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TheAlaskanSandman said:

Well, Its not like we’re getting paid already. Its already a passion project for everyone on here. Now as far as deciding up something, yes we would need a Director (vision) and Producer (budget control) to help guide the ship and manage it. The rest is a chance to show our skill, work, and dedication to something we obviously care about and are already taking time to do. I would love for Adywan to just have done it, but he has chosen to just do the OT. I am completely open to teaming up as opposed to try and tackle it all myself. Im located in San Diego and have considered putting out an ad or something for fans with materials. Props, model ships, and or costumes. Comicon is here so i know there’s gotta be some people who are down. I need to get a camera and have been looking around and trying to figure out what i would need.

Some proposed shot’s i’ve considered include Theed civilians and soldiers shot largely on green screen with some props for buildings. This would be for an assault on Theed. With some Federation and Theed ship models for some scenes. Reshooting a couple elements on green screen like the cockpit view (looks too digital), or pilots in cockpit. Building some of this is not hard to me. Side walls for props, or flooring is easy and i have some stucco materials and paint already. Would just need some 2x4s and plywood. Im an artist though i’ve never worked with models and scales of models, though im more than interested to learn and or help out in any capacity i can. These are just ideas for TPM, but are largely actually fairly easy to pull off with co-ordination. The most extreme shots i had planned was new storm troopers for ATOC and ROTS, replacing a lot of digital ones.

Being able to film new elements allows us to better control narrative, pace, and vfx control. Sure some of us have some more extreme ideas, but there also seems to be a general consensus about somethings.

Just think its a topic worth discussing. The tech and capability is there for us, Adywan already showed us this. This would get the best results though if done right.

I’d be down for contributing to something like this. You’re right that civilians and soldiers would go a long way toward giving these movies more humanity. I can imagine in addition to Theed that Coruscant could really use more grunge and life. Beggars in the alleyways, people camped on the steps of the Jedi Temple hoping to catch a glimpse of the Jedi, graffiti on the walls…and just imagine if we could get our hands on some practical clone trooper costumes! Why there could be entire vignettes created around this, insert shots of troopers holding back the populace in the wake of Order 66, angry protesters throwing alien produce on the shiny clean clone armor…

There’s so much potential without even changing the plots of these movies at all. Perhaps that could be the goal; work to improve the story as it exists in those movies and make it look as good as possible. After that people could fanedit to their heart’s content and provide a diverse array of versions to suit whatever the viewer’s predilections.

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NeverarGreat said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Well, Its not like we’re getting paid already. Its already a passion project for everyone on here. Now as far as deciding up something, yes we would need a Director (vision) and Producer (budget control) to help guide the ship and manage it. The rest is a chance to show our skill, work, and dedication to something we obviously care about and are already taking time to do. I would love for Adywan to just have done it, but he has chosen to just do the OT. I am completely open to teaming up as opposed to try and tackle it all myself. Im located in San Diego and have considered putting out an ad or something for fans with materials. Props, model ships, and or costumes. Comicon is here so i know there’s gotta be some people who are down. I need to get a camera and have been looking around and trying to figure out what i would need.

Some proposed shot’s i’ve considered include Theed civilians and soldiers shot largely on green screen with some props for buildings. This would be for an assault on Theed. With some Federation and Theed ship models for some scenes. Reshooting a couple elements on green screen like the cockpit view (looks too digital), or pilots in cockpit. Building some of this is not hard to me. Side walls for props, or flooring is easy and i have some stucco materials and paint already. Would just need some 2x4s and plywood. Im an artist though i’ve never worked with models and scales of models, though im more than interested to learn and or help out in any capacity i can. These are just ideas for TPM, but are largely actually fairly easy to pull off with co-ordination. The most extreme shots i had planned was new storm troopers for ATOC and ROTS, replacing a lot of digital ones.

Being able to film new elements allows us to better control narrative, pace, and vfx control. Sure some of us have some more extreme ideas, but there also seems to be a general consensus about somethings.

Just think its a topic worth discussing. The tech and capability is there for us, Adywan already showed us this. This would get the best results though if done right.

I’d be down for contributing to something like this. You’re right that civilians and soldiers would go a long way toward giving these movies more humanity. I can imagine in addition to Theed that Coruscant could really use more grunge and life. Beggars in the alleyways, people camped on the steps of the Jedi Temple hoping to catch a glimpse of the Jedi, graffiti on the walls…and just imagine if we could get our hands on some practical clone trooper costumes! Why there could be entire vignettes created around this, insert shots of troopers holding back the populace in the wake of Order 66, angry protesters throwing alien produce on the shiny clean clone armor…

There’s so much potential without even changing the plots of these movies at all. Perhaps that could be the goal; work to improve the story as it exists in those movies and make it look as good as possible. After that people could fanedit to their heart’s content and provide a diverse array of versions to suit whatever the viewer’s predilections.

That’s really what i think i should be done, just trying to improve the story Lucas already put forth. These scenes would run no more than a minute or two tops at a time, some far shorter than that. Just little establishments to breath life and humanity into the stories, help tell and covey the war, and improve overly ambitious cgi effects for their time. While bridging the PT and OT together.

You and I are at least a start, and if we can get more people on board then we have a chance. Start by making outfits, props, and models. We can discuss planned shots in the meantime. Once we have many of the props, outfits, and models in place. The options for possible shoots will open up and increase. As many practical effects or lighting that we can do in camera will go a long ways towards finalizing cgi and compositing. Strobe flashes, lights on ships or guns that light up, etc. We likely wont be able to get carried away with pyrotechnics, but somethings are achievable. An airhose blasting stuff into the shot would suffice for some shots. Saving money where we can will be important.

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https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Prequel-Trilogy-Revised-Trailer/id/70831

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I like this idea. Adywan never got to do PT:Revisited, so this will be the closest we get to it.

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Despite what I said before, I’d be happy to help however I can. Maybe we should make a new thread for this collective effort?

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Maybe a list could be made of potential ideas that would take that extra bit of effort to implement and can be executed separately, rather than trying to plan a large-scale project that could become quickly overwhelming. Or, at least the ideas in that project could be divided in a way that they could be tackled separately.

For example, one thing could be the Clone Trooper project, where we could get some different cosplayers in front of a green screen to replace some of the CGI clones. Another idea could be related to ship model work, or Anakin slaughtering Jedi on mustafar instead of Separatists. These are things that could be tackled by different people at different times, but laying out the ideas and what it would take to execute them might make this whole thing more tangible.

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RogueLeader said:

Maybe a list could be made of potential ideas that would take that extra bit of effort to implement and can be executed separately, rather than trying to plan a large-scale project that could become quickly overwhelming. Or, at least the ideas in that project could be divided in a way that they could be tackled separately.

For example, one thing could be the Clone Trooper project, where we could get some different cosplayers in front of a green screen to replace some of the CGI clones. Another idea could be related to ship model work, or Anakin slaughtering Jedi on mustafar instead of Separatists. These are things that could be tackled by different people at different times, but laying out the ideas and what it would take to execute them might make this whole thing more tangible.

I think starting with a list of ideas and working from there is a good place to start. As we get things built up, people can then have a better idea of where we are going and what needs to be done. Keeping things practical will help. As much as i would love new scenes of Anakin, it would be very hard to pull off. Anything with Anakin would have to be hooded and more from back views of him. Unless we can deep fake the actors face? We also need to be mindful over the amount of extras. As much as a mob protesting would be, that’s alot of people to get together. So breaking things apart by feasibility will help. Model ships are probably one of the easiest to film just cause no actors.
If we get together a few shots, itll go a long ways to trying to raise donations also. Something to show proof of concept.

Muclunkey!
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Random ROTS edit idea: Instead of having Yoda and Obi-wan attack the heavily guarded Jedi temple head on, use Yoda’s escape through the small access tubes as his infiltration of the temple, intercutting this with the Chancellor’s speech. Yoda’s later escape from Palpatine need never be shown.

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Would there be a continuity issue with Yoda not wearing his robe crawling through the access tubes and then wearing his robes later?

EDIT: Though he somehow has a new robe on Polis Massa anyway…

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I have had a few random prequel thoughts recently…

Regarding AOTC, I have mentioned this idea before but I think one of the weirdest continuity issues between the PT and the OT is how Owen, Beru and Anakin are practically strangers when in the OT they seem to have had some kind of relationship. Yes, you could say, *“well Shmi told Owen and Beru all about Anakin and they felt like they knew him”. It just feels weird. Would it really be so weird if when Anakin and Padme go to Tatooine, they go straight to the Lars homestead? It has been 10 years since the Phantom Menace, and nothing in the movies really says that Anakin couldn’t have gone back to see his mother.

If you change the way 3PO greets them, make it like he actually recognizes them, and cut the introduction with the Lars family, there could be the implication that Anakin has been there before. Also, if you could find some Anthony Daniels dialogue where 3PO calls Padme their liberator or savior, you could get the idea across that Padme went back and freed Shmi right after TPM. Apparently in the new canon novel, Queen’s Shadow, she actually does go back to try and free her, but when she goes back she can’t find Shmi. (Why didn’t she just talk to Watto like Anakin did?). Again, I know this might be confusing for the audience, but it has been 10 years, and I think there would be enough for the audience to infer that things have just changed during that time and pick up on the context clues.

Another thought regarding ROTS, I’ve noticed that a lot of edits that cut out Yoda ever using his lightsaber seem to leave in the moment Yoda cuts the clones heads off. I can see how that might be okay since it is a very quick moment, but I feel like it kind of defeats the purpose if you’re wanting Yoda to never use a lightsaber at all. There may be an edit that does this, but if you wanted to remove that moment too, you could do something like this.

  • Have Yoda sense the beginning of the purge and drop his cane.
  • Next time we’re on Kashyyyk, have it be when the walkers are stomping around looking for Wookies at night, but change the dialogue to something like, “No sign of the Jedi, move to the east.”
  • Then, have Yoda’s escape pod scene (but maybe cut around Chewbacca…)

I think the idea would get across that Yoda just sense what was happening and got away before the clones got a chance to strike. Maybe this kind of edit would just not flow well, which is why it has never been done.

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NeverarGreat said:

I figure he could just have picked another one up off of the corpse of a youngling.

Mourn them he does not. Miss them he does not.

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Could AOTC work without the kiss on Naboo scene? I do think heavily cutting it allows for an interesting implication that Anakin and Padmé sleep together that night (like Hal mentions in his commentary), but I feel most versions of the scene cut off abruptly in order to lose Padmé pulling away, and you also have the weird continuity where Padmé is wearing one dress in the previous dinner scene and then wearing an entirely different dress in next. Yes, she does change outfits from scene to scene a lot, but it feels like these two scenes could take place just an hour or less between each other.

I do wonder if the film would work just as well if their kiss in the Petranaki arena was their first kiss. Or potentially better, if we build their relationship over the course of the story and they don’t actually confess their love and kiss until the climax of the film, right before they think they’re about to die.

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Had to.

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I see no reason not to cut the whole balcony scene altogether. It’s the worst written and performed dialogue of the entire PT in my opinion and it adds NOTHING to what little story there is.

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One downside is that you lose a little more runtime, but honestly you could throw back in Padmé confronting Dooku (if one hasn’t already) and you would probably make up for that lost time.

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Since C3PO gets his mind wiped in Episode 3, it would make sense that he has a different personality before and after the wipe.

Maybe the original idea of him as a sort of slimy used car salesman could show up in the prequels through dubbing. Especially if Anakin and Watto would have built him.

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SparkySywer said:

Maybe the original idea of him as a sort of slimy used car salesman could show up in the prequels through dubbing. Especially if Anakin and Watto would have built him.

How about just making him Peter Popoff, but God’s just Anakin to him - thank the maker?

Was this worth even typing?

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stickydixon said:

SparkySywer said:

Maybe the original idea of him as a sort of slimy used car salesman could show up in the prequels through dubbing. Especially if Anakin and Watto would have built him.

How about just making him Peter Popoff, but God’s just Anakin to him - thank the maker?

Was this worth even typing?

Popoff can never be mocked enough. So yes, it was worth it. Absolutely.

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Anyone wanna try deepfaking a young Hayden Christensen onto Jake Lloyd to make for a smoother transition between films?