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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 323

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lol

PM me for links to my edits; apparently, some feel shy about this.

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snooker said:

major changes:

-more dynamic camera operation for a less boring viewing experience
-Amidala’s voice is shifted up
-Gunray speaks alien language
-Restructured scenes heavily

https://streamable.com/du5zz

Does anyone have any ideas for an alternate, non-gungan way to reveal Amidala’s queenship before this scene?

I thought about it for a bit and threw this idea together. Now, this does include Boss Nass so you might throw the idea right out the window…or maybe this could be a springboard.

https://youtu.be/FB5-NyQSLnQ

Ending on her saying “I’m Queen Amidala” could be kind of cool…but how to get there without gungans? I’m not yet sure.

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I’ve always thought it’d be great if there was someway to reveal that Padme = the Queen basically immediately, so that we’re never left in the dark and are able to follow Padme’s emotionally journey coherently throughout the film.

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DominicCobb said:

I’ve always thought it’d be great if there was someway to reveal that Padme = the Queen basically immediately, so that we’re never left in the dark and are able to follow Padme’s emotionally journey coherently throughout the film.

Certainly makes sense. You think just we as the audience should know, or the other main characters as well (minus the villains)?

Hmm…what if the reveal was as they were about to enter Mos Epsa?

Panaka: The queen wishes it. She’s curious about the planet.
Qui-gon: The queen doesn’t need to know.
Padme: I am queen Amidala.

I don’t know how one would address the queen’s body guard…

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

DominicCobb said:

I’ve always thought it’d be great if there was someway to reveal that Padme = the Queen basically immediately, so that we’re never left in the dark and are able to follow Padme’s emotionally journey coherently throughout the film.

Certainly makes sense. You think just we as the audience should know, or the other main characters as well (minus the villains)?

Hmm…what if the reveal was as they were about to enter Mos Epsa?

Panaka: The queen wishes it. She’s curious about the planet.
Qui-gon: The queen doesn’t need to know.
Padme: I am queen Amidala.

I don’t know how one would address the queen’s body guard…

Unfortunately that whole section of the film relies upon Padme being just a handmaiden, not the Queen. Qui-Gon’s basically using the fact that Padme is unwilling to reveal herself to get his own way.

It would have to be some way that the audience knows right away, even if the characters aren’t explicitly told until later in the film. Usually a change like this is executed easiest in a crawl but that doesn’t seem possible here.

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DominicCobb said:

Unfortunately that whole section of the film relies upon Padme being just a handmaiden, not the Queen. Qui-Gon’s basically using the fact that Padme is unwilling to reveal herself to get his own way.

It would have to be some way that the audience knows right away, even if the characters aren’t explicitly told until later in the film. Usually a change like this is executed easiest in a crawl but that doesn’t seem possible here.

Hmm…well, she’s not Queen of Tatooine so there’s no reason Qui-Gon would have to obey her. Still, it probably works better the way it is in the film simply for the fact that a change like that should alter the way the characters interact with each other.

Yeah, I don’t know how you could communicate this idea early in the film to the audience. If it could be done visually with very little to no dialogue… If you could show the two of them in a shot or two where they’re switching costumes right before the battle droids come-…man, there’s like, nothing to work with, is there?

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When Padmé as Queen is looking out her palace window as the battle droids march up the streets of Theed, you could have create new off-screen dialogue of a guard or handmaiden regarding the switch or decoy.

Something like, “Hurry, your Highness, your decoy is ready.”
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“Your decoy is in position. We need to disguise you quickly!”

When Obi-Wan calls her Your Highness during the briefing, maybe you could somehow re-implement Anakin’s reaction shots from her theatrical reveal. I guess this would be the first time Anakin would realize it in this version, but I don’t think it is hard to assume everyone else was informed offscreen, if they didn’t already know.

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I feel like it works better if she’s not the queen at all. The handmaiden who becomes a senator and hero is much more interesting to me.

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TK42-WAN said:

I posted this here a while back, but I am hoping to get back to this edit now I have the time. I love feedback on what people think of the restructuring of the duel. I’ve attempted to keep it in line with the physics of the OT.

WIP. Incomplete audio.

https://vimeo.com/321404471

Password: FANEDIT

I like what you’ve done here in streamlining the duel and eliminating the crazy physics. The deletion of all the dialogue was also a fantastic touch. Even if it was meant to be part of a larger prequel/Kenobi edit, the no-dialogue approach still works.

My one suggestion would be to eliminate or move the shot of the shuttle arriving if you want the duel to be a stand-alone piece (e.g., inserted in ROTJ or as a short feature).

A larger idea that I’ve long pondered would be to have a red saber-wielding Anakin (who gave his blue lightsaber to Padme, who subsequently gave it to Obi-Wan) simply going over the lavafall with the control arm thing. This would probably only work in a prequel/machete/Kenobi edit that operates on the presumption that Anakin dies and we don’t know who this “Vader” is until ESB.

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DominicCobb said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

DominicCobb said:

I’ve always thought it’d be great if there was someway to reveal that Padme = the Queen basically immediately, so that we’re never left in the dark and are able to follow Padme’s emotionally journey coherently throughout the film.

Certainly makes sense. You think just we as the audience should know, or the other main characters as well (minus the villains)?

Hmm…what if the reveal was as they were about to enter Mos Epsa?

Panaka: The queen wishes it. She’s curious about the planet.
Qui-gon: The queen doesn’t need to know.
Padme: I am queen Amidala.

I don’t know how one would address the queen’s body guard…

Unfortunately that whole section of the film relies upon Padme being just a handmaiden, not the Queen. Qui-Gon’s basically using the fact that Padme is unwilling to reveal herself to get his own way.

It would have to be some way that the audience knows right away, even if the characters aren’t explicitly told until later in the film. Usually a change like this is executed easiest in a crawl but that doesn’t seem possible here.

One of the workarounds is just removing the third person speak from various bits of dialogue, for example when they first land on Tatooine, Captian Panaka says “Her highness commands you to take her handmaiden with you” you can make a tricky cut to “Her highness commands you to take her with you.”

This also requires some really careful watching for implications of many scenes throughout, but from my rough cuts it’s doable, the trick is making it NOT confusing upon the first watch, I’d have to test screen in order to see if it still works that way.

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Smithers said:

Darth Lucas said:

I feel like it works better if she’s not the queen at all. The handmaiden who becomes a senator and hero is much more interesting to me.

Also doable, but then the queen drama near the end needs to go, regardless, the movie gets really short really fast, if only we had more footage to work with.

I like this idea for sure (Padme = handmaiden only). It would help make a stronger connection between Padme and Anakin. Both starting off in life in a bit of a lowly position and then growing into their roles in the other films.
Also, it would work perfectly with Padmes line in AOTC: “But when the queen asked me to serve as senator, I couldn’t refuse her.”

Unfortunately, I don’t see how you could implement this in TPM. I mean, with the events that unfold, you’d (at the very least) have to have a scene at the end where Padme is recognized for her bravery by the queen or- …hmm…it would be interesting to see if the footage of Padme coming before Boss Nass could somehow be reworked into this idea. Heck, she even smiles and the people cheer at the end of the scene.

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I’m favor of Padme not being the Queen. Solves the whole elected monarchy debacle.

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If you did that, would you frame the scenes where she is dressed as the Queen as her being a decoy?

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I think the Maiden disguise is so obvious that it needs no explanation.
Amidala switches places with her maiden frequently for security reasons.
Qui-Gon’s expressions makes it obvious, but he goes with it. So should do the same 😃

So you can cut the reveal to the Gungans. They appear because the Queen asks Jar Jar to bring them. That also gives Jar Jar a reason to be in the movie 😉

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snooker, I had a couple of thoughts on a video you posted a few pages ago (not quite sure where it is) of a new introduction for Anakin in Watto’s shop. I like what you’ve done with it. Something I noticed watching it again is that you can hear the “door bell” sound effect and Watto uses the same greeting when he greets Qui-gon and company. Whether this was intentional or not, it appears Watto is greeting a possible customer walking in the store. If this is the case, you could really sell this idea by cutting in an altered shot of the door (with Jar Jar leaving the store) to imply either there are no customers or show a figure walking by the store. It would imply Watto’s business is not doing so well. Did that make sense? Sometimes I have a hard time describing this stuff. 😛

Another idea (in the same clip) is Anakin and Sebulba’s exchange before the pod race. I don’t know how you feel about it, but I’m not a huge fan of the words “Bantha poo doo”. You could potentially remove that whole sentence and simply have Sebulba laughing at Anakin as he walks away.

Food for thought.

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https://streamable.com/rfpe0

Playing around with sound design in the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight. I feel like removing the score and just hearing them go at it makes it much more powerful and less stupid to watch.

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snooker said:

https://streamable.com/rfpe0

Playing around with sound design in the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight. I feel like removing the score and just hearing them go at it makes it much more powerful and less stupid to watch.

Removing the score entirely is a mistake in my opinion if you want power, that music really is some of the best of the prequels, could it be within a longer sequence punctuated by score like the trench run in ANH?

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I do like ‘Battle of the Heroes’ on its own, but the final confrontation of Anakin and Obi-Wan shouldn’t be ‘epic’, it should be upsetting.

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I like this. Battle of Heroes definitely makes you enjoy the fight, but unlike the duel with Maul you shouldn’t really enjoy seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin fight.

However, I think there should be some music here. Without it, it feels strange. Something soft and tragic to make us feel saddened by the fight. I overlayed this piece from Infinity War onto your clip and it worked well (maybe increase the volume for it a bit) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjCCWD-bL0

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Yeah, I like that a lot. Excellent idea.

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snooker said:

I do like ‘Battle of the Heroes’ on its own, but the final confrontation of Anakin and Obi-Wan shouldn’t be ‘epic’, it should be upsetting.

Love your sound design. And I agree about how the music should be upsetting.

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That’s solid audio work on the sabers, but the foley/other SFX needs work. (Granted, I didn’t watch the whole thing.)

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