The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 32

This is where colour alteration can be a radical change.

I suggested some pages back (and I'm sure other people must have thought of this too) that the robes should be recoloured to tie in more with what Luke wears in ROTJ (black under tunic and boots with a dark brown hooded cloak).

The designs could be very different but the colour scheme stay the same.

Obi-Wan in the OT is dressed to fit in with what the moisture farmers on Tatooine wear so there is no reason why all the Jedi, in their prime, have to dress like that when they aren't undercover on Tatooine, unless we are meant to believe that Obi-Wan chose Tatooine to place Luke and hide so he can wear the same set of clothes for the next two decades.

What's with the messing with the puppet TPM Yoda? It has already been replaced with CG Yoda as seen in short snippet on the ROTS DVD. It will probably see a blu ray release in the next two years sometime.

They already did it! Just didn't release it yet.

He meant in case they don't RELEASE it -_-

Sevb32 said:

They already did it! Just didn't release it yet.

They may well have already done it but I for one am not sure if I will be buying a blue ray player for a long while and going by the DVD set I'm not sure I will buy the same film again for the umpty thrumptieth time, possibly at a stupid inflated price and with the Ugnaughts replaced by cats wearing dog outfits waving turquoise laser toothpicks around in the latest round of George's attempt to capture his original vision and with everything tinted mauve this time.

The TPM puppet is an element (a really awful element) but while fiddling about doing something else I saw it starting to look a bit like Yoda so I posted a few pictures to see if it was just an accident or if anything could be done to save this very expensive mistake.

Clearly nothing can but it was worth a try especially seeing as we have no idea when this CGI Yoda will turn up and there are a lot of people who want to do edits of these films now (think of how many edits we may have missed if we waited on Lucas, would we be actually editing at if we waited on him long enough he might make the perfect Star Wars anyway, unlikely but possible).

We have no guarentee that the new CGI Yoda will work any more than the new Jabba in the DVD version of ANH did (same model as in TPM but colour and lighting way off and no solution to the tail stepping problem).

Just saying George is going to fix it if we buy yet another version of a film he should have got right the first time is no reason to be complacent.

I've been having a thought about the Trade Federation and the boring tax situation, Magnoliafan turned them into slave traders, but if a skilled artist manipulated those carved faces at the Gungan sacred place there could be another reason for them wanting the planet.

Something like this (only better):

Now it's more of a case of wanting it back rather than just wanting it.

They could have colonised the planet a long time back when the Gungans were still a primitive race (something the Trade Federation still think they are) only to be driven off by the Naboo. The Gungans religion could have started off as a Cargo Cult worshiping the Neimodians as Gods, later as they became a sophisticated race they still believed in the Gods but didn't recognise the Trade Federation as being them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

It would explain such practises as life debts if their Gods were really business obsessed bureaucrats and there are many regions on our planet which nations argue they have a legitmate claim to even though they haven't held that area for centuries.

Who nows?

Does it matter?

ROTS:revisited is probably another 10 years away...

InfoDroid said:

BingoWings,

That's an interesting idea about the Neimoidians being worshipped as gods...has a Stargate feel to it.  It could work by using subtitles for Neimoidians and Gungans, but it would be tricky.  How can that be developed and tied into the reason they're invading?

Alternate history time.

A longer time ago in a galaxy far far away....

The planet Naboo was home to the Gungans, a relatively primitive race.

The Neimoidian Federation was at war with humans who were expanding into their sphere of influence.

The Neimodians colonised the planet as a staging post during their war, the Gungans saw their advanced technology and believed them to be gods.

Eventually the humans drove the Neimodians off the planet and claiming it for themselves.

The Naboo and the Neimoidians later became members of the Republic but the defeat entered into the history books of the Neimodians and the resentment remained (it became a cultural yearning to reclaim the world even thousands of years later, there are plenty of real world examples).

The Gungans developed their own advanced culture along side but seperate from the Naboo, partially enhanced by studying technology left behind by their Gods.

Initially they resented the Naboo for driving their Gods away but thousands of years later the reasons for their resentment had largely been forgotten and developed more of a cultural flavour.

The Gungan religion remained but when the Neimodians returned the Gungans were too sophisticated a race to see them as their Gods of old.

Palpatine played on these ancient feuds to spark one side of his phony war.

If Nute Gunray could reclaim Naboo legally he would return home a strong leader who has returned a long lost province.

The Republic would be thrown into chaos because one member race has attacked another and the Senate has done very little to nothing to stop it.

The Trade Federation could even use the Gungans to legitimise their invasion, claiming falsely that they are a force of liberation returning the planet to it's indigenous people (which would give Jar-Jar more of a reason to be in the story).

InfoDroid said:

I like that...  :D

It would be hard though to get all of that exposition into the movie without either having a prologue which explains it or an entire crawl dedicated just to that.

It wouldn't have to be all explained a few hints in the crawl, a few comments in subtitles and a few visual cues like adjusting the Easter Island head things should be enough.

The rest could be filled in by the imagination of the audience.

Remember how much more fun the Clone Wars and Darth Vader's Jedi Purge looked when it was just a few words rolling around in your head?

The same could be going on here.

Lucas made a rich backstory in very broad strokes for the OT which added to the texture of the rather simple story of ANH.

When he did the prequels (basically fleshing out that back story) he should have replaced it with a backstory of it's own.

The few attempts aren't strong enough (we haven't a clue why the Sith want their revenge for example).

The only really interesting bauble in my view was the Darth Plagueis thing.

Giving Dooku a backstory and adding a backstory to the Naboo crisis would go someway to making the PT as enjoyable as the OT.

Well, you asked what he's planning on doing.  We don't know.  There really isn't much more we can discuss about it at this point, since we also have no idea what he's planning with the PT in general, much less ROTS.  Hell, we know very little about what he's planning for ROTJ, other than that it's going to be extensive, and the ending battle will be expanded considerably.

Now, if you want to discuss ideas about what Ady could do with his Vader suit for ROTS, by all means go for it, but most of us aren't thinking anywhere near that far ahead and probably won't until at least TPM:Revisited comes out so we know the general direction that Ady wants to take his PT edits.

I think we will all be thinking that far ahead all the way up to seeing ROTS:R but I doubt if we will get much in the way of answers for a long long time.

This isn't an exclusively Ady centred thread anyway.

It would be fun to come up with ideas of what could be done in a Vader suit so anyone with balls to make one and film it (including Ady) could have a look and see what appeals to them.

That's a game we can all enjoy but we are still putting up ideas for ESB:R which won't appear for another year so getting even concrete rumours about ROTS:R is a bit like mining for fossilised telephone sanitisers.

Bingowings said:

fossilised telephone sanitisers.

I have no idea what this means, but it made me laugh so hard I spit my drink out all over my keyboard.  Well done, sir.

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings said:

fossilised telephone sanitisers.

I have no idea what this means, but it made me laugh so hard I spit my drink out all over my keyboard.  Well done, sir.

Don't panic!

And don't blame me for your keyboard, blame the late Douglas Adams.

Golgafrincham is a red semi-desert planet that is home of the Great Circling Poets of Arium and a species of particularly inspiring lichen. Its people decided it was time to rid themselves of an entire useless third of their population, and so the descendants of the Circling Poets concocted a story that their planet would shortly be destroyed in a great catastrophe. (It was apparently under threat from a "mutant star goat"). The useless third of the population (consisting of hairdressers, tired TV producers*, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitizers and the like) were packed into the B-Ark, one of three giant Ark spaceships, and told that everyone else would follow shortly in the other two. The other two thirds of the population, of course, did not follow and "led full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone".

The B-Ark was programmed to crash-land on a suitably remote planet on one of the outer spiral arms of the galaxy, which happened to be Earth, and the Golgafrinchan rejects gradually mingled with and usurped the native cavemen**, becoming the ancestors of humanity and thereby altering the course of the great experiment to find the question for the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, or so Ford Prefect presumes. A lot of them didn't make it through the winter three years prior to Arthur Dent's reunion with Ford Prefect, and the few who remained in the spring said they needed a holiday and set out on a raft. History says they must have survived.

Makes you wonder where Ronald D. Moore get's his ideas.

DarkFather said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Well, you asked what he's planning on doing.  We don't know.  There really isn't much more we can discuss about it at this point, since we also have no idea what he's planning with the PT in general, much less ROTS.  Hell, we know very little about what he's planning for ROTJ, other than that it's going to be extensive, and the ending battle will be expanded considerably.

Now, if you want to discuss ideas about what Ady could do with his Vader suit for ROTS, by all means go for it, but most of us aren't thinking anywhere near that far ahead and probably won't until at least TPM:Revisited comes out so we know the general direction that Ady wants to take his PT edits.

"Who nows" wasn't an answer.

 You can see my first comment as an invite to discuss what we think needs to be in the new footage.

"Who nows" [sic] sounds more like a question to me too (possibly one of those rare questions that answers itself with itself).

Invitations have been sent so let the party commence (under the circumstances fancy dress seems obligatory)!

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings said:

fossilised telephone sanitisers.

I have no idea what this means, but it made me laugh so hard I spit my drink out all over my keyboard.  Well done, sir.

Don't panic!

And don't blame me for your keyboard, blame the late Douglas Adams.

Golgafrincham is a red semi-desert planet that is home of the Great Circling Poets of Arium and a species of particularly inspiring lichen. Its people decided it was time to rid themselves of an entire useless third of their population, and so the descendants of the Circling Poets concocted a story that their planet would shortly be destroyed in a great catastrophe. (It was apparently under threat from a "mutant star goat"). The useless third of the population (consisting of hairdressers, tired TV producers*, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitizers and the like) were packed into the B-Ark, one of three giant Ark spaceships, and told that everyone else would follow shortly in the other two. The other two thirds of the population, of course, did not follow and "led full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone".

The B-Ark was programmed to crash-land on a suitably remote planet on one of the outer spiral arms of the galaxy, which happened to be Earth, and the Golgafrinchan rejects gradually mingled with and usurped the native cavemen**, becoming the ancestors of humanity and thereby altering the course of the great experiment to find the question for the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, or so Ford Prefect presumes. A lot of them didn't make it through the winter three years prior to Arthur Dent's reunion with Ford Prefect, and the few who remained in the spring said they needed a holiday and set out on a raft. History says they must have survived.

Makes you wonder where Ronald D. Moore get's his ideas.

Wow.  I feel stupid now - I've been listening to the original H2G2 radio plays all day, and I still didn't get it!

And the keyboard isn't ruined - I had an Avid keyboard cover on top of it, so it just got all over that.  No worries - and thanks to you (and DNA) for the laugh!

Bingowings said:

Sevb32 said:

They already did it! Just didn't release it yet.

They may well have already done it but I for one am not sure if I will be buying a blue ray player for a long while and going by the DVD set I'm not sure I will buy the same film again for the umpty thrumptieth time, possibly at a stupid inflated price and with the Ugnaughts replaced by cats wearing dog outfits waving turquoise laser toothpicks around in the latest round of George's attempt to capture his original vision and with everything tinted mauve this time.

The TPM puppet is an element (a really awful element) but while fiddling about doing something else I saw it starting to look a bit like Yoda so I posted a few pictures to see if it was just an accident or if anything could be done to save this very expensive mistake.

Clearly nothing can but it was worth a try especially seeing as we have no idea when this CGI Yoda will turn up and there are a lot of people who want to do edits of these films now (think of how many edits we may have missed if we waited on Lucas, would we be actually editing at if we waited on him long enough he might make the perfect Star Wars anyway, unlikely but possible).

We have no guarentee that the new CGI Yoda will work any more than the new Jabba in the DVD version of ANH did (same model as in TPM but colour and lighting way off and no solution to the tail stepping problem).

Just saying George is going to fix it if we buy yet another version of a film he should have got right the first time is no reason to be complacent.

I've been having a thought about the Trade Federation and the boring tax situation, Magnoliafan turned them into slave traders, but if a skilled artist manipulated those carved faces at the Gungan sacred place there could be another reason for them wanting the planet.

Something like this (only better):

Now it's more of a case of wanting it back rather than just wanting it.

They could have colonised the planet a long time back when the Gungans were still a primitive race (something the Trade Federation still think they are) only to be driven off by the Naboo. The Gungans religion could have started off as a Cargo Cult worshiping the Neimodians as Gods, later as they became a sophisticated race they still believed in the Gods but didn't recognise the Trade Federation as being them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

It would explain such practises as life debts if their Gods were really business obsessed bureaucrats and there are many regions on our planet which nations argue they have a legitmate claim to even though they haven't held that area for centuries.

 

I'd love to see that

"That's two".

I'll try and do some nicer mock-ups later and might even try my hand at penning a few subtitles to see how far we can push this thing.

vaderios said:

Tell me stupid but now i notice that you made a nosejob to this statue!

Yes bring more

 

-Angel

I noticed that the eyes were almost there already and half the heads are buried beyond the nose anyway.