync was a bit soft in the prequels with Jar Jar and Watto anyway, so I’m not sure it’s a dealbreaker. I’d suggest moving the Huttese line to earlier, when he first mentions Cleig Lars, then Anakin’s “I’d like to know,” then “he married her.”

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I think this works great.

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CaptainFaraday said:

I like it - the mouth sync was a bit soft in the prequels with Jar Jar and Watto anyway, so I’m not sure it’s a dealbreaker. I’d suggest moving the Huttese line to earlier, when he first mentions Cleig Lars, then Anakin’s “I’d like to know,” then “he married her.”

I’ll try it that way around tomorrow. I liked the idea of Anakin interrupting him while he drifted off and started speaking Huttese and bringing him back to his senses. But I’ll pay around with it.

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evansj1983 said:

With all the talk (both here and in the TPM community thread) of having Shmi already be free by the time of AOTC, I wanted to share this attempt I made at the Watto scene to remove references to him selling her but maintain the information we need about the Lars family.

I feel like there’s a lot of very obvious audio cuts, but besides that, it is a very good rough cut!

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Grand Master_ Luke Flywalker said:

I feel like there’s a lot of very obvious audio cuts, but besides that, it is a very good rough cut!

Yeah. Definitely no expert here. But if I can sell the concept then hopefully someone better than me will take it up!

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CaptainFaraday said:

I like it - the mouth sync was a bit soft in the prequels with Jar Jar and Watto anyway, so I’m not sure it’s a dealbreaker. I’d suggest moving the Huttese line to earlier, when he first mentions Cleig Lars, then Anakin’s “I’d like to know,” then “he married her.”

I’ve tried it that way around. The audio cuts are a little squiffier than in the original but I just wanted to see what people think about this ordering. Now I’ve watched it a few times I feel like we may need to repurpose some of the lines from earlier to “Believe it or not, I heard he … married her” to pad it out a little.

edit: Here are both versions with the “believe it or not”.

edit2: realized that I probably needed to more than move some shots around. We now have redundant line near the end. This is what I get for trying to do this while also running around after a toddler! Will fix it in a bit. But at least it’s good for seeing the new placement.

edit 3: Here is another go for both versions and an attempt to remove the redundant lines near the end of the second version. Audio is now far from perfect but, again, this is more of a proof of concept. I think the “believe it or not” doesn’t work in the first version so I’ve removed it there but kept it in the second.

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evansj1983 said:

CaptainFaraday said:

I like it - the mouth sync was a bit soft in the prequels with Jar Jar and Watto anyway, so I’m not sure it’s a dealbreaker. I’d suggest moving the Huttese line to earlier, when he first mentions Cleig Lars, then Anakin’s “I’d like to know,” then “he married her.”

I’ve tried it that way around. The audio cuts are a little squiffier than in the original but I just wanted to see what people think about this ordering. Now I’ve watched it a few times I feel like we may need to repurpose some of the lines from earlier to “Believe it or not, I heard he … married her” to pad it out a little.

edit: Here are both versions with the “believe it or not”.

edit2: realized that I probably needed to more than move some shots around. We now have redundant line near the end. This is what I get for trying to do this while also running around after a toddler! Will fix it in a bit. But at least it’s good for seeing the new placement.

edit 3: Here is another go for both versions and an attempt to remove the redundant lines near the end of the second version. Audio is now far from perfect but, again, this is more of a proof of concept. I think the “believe it or not” doesn’t work in the first version so I’ve removed it there but kept it in the second.

I think the final one works great! I really like Anakin stopping Watto from reminiscing in Huttese in this context; it has this little undercurrent of the malice he’s going to show to the Tuskens.

Also, bolded for emphasis, because damn isn’t that a mood.

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CaptainFaraday said:

I think the final one works great! I really like Anakin stopping Watto from reminiscing in Huttese in this context; it has this little undercurrent of the malice he’s going to show to the Tuskens.

Also, bolded for emphasis, because damn isn’t that a mood.

Haha. My kid is awesome - I can’t wait until she’s old enough to sit down and show these to. She’s definitely in the zone of happily playing with toys while I watch her, then when I decide I can probably do a little editing alongside her, suddenly decide now is the time to try and climb the stairs! It’s a hell of an age.

But I like your interpretation of Anakin’s mood her. Definitely not intended but it works. I’m trying to smooth over some of the cuts with the score. Will see how it goes.

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Maybe some shot from Boba’s flashbacks of the tusken could be reutilized to visualize Anakins nightmares in AOTC.
Especially the earlier flashback of how he was abducted by the tusken could work for this.

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I think Palpatine should be the one to free Anakin’s mother, this would emphasis his importance to Anakin and in my opinion really raise ROTS to another standard. The problem is that Anakin describes him as a friend and mentor and this doesn’t distinguish Palpatine from the Jedi. Palpatine has to have a greater significance to Anakin to justify his decisions.

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That’s awesome. Someone should dm him and ask for the file and see if it can be put into an edit

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Dang it makes Windu look even more ruthless lol

Probably would bump AotC up to PG-13

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That’s one awesome display of Windu’s precision-based fight style. Loved it.

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Saw that on reddit earlier. We gotta get that guy to finish some of the other scenes with unfinished/missing VFX.

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So it looks like John Williams is returning to score some stuff for Kenobi. That bodes well for potential edits to turn the show into a prequel film.