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A lot of issues could be fixed by just deleting Attack of the Clones and putting the relevant Emergency Powers parts and Sidious meeting with Dooku parts in either the end of episode 1 or the start of 3. Have shots of the clones on Kamino play while Palpatine talks about the army. Maybe include Dooku meeting with the Separatist leaders. Other than the question of establishing how Anakin knows the Lars family you can mostly let the audience fill in the blanks themselves.

Oh Anakin probably went and saw his mom and freed her from slavery, but she died tragically and something bad happened with sand people. Oh Anakin and Padme ended up together, that’s nice. Oh the Trade Federation went and started a larger war and Palpatine made a clone army to fight them, and Jar Jar became a senator and supported him. Oh Palpatine got a new apprentice after Maul.

No wondering why the Jedi didn’t let Anakin see his mom, nothing about “forbidden love” or a ban on attachment (or sending Anakin to the romance planet, alone, with his crush,) no whiny teenager Anakin, no nonsense about the Jedi losing their touch with the Force or having a magic brain cloud remove their common sense. No elected queens. Obi Wan and Anakin have a friendly mentor-student/peer relationship.

People are going to say that the audience would get too confused but plenty of stories do this kind of time jump and it works, it tends to only increase audience interest as they piece together what changed.

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I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

The blue elephant in the room.

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That is real rough. And what’s up with the color grading? The film is orange enough as is, no need to make it sepia.

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Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

I think it’s also a lot stronger if we’re able to play up the angle that Anakin could have saved Shmi if only the Jedi would have let him. Being told “no attachments” and that indirectly leading to her death would have been a great way to increase Anakin’s mistrust of the Jedi Order.

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Vladius said:

A lot of issues could be fixed by just deleting Attack of the Clones and putting the relevant Emergency Powers parts and Sidious meeting with Dooku parts in either the end of episode 1 or the start of 3. Have shots of the clones on Kamino play while Palpatine talks about the army. Maybe include Dooku meeting with the Separatist leaders. Other than the question of establishing how Anakin knows the Lars family you can mostly let the audience fill in the blanks themselves.

Oh Anakin probably went and saw his mom and freed her from slavery, but she died tragically and something bad happened with sand people. Oh Anakin and Padme ended up together, that’s nice. Oh the Trade Federation went and started a larger war and Palpatine made a clone army to fight them, and Jar Jar became a senator and supported him. Oh Palpatine got a new apprentice after Maul.

No wondering why the Jedi didn’t let Anakin see his mom, nothing about “forbidden love” or a ban on attachment (or sending Anakin to the romance planet, alone, with his crush,) no whiny teenager Anakin, no nonsense about the Jedi losing their touch with the Force or having a magic brain cloud remove their common sense. No elected queens. Obi Wan and Anakin have a friendly mentor-student/peer relationship.

People are going to say that the audience would get too confused but plenty of stories do this kind of time jump and it works, it tends to only increase audience interest as they piece together what changed.

I really like this. Especially in a prequel trilogy edit that eliminates one of the films and puts Kenobi as a new Episode III (assuming that’s something we’ll be able to do).

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Vladius said:

I really like this. Especially in a prequel trilogy edit that eliminates one of the films and puts Kenobi as a new Episode III (assuming that’s something we’ll be able to do).

It would be dope if someone would be able to take Kenobi, Andor and Rogue One and combine them all into a Frankenstein-esque Episode III.

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I think just doing Kenobi as Episode III would make the most sense since we still have Ewan McGregor’s Obi Wan and Hayden Christensen’s Anakin as main characters. I guess it would be interesting to see what Andor has to offer and how somebody could tie the three together though.

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There’s a certain scene in this week’s BOBF that could find it’s way into ROTS edits.

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Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

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Peter Pan said:

Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

Good thought having it play in the background, it does seem to be a tough section to cut visually given how they continue walking through.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Peter Pan said:

Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

Good thought having it play in the background, it does seem to be a tough section to cut visually given how they continue walking through.

Yup, I am also trying to figure out the rest of the scene, because they continue talking about politics, with no apparent reason whereas in the original they were talking about Padmé and this lead to Obi-Wan vocalizing prejudice against politicians.
Maybe I’ll expand on the Anakin is frustrated with the Jedi angle. There are some lines, that could fit, like “I know, attachment is forbidden” or “I haven’t seen her in ten years”.

In general keeping Anakin at lot more rebellious might work for the story. Almost pushing it so far that it looks like he might leave the Jedi, would be very interesting I think. Here is a brought story outline of what I have in mind:
He joins the Jedi with the intention to help people and specifically free slaves, then ten years later he hasn’t really gotten to that and is feed up with the Jedi and their way of life. He is on the brink of leaving them to be with Padme, but the Republic goes to war with the Separatist and that’s why he stays a Jedi, because he feels that this is where he is needed the most.
Some details that would really make this work, would be to A) let Anakin and Padme know each other or even be a thing from the get go of AOTC and B) make the separatist slavers and change the title crawl to explain that they left the republic due to Padme pushing reforms in the senate.

Let Qui-Gons be Qui-Gons

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Vladius said:

I really like this. Especially in a prequel trilogy edit that eliminates one of the films and puts Kenobi as a new Episode III (assuming that’s something we’ll be able to do).

It would be dope if someone would be able to take Kenobi, Andor and Rogue One and combine them all into a Frankenstein-esque Episode III.

This is exactly what I’m hoping to see. Merge episodes 1 and 2 together to make a new first movie, make 3 the second, than edit Kenobi, Andor, and Rogue One together into a third movie.

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Peter Pan said:

Mrebo said:

Peter Pan said:

Mrebo said:

I think it helps greatly if we know that Shmi is no longer a slave. As difficult as it is for Anakin to try to forget about her, it’s more palatable if he knows she is free. I’d have this done in TPM and she is left behind because the Jedi don’t make allowances for parents tagging along. Qui-Gon gives a disapproving look and Shmi gets it and says, “my place is here. My future is here. It is time for you to let go.”

In AOTC I’d leave it implied that Anakin went back at least once, knows the Lars and plausibly had a conversation in years past with Owen about staying. So we would cut Watto in this telling.

I think the story is stronger if Anakin simply can’t let go of his mother even when she is relatively safe. Adopting Peter Pan’s idea to make it more explicitly the Jedi’s fault helps too. Especially with all of Anakin’s ranting about Obi-Wan holding him back which feels out of left field in the movie as is.

I don’t know if it might be cut so the line, “Mind your thoughts, Anakin, they betray you. You’ve made a commitment to the Jedi order…” applies to his dreams about his mother.

Today I played around with the scene you suggested and frankenbit something together, as Eddie would say. 😉
Its not perfect, I don’t particularly like the specific wording of the line I came up with, but I think this gets the idea across.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17C_nZGiBtV2jcEP5i1e0jCEQ4uqb13gS/view?usp=sharing

Good thought having it play in the background, it does seem to be a tough section to cut visually given how they continue walking through.

Yup, I am also trying to figure out the rest of the scene, because they continue talking about politics, with no apparent reason whereas in the original they were talking about Padmé and this lead to Obi-Wan vocalizing prejudice against politicians.
Maybe I’ll expand on the Anakin is frustrated with the Jedi angle. There are some lines, that could fit, like “I know, attachment is forbidden” or “I haven’t seen her in ten years”.

In general keeping Anakin at lot more rebellious might work for the story. Almost pushing it so far that it looks like he might leave the Jedi, would be very interesting I think. Here is a brought story outline of what I have in mind:
He joins the Jedi with the intention to help people and specifically free slaves, then ten years later he hasn’t really gotten to that and is feed up with the Jedi and their way of life. He is on the brink of leaving them to be with Padme, but the Republic goes to war with the Separatist and that’s why he stays a Jedi, because he feels that this is where he is needed the most.
Some details that would really make this work, would be to A) let Anakin and Padme know each other or even be a thing from the get go of AOTC and B) make the separatist slavers and change the title crawl to explain that they left the republic due to Padme pushing reforms in the senate.

This is a good idea to already have something between them. That would be a more credible and interesting way to tell the story. Makes it all more connected to Episode I as well.

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My attempt to implement the dialogue from the deleted scene “Anakin’s Nightmares”.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g30FKS5UM5zWfP647kFQndvR2sMeAk9J/view?usp=sharing

Very good. Some lines work very well. I’ve had a similar idea but hadn’t work out what lines might fit. This fits right in with where I’d want to take it.

The blue elephant in the room.

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That is good stuff.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Peter Pan, both of those scenes are impressive. Most impressive.

“No one is born ugly, we just live in a judgmental society.”- Kim Namjoon

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Yeah, that is really nice! Are you also making Anakin’s first saber green?

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RogueLeader said:

Are you also making Anakin’s first saber green?

Not really no, I changed AOTC structure, the movie starts on Geonosis now. I got the idea from an age old thread on this site: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Emanswfans-Prequel-Trilogy-Ep-II-Opening-Clips-Now-Available/id/14784

So Anakin and Obi-Wan just keep the sabers they get handed in the arena. I know there are the wrong handle, but thats not bothering me that much.

Let Qui-Gons be Qui-Gons

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T-202 said:

Peter Pan said:

Version 2.0 of the balcony scene, all jarring cuts removed by just not cutting back at all 😉

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qGjqTuUfP5uX6soZAY5sENl_BazjQFnK/view?usp=sharing

I think this works much better, also I really liked how you did the assassination attempt!

Thanks, the blaster fire is actually an old clip from snooker, I only changed the color of the blade. The original should be on this thread as well, just a ‘few’ pages back…

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I am thinking about how to add flashbacks of the Tusken to Anakins duel with Dooku in AOTC. The idea is to imply that the anger from that is fueling him.
Maybe this could be put before Anakin reenters the fight, so that it looks like Dooku threatening to kill Obi-Wan triggered Anakins flashbacks of his mother.

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