The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 27

Master Qui-Gon said:

I thought they said "Aye!"^^

Whatever: The scene needs more "I" "ayes" "eyes" and "heys"

-Angel

Hey guys just thought i would share my idea of super battle droids with u, normal battle droids are coming soon lol.

sketchrob said:

Awesme tho personally ive always been more akin to a gun metal type of color..

 

I agree: it fits with it being a "prototype" to Vader (regardless of whether Grevious becomes a pieced-together Maul or not).

Also, could you make the flesh around his eyes (and for those editors out there, maybe the rest of this body when we see it) pinkish and white, ala Vader without his helmet?

When vader was interrogating leia it says that his red eyes glowing behind the mask. We can use this to Grievous legacy.

-Angel

DuTwan said:

Hey guys just thought i would share my idea of super battle droids with u, normal battle droids are coming soon lol.

Maybe you could give all the droid army red eyes?  Or maybe instead of making these guys blacker, make them "redder" and with the glowing red eyes, ala Max:



anything to make them stand out from the clone troopers - in fact, maybe each company or platoon of robots could have a slightly different color, so when they are being controlled from above, it would be easy to tell each group apart from each other.

Also, has anyone thought of adding a Chris Foss look to anything in the Prequels?

http://www.chrisfoss.net/gallery1.htm
http://www.altanen.dk/Gallery-Main.htm

vaderios said:

When vader was interrogating leia it says that his red eyes glowing behind the mask. We can use this to Grievous legacy.

-Angel

For those who like the Darth Grevious (Maul) idea, what about giving him Maul's eyes in these shots?  Maybe make the close-up match the "gun metal" look as well?

Monroville said:

For those who like the Darth Grevious (Maul) idea, what about giving him Maul's eyes in these shots?  Maybe make the close-up match the "gun metal" look as well?

The gunmetal grey color will lose its grayness from the surounding environment colors.

-Angel

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

For those who like the Darth Grevious (Maul) idea, what about giving him Maul's eyes in these shots?  Maybe make the close-up match the "gun metal" look as well?

 

The gunmetal grey color will lose its grayness from the surounding environment colors.

 

-Angel

I can see that; maybe give him a polished silver look? 

I also understand that there is the strong possibility of making the robots (and Grevious/Maul) to come across as alternate Cylons (which themselves were in essence based on Herbert's DUNE "prequel" so to speak), which... come to think of it... wouldn't necessarily be a BAD thing, since one of the things I found to be the weak link in the Prequels was the LACK of any reference to those things that inspired Lucas to make STAR WARS to begin with.

I would gladly welcome any reference to other previous works (sci-fi or other, 20th century or even earlier literary works) provided that said ideas were used well.

PS: If this look doesn't work for (Darth) Grevious, then maybe the other robots could get the "cylon" treatment?

finished the battle droid now :D

gonna show you my version of grievous and his army

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

(3) Making Grevious into Maul would give Maul "more to do" as well as:
(a) make the fight between Grevious/Maul and Obi Wan a little more personal - being that it would mean Obi having to face the guy who killed his master once again
(b) give further explanation to Grevious' lightsabre stuff (as in: he has the skill to operate a lightsabre much less has multiple sabres because he has always been a Sith Lord hunting Jedi between TPM and AOTC)
(c) would serve as a nice lead-up to what is going to happen to Vader (ie the Sith never throw anything away, or unlike the Jedi who believe in an afterlife/reincarnation, the Sith are athiests who believe in the here-and-now and use technology to prolong their physical life as long as possible - all of which would further develop the culture of the Jedi and Sith just by altering Grevious' appearance and name).

After this Explaining im starting like the idea of maul grievous.

How about Grievous has Red lightsabers?

With some dialogue changing and we have a new cool villain.

 

-Angel

 

I would do as suggested by someone earlier and make ALL Jedi lightsabres BLUE (this would match A NEW HOPE in that both Ben's lightsabre and Luke's/Luke's Father's lightsabre was blue as well) and all of the Sith's to be red.

What you could do is make 3 of them blue (maybe do something with the sabre design, so each is destinct) with one of them to look like the split dual red sabre Maul had at the end of his fight with Obi-Wan in TPM (that could be the last sabre Grevious/Maul pulls out - as in the "give away" to Obi-Wan that it is indeed Maul "reincarnated/rebuilt")

EDIT - I'm not saying have Darth Grevious with Mauls' dual sabre but carrying one half of it, since it was split in two by Obi Wan in their first duel.

Okay folks,

I'm going to create a list ala the ESB:R list I have regarding the Prequel ideas.  I will separate them by movie and scene (just like the ESB:R list) so as to better keep track of ideas and suggestions.

Something else I would like to include is explanations as to the ideas as well (albeit keeping them somewhat breif - a paragraph or so for the big ideas); that way if and when Adywan or anyone else peruses the list, it won't just be a matter of said idea being there, but an explanation so they can get the gist of where the idea is coming from.

For example:
I agree with changing Naboo or Coruscant to Alderaan for multiple reasons:

If you change Naboo to Alderaan:
(1) Naboo is just a stupid name; sounds childish and very MORK AND MINDY -NOT the sci-fi I want STAR WARS to be referencing
(2) would give Leia's homeworld (as glimpsed in A NEW HOPE) some back story as well as some face time.
(3) already establishes Leia's mother as a queen, being that she is PRINCESS Leia (on that note, get rid of the stupid "I was VOTED queen again" bit).  There is nothing saying that Amidala's last name cannot be Organa, and that Bail isn't a brother or relative that the daughter is given to at the end of ROTS.  It could still mess with Vader capturing Leia in ANH, but also remember that Anakin/Vader didn't even know Amidala was pregnant to begin with.
(4) it would mean Tarkin was testing Vader just as much as Leia when targeting the world his former self met his former lover.

If you change Coruscant to Alderaan:
(1) it would give significance to Tarkin destroying Alderaan, as it would suggest Tarkin's own move to replace the Emperor by destroying the former capital of the old republic.
(2) which then goes back to the original script of STAR WARS, whereas Alderaan is indeed the capital of the Empire/Republic.

Even then, there is nothing saying that Naboo/Alderaan (Washington D.C. or more to the point, more like a lot of state capitals which have relatively small cities) could be the capital of the Republic, whereas Coruscant (New York, Singapore or Hong Kong) is the economic hub of the Republic - in fact, that could be another plot point in AOTC or ROTS: that the new Emperor makes Coruscant the new capital to further signify the "cutting off" of Alderaan and the Old Republic, as well as the shift from a more pastoral society and cultural outlook to one of economic and industrial growth, size and menace.

Also remember that the UN building is in New York, not Washington D.C. - which establishes why the Senate would/could be in the economic heart of the Republic as opposed to the capital.

My main point is that the beauty of the Prequels should have been to give us some dread as to showing us things we know are going to end badly, as well as add an extra layer to the original trilogy.  By giving back stories to more than just Luke and Vader it gives the whole universe the same amount of life and motivation.

To have Tarkin destroy the peaceful and defenceless Alderaan showed him to be evil; to have him target the former capital of the Old Republic shows that he has plans bigger than what is seen on screen (it could also imply that Tarkin is tempted by the idea of using the Death Star as his ticket to the throne, which in turn could be where Vader learned how to be devious himself in his plot to overthrow the Emperor with his son by his side - hence the idea for JEDI on the JEDI WISHLIST thread)

Speaking of Tarkin, if there was a way to not just edit in scenes of Peter Cushing from earlier movies (Hammer or otherwise) to fill in the scenes where his character is present, if there was a way to show him in essence rescuing Vader at the Lava planet to explain his loyalty to Tarkin (Tarkin had to have done something that would have built so much loyalty for Vader to essentially serve by HIS side, as opposed to the Emperor's).

ben_danger said:

all good ideas Monroville, though not too keen on coruscant/alderaan change. i would love to see the naboo/alderaan change, and renaming padme organa might not be too difficult as most people who call her 'amidalla' at some point also talk to bail organa, so a simple line swap may work?

Well, I would stick with the Naboo/Alderaan, and make "Alderaan" the capital and Coruscant the "economic hub" ala New York city.

The idea of the Emperor cutting Alderaan off and making the economic center of the new Empire the new capital I think would help to further illustrate the degree of Palpatine's effect on the entire STAR WARS culture, not to mention the visuals would help to further define the change as well (the former capital of the Republic being beautiful like an Italian villa; whereas the Empire's capital is all BLADE RUNNEResque: mechanical, dirty, industrial).

One of many ideas I had regarding the Jedi in the Prequels was to establish that they were more formal and eloquent.  There "dress uniform" should be more colorful or at least color coded to a degree ala belt colors in martial arts, but with entire robes with Jedis.  The true masters would have their unique robes to distinguish not just their mastery with the Force, but their own unique approach and connection to it (ie Wing Chun, Fung Shue, Karate, Aikido, etc - there is no ONE martial arts, but thousands of approaches). 

The whole "brown robes" is a misnomer in that when BEN Kenobi and Yoda were wearing them in ANH and EMPIRE, they are regular clothes worn by those who were in exile simply living the rest of their lives in anonimity.  Thus, the clothing Yoda and all other Jedi wear should be anything BUT drab - even Buddist monks wear bright orange robes.

Also, would it be possible to show groups of Jedi (say far away in the background of the Coruscant city shots) flying in groups or formations?  If they can lift X-wings and other heavy objects (regardless of mass and weight) then they should be able to lift themselves quite effortlessly - at least the more skilled such as the masters.

Also also, the idea of the Jedi temple being a floating city (ala the hawkmen in FLASH GORDON) like this:


http://www.skyscraperlife.com/general-architecture/17548-concept-floating-lilypad-city.html (for more images)



not so much floating on water as in the air: it would also help establish the situation the Jedi are in with the rest of the culture (their heads are "in the clouds", lording it up above society, watching down upon them, who do they think they are?, detached and maybe becoming apathetic after having watched, observed, policed, meddled with, guided and forced the Republic for so long)






- someone mentioned in the EMPIRE AND JEDI WISHLIST: what if the Emperor's tower on the DS 2 looked like the Jedi temple?  Well what if the Jedi temple/floating city looked like this?


In fact, to show the Jedi "temple" to be relatively pastoral like the capital of Alderaan/Naboo, and to have this pastoral city floating above a more dangerously looking, industrialized and ugly looking Coruscant could further visualize the disconnect with the rest of "modern" society and the "old fashioned" and "evangelically religious" Jedi.

Alderaan has no weapons. Naboo has. any ideas of that fact?

-Angel

ben_danger said:

i guess a problem with making alderaan/naboo capital would be two things though,

 

a) queen of naboo/alderaan, would that make her leader of the republic? or does naboo just act as a standing area for the senate

b) when naboo gets invaded by trade federation (or proto seperatists) i would expect a greater responce, unless the republic was too afraid to ask, and the jedi were acting more as infiltrators.

 

Padme Organa....hmm, if only we could change her first name to flow better.

(1) She would be queen of Alderaan, but act as a representative of her world as other queens/kings/leaders would when departing to the (in essence) UN building on Coruscant. 

Maybe some editing could be done to show an extra building in the Naboo/Alderaan capital so as to distinguish the palace the Queen lives in and the capital building that laws are made in... or better still, WERE made in. 

It could be that the senate used to be on Alderaan but was moved to Coruscant due to earlier wars that made the Senate vulnerable to attack.  A dilapidated building could be created and placed somewhere in the background in the Naboo/Alderaan city shots, as well as a line or two talking about how things have changed since the Senate moved.  This is supposed to be the dying days of the Republic: to show the once mightly capital to be serene and quiet - lightly populated streets where thousands live where millions used to, electronic ad signs that are off due to shopping areas that have closed down due to most everyone in the capital moving to where the business is, to where it is the capital in name only now...

The Prequels could be just as much a tragedy about what happens to Alderaan (as symbol of the Old Republic) as it is about Padme and Anakin.

(2) this could be further enforced in the Federation's seige of Naboo/Alderaan, and further justify Palpatine's/the Emperor's move to cut Alderaan completely off and form an Empire.  I would get rid of  the "Trade" moniker and set the Federation up as a separate "Republic/Empire" that has been competing with the Republic as we know it - that would give them more power and make the Senate of the Old Republic less likely to interfere, as they are afraid that this alternate Republic could retaliate and destroy what they have left.

As such, I would get rid of the "Seperatist" movement and just replace it with the Federation: ie, Persia versus Greece, Britain versus Nazi Germany, the "Jihad" versus Europe.  The threat needs to be large in order to justify the Emperor's plans and to allow the Emperor to get away with carrying them out.  To make the threat something as big and powerful as a competing Republic would definitely scare the people into creating an empire to fend off or destroy said potential threat.

Again, use history as a guiding point: England, France, Germany and Spain all had empires throughout the past 1000 years, and they competed against each other both politically and militarily.  To justify the Federation attacking and cutting off Alderaan and the Senate on Coruscant to do nothing about it would be like the vandals wiping out Rome as the Eastern Empire (with Constantinople as the capital) watched and did nothing to intervene. 

The Jedi (like the knights Templar) could be considered to be not quite the police, but almost like an entire army or culture of Kane's from KUNG FU the tv show.  They would help out and support the actual police and/or armies of the Republic, but had the power to make their own conscious choice to act in support or not (yet one more reason people may not like the Jedi - maybe more recently they tend to stay out of things and let bad things happen, or the Jedi have a history of being unpredictable in just WHEN they would help and when they would stay out due to their "religious beliefs").

(3) Padme Organa - well, I would say it flows better than Django Fett (or some of the other goofy SW names).  Padme was a more common name (maybe for just those who knew her - friends and family maybe?), so it would be more like Amidala Organa as far as the official name.

Vaderios:
also remember that by the time of A NEW HOPE, it is a good 20 years after ROTS.  If Alderaan had spent what little of its military to fight the Federation seige as well as any other raids upon it after its weakened political state, it wouldn't have had much of a military left.  Even so, as it was posted above, it seemed all they had were a handful of fighters - no match for a Death Star.

Bingowings said:

Looking at those battledroids a couple of obvious configurations spring to mind which might add a bit of variety and interest to them from time to time through out the prequels.

Not sure about the top one but I do like the bottom one, in that it would make the droids more consistent.  I would still make the droids silver with the red eyes though (maybe a lighter, more reflective shade than the one you have here, Bingo)

Bingowings said:

I have a kitchen drawer full of knives which could be used as weapons but that doesn't make Chateau Bingowings a hidden fortress.

You know, it's funny that you mention that (jeez, I had to laugh at that one): I have both CONAN sword replicas (the sharp ones from Marto) and a few helmets!

Don't know if that would make my place a fortress but just imagine the look on that robbers face with me charging down the steps with the 300 helmet on and the CONAN Father's sword.

REGARDING THE ROBOTS:
okay, I can see that, though it may be the thing that works in motion.  I still say get rid of the beady "eyes" on the regular battle droids and replace them with the head you made for the super battle droids (a single red eye going across like Robocop?)  Anything to make them more menacing and less goofy.

I would also consider editing off the "hang dog" ears on the regular battle droids.

REGARDING DARTH GREVIOUS:
regardless of changing him to a rebuilt Maul, could we at least have Obi-Wan kill him by force projecting an object into his guts, as opposed to shooting him with a gun?  Didn't Obi-Wan have a general disdain for guns anyways (ie his conversation with Han in ANH)? 

I would also suggest changing Count Dooku's name to something that didn't correspond to feces (Zhuuku, Zaku, ?)