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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 29

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Hahaha...I don't know...maybe I let something slip.  ;) 

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InfoDroid said:

JasonN, I thought you were making Qui-Gon the one who ordered the clone army...oh, wait...maybe that was Type12point.

No, that must be someone else, cause I keep the Sifa-Dias reference in my edit.

Thinking about the idea of Dooku and Mace having a similar position on the Jedi Council (Grand Master, perhaps?), I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I should also rotoscope Yoda's lightsaber to be purple as well in my EP3 edit (when he dispatches the two clonetroopers who are trying to kill him on Kahshiek), since he should also have the same position or higher than Mace and Dooku.

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JasonN said:
InfoDroid said:

JasonN, I thought you were making Qui-Gon the one who ordered the clone army...oh, wait...maybe that was Type12point.

No, that must be someone else, cause I keep the Sifa-Dias reference in my edit.

Thinking about the idea of Dooku and Mace having a similar position on the Jedi Council (Grand Master, perhaps?), I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I should also rotoscope Yoda's lightsaber to be purple as well in my EP3 edit (when he dispatches the two clonetroopers who are trying to kill him on Kahshiek), since he should also have the same position or higher than Mace and Dooku.

Ummm...Don't do that.lol

 

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would be good to have dooku and mace either side of yoda in the council chamber in ep I.

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Josh said:

Ummm...Don't do that.lol

Why?

 

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JasonN said:
Josh said:

Ummm...Don't do that.lol

Why?

 

sorry, I just can't imagine yoda with a purple saber, but hey, it's your edit...

 

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it would be kinda cool having yoda as purple, then it would be like the three purple sabers all fail to stop sidious.

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ben_danger said:

it would be kinda cool having yoda as purple, then it would be like the three purple sabers all fail to stop sidious.

Except that I completely removed the Yoda/Sidious duel from the film. ;)

Still, this might be an idea worth pursuing  - yes, I  know some people hate purple lightsaber, but since Yoda and Mace share a similar position on the Council, there should be some visual signifier as to their rank and the lightsaber color would work to that effect (the biggest question that I always had with AotC and RotS was why was Mace's lightsaber the only one that was purple; if Yoda, Mace, and Dooku all shared a similar high position on the Council, then maybe their lightsabers should have the same color)

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JasonN said:
ben_danger said:

it would be kinda cool having yoda as purple, then it would be like the three purple sabers all fail to stop sidious.

Except that I completely removed the Yoda/Sidious duel from the film. ;)

Still, this might be an idea worth pursuing  - yes, I  know some people hate purple lightsaber, but since Yoda and Mace share a similar position on the Council, there should be some visual signifier as to their rank and the lightsaber color would work to that effect (the biggest question that I always had with AotC and RotS was why was Mace's lightsaber the only one that was purple; if Yoda, Mace, and Dooku all shared a similar high position on the Council, then maybe their lightsabers should have the same color)

So Obi wan should have green? I like that, but i thought all the jedi masters are even.

 

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all this lightsaber colors are annoying if adywan gets to the prequels, let all the jedi have blue lightsabers except for windu, yoda and dooku, they should have green to reinforce the rarity of such color and what vader says to luke in rotj

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i must admit, if i had it my way i would have various blues across the board (5th time ive mentioned that now :P) , i mainly like dookus purple though as it adds an element of ambiguity to him, like he has compromised but not turned evil.

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Darth Piccolo said:

all this lightsaber colors are annoying if adywan gets to the prequels, let all the jedi have blue lightsabers except for windu, yoda and dooku, they should have green to reinforce the rarity of such color and what vader says to luke in rotj

Yeah... because no faneditor will ever make the PT into a good or halfway decent set of films... except for Adywan, of course. :/

EDIT: Please note that I am not bashing Adywan - he's an excellent editor and it was through his Revisited edit that brought back my interest in Star Wars (something that I thought had been dead for the last ten years). However, I am just slightly tired and annoyed of coming across people that have this absolute-unyielding belief that unless your name is Adywan, your fanedit/s are worth less than s**t.

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JasonN said:
Darth Piccolo said:

all this lightsaber colors are annoying if adywan gets to the prequels, let all the jedi have blue lightsabers except for windu, yoda and dooku, they should have green to reinforce the rarity of such color and what vader says to luke in rotj

Yeah... because no faneditor will ever make the PT into a good or halfway decent set of films... except for Adywan, of course. :/

EDIT: Please note that I am not bashing Adywan - he's an excellent editor and it was through his Revisited edit that brought back my interest in Star Wars (something that I thought had been dead for the last ten years). However, I am just slightly tired and annoyed of coming across people that have this absolute-unyielding belief that unless your name is Adywan, your fanedit/s are worth less than s**t.

I know what you mean, Jason.  I get that feeling too.  It's incredibly frustrating.  Not taking anything away from Adywan, of course.  He deserves all the accolades he gets.  But he won't be making it to the Prequels for a long time.

 

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JasonN said:
Darth Piccolo said:

all this lightsaber colors are annoying if adywan gets to the prequels, let all the jedi have blue lightsabers except for windu, yoda and dooku, they should have green to reinforce the rarity of such color and what vader says to luke in rotj

Yeah... because no faneditor will ever make the PT into a good or halfway decent set of films... except for Adywan, of course. :/

EDIT: Please note that I am not bashing Adywan - he's an excellent editor and it was through his Revisited edit that brought back my interest in Star Wars (something that I thought had been dead for the last ten years). However, I am just slightly tired and annoyed of coming across people that have this absolute-unyielding belief that unless your name is Adywan, your fanedit/s are worth less than s**t.

I've argued this elsewhere as well.  Ady is absolutely incredible.  I just would like to see others jump in the fray as well.

 As far as the lightsabers go, I think I like the idea of the purple saber being set aside for the Jedi who is falling or who is not conforming to the dictates of the council.  Using color to determine rank is to 'Imperial' for me, if you take my meaning.  I want the lightsaber colors to have an 'emotional' or symbolic meaning rather than a military one.

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Sluggo said:

As far as the lightsabers go, I think I like the idea of the purple saber being set aside for the Jedi who is falling or who is not conforming to the dictates of the council.  Using color to determine rank is to 'Imperial' for me, if you take my meaning.  I want the lightsaber colors to have an 'emotional' or symbolic meaning rather than a military one.

But my point is, what is the symbolism of Mace Windu's lightsaber color?
Lucas gave us absolutely no reason why Mace should be the only one to have a purple lightsaber in the PT (maybe he did it for s**ts and giggles...), so why not put the color of his lightsaber to an effective use?

I'm not saying that there should to be rigid "Ranking System" for the Jedi - not at all. But Yoda and Mace do seem to be at the top of the order, so why not present a visual indication of that higher mastery? (and purple/violet is often regarded to be one of the highest "color ranks" in symbolism, according to some of the esoteric/mystery religions that I've researched and studied)

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Ok, I see what you are saying.  It does seem daft for Mace to be the odd man out with the purple saber.  I guess the real trick with either option (ranking or emotion) is can it be conveyed to the audience that there is some significance to the different colors without beating the reason into their heads without a lot of extra exposition.

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I continue this conv away from ESB:R thread

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a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Thats True. Plus how everything look fake and in some cases bad composited in AOTC compare with the ROTS

 

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vaderios said:

I continue this conv away from ESB:R thread

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a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Thats True. Plus how everything look fake and in some cases bad composited in AOTC compare with the ROTS

 

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GEEEEEEEEEEZZZ, that is terrible. :P

Well, thank god I cut that scene from my edit, I guess. :D

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vaderios said:

I continue this conv away from ESB:R thread

Adywan said:

a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Thats True. Plus how everything look fake and in some cases bad composited in AOTC compare with the ROTS

 

-Angel

 

hey vaderious any chance of replacing the background of that scene in AOTC with the one in ROTS

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Darth Piccolo said:

hey vaderious any chance of replacing the background of that scene in AOTC with the one in ROTS

Its Vaderios and call me Angel :P

 

Yeah sure why not. Is anyone who need it for his edit?

 

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JasonN said:
Sluggo said:

As far as the lightsabers go, I think I like the idea of the purple saber being set aside for the Jedi who is falling or who is not conforming to the dictates of the council.  Using color to determine rank is to 'Imperial' for me, if you take my meaning.  I want the lightsaber colors to have an 'emotional' or symbolic meaning rather than a military one.

But my point is, what is the symbolism of Mace Windu's lightsaber color?
Lucas gave us absolutely no reason why Mace should be the only one to have a purple lightsaber in the PT (maybe he did it for s**ts and giggles...), so why not put the color of his lightsaber to an effective use?

I'm not saying that there should to be rigid "Ranking System" for the Jedi - not at all. But Yoda and Mace do seem to be at the top of the order, so why not present a visual indication of that higher mastery? (and purple/violet is often regarded to be one of the highest "color ranks" in symbolism, according to some of the esoteric/mystery religions that I've researched and studied)

 

 Not knocking any of your research or ideas about lightsaber colours or colour symbolism but im not a big fan of people changing lightsaber colours, such ideas like make every lightsaber blue except masters/knights takes away every bit of personality away from these Jedi. What next start doing the KOTOR way of doing things and have a colour designation to a certain 'class' of jedi like guardian, diplomat and sentinel?

Making 'classes' and making all jedi uniform regarding lightsaber colour just seems to military, as if its like its standard issue. Dooku being a Sith is a good idea, remember Sidious only uses Dooku to start the war and Dooku is but a 'nesserary loss'. Making him a rogue jedi starts bringing up issues like 'grey' jedi etc.

Lightsaber colour is an important decision in Jedi lightsaber construction. Obi Wan chose blue and Qui Gon chose Green. There own personal choice. Remember that Jedi are very similar to Samurai in many respects and the soul of the person and the blade are one and the same, a sword in laser form or not in an extention of themselves. Does that mean Darth Vader in gonna have purple because he is a Lord? course not he is gonna be red, why? Because Anakin turned to evil and slaughtered many, the red blood colour is an extention of his new form.

People are now gonna bring up the issue of why has Mace got a purple lightsaber then?

Samuel L. Jackson asked for it, comics told us why. A bit of EU that i actually like, Mace went out and personally looked for it.

Though i personally hate this rainbow of lightsaber colours that LucasArts etc have given us, the only one i do like for its individuality is Mace's. Does that mean things like Jango gonna be recoloured to Boba costume? No coz boba personalised it. To make most people have blue just seems borin too tbh, sorry about the rant lmao, gets to me sometimes ya know?

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Darth Piccolo said:
vaderios said:

I continue this conv away from ESB:R thread

Adywan said:

a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Thats True. Plus how everything look fake and in some cases bad composited in AOTC compare with the ROTS

 

-Angel

 

hey vaderious any chance of replacing the background of that scene in AOTC with the one in ROTS

Part of the problem with that shot (besides Mekon Yoda) is that TPM pink tint again having a little holiday in AOTC. If the carpet got the ROTS treament (as in rolled up though it's obviously meant to be a different level) it might look alright (I just can't stand the Yodamobile, "For my ally is the Force and a powerful ally it is...but can't be bovverd to use it can I, when floaty chair machine I have.").

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I think the world is big enough for different edits with different ideas about lightsabre colour schemes.

Adopting a particular rationale behind what (if anything) the colours mean could become an editor's imprimatur so you instantly know which one you are watching (there's Magnoliafan's orangey Dooku blade, there's Jason's grandmaster purple).

I always saw Mace as a kind of Council Enforcer (making sure the Jedi aren't breaking their own rules) which is why he can't believe Dooku would assassinate Padme because he'd have to have passed extra character tests to be raised to that level. It also explains why he gives Anakin such a hard time all of the time.

Yoda seems more like a Council Chaplain teaching children, offering pastoral care for the spiritual and emotional needs of the Jedi and keeping the basic philosophy of the Jedi alive.

All Jedi Masters are Jedi Masters though (they can all do certain things to a certain level) though it would make some sense if they held specialised positions based on their particular strengths.

Maybe the Empire would never have risen if they had made Anakin the sulky child murdering master.

 

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I like the idea of have ing blue for every one but the masters, that would reinforce Luke's green blade in RotJ

 

But the idea of having Dooku, mace & yoda having purple intrigues me!

 

there is one snip that MUST be done for RotS the dialoge between Mace and anikin -

"ah Sith lord!?,.....

yes, the one we've been looking for!

I have seen less wood in a forest that what is in that one particular clip!

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DuTwan said:

Dooku being a Sith is a good idea, remember Sidious only uses Dooku to start the war and Dooku is but a 'nesserary loss'. Making him a rogue jedi starts bringing up issues like 'grey' jedi etc.

Which means that you will most likely not care for my fanedits of EP2/EP3.

DuTwan said:  

Lightsaber colour is an important decision in Jedi lightsaber construction. Obi Wan chose blue and Qui Gon chose Green. There own personal choice. Remember that Jedi are very similar to Samurai in many respects and the soul of the person and the blade are one and the same, a sword in laser form or not in an extention of themselves. Does that mean Darth Vader in gonna have purple because he is a Lord? course not he is gonna be red, why? Because Anakin turned to evil and slaughtered many, the red blood colour is an extention of his new form.

Ok, now you're trying to explain the symbolism of a lightsaber's color, so why is it so terrible for me or other people to try and do the same?

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People are now gonna bring up the issue of why has Mace got a purple lightsaber then?

Samuel L. Jackson asked for it, comics told us why. A bit of EU that i actually like, Mace went out and personally looked for it.

Though i personally hate this rainbow of lightsaber colours that LucasArts etc have given us, the only one i do like for its individuality is Mace's. Does that mean things like Jango gonna be recoloured to Boba costume? No coz boba personalised it. To make most people have blue just seems borin too tbh, sorry about the rant lmao, gets to me sometimes ya know?

Lucas should never have colored a lightsaber differently than the others just because the actor requested it - there is a visual consistency and continuity that already existed with the lightsabers and adding a new color with no explanation behind it is yet another example of Lucas poor craftmanship that went into the development of these film.

 

Ok, I'm done participating in this "saber color" arguement.
Let's move on to another topic of the PT that could be changed.