The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 258

Bingowings said:

I seem to remember someone called Bingowings saying something similar over and over and over again (he really is a boring git).

 Bingowho?

If I answer that my crack will open up and my bickering overdressed relatives will fall out of the sky and wreck Christmas.

SO. What if the Seperatists are a consistent faction throughout the PT... and they have a distinctive spaceship that is finally destroyed in ROTS.

I somewhat like the idea of a base ship the "bad guys" have, that they use to escape every episode - that would be very serial like, back to the roots of star wars ;-)

hm, what type of ship should it be?

Sort of like the Falcon but for the bad guys.

Thanks for bringing this one up ben_danger. I've been mulling this one over for quite a while myself.

I think the big Droid Control ship from Episode 1 is probably the most suitable to be a "bad guys' base" ship, and it's the most realistic part of the whole prequels as it was actually an enormous miniature they built.

Add to that the fact we already have some footage of it being blown up which can be utilised for Episode 3 when they're finally defeated.

If a radical editor wanted to completely redo the concept, or have a completely different stationary base, the Space Station in the game Knights Of The Old Republic would be a good reference, plus possibly provide some good ideas:

As well as the aesthetic of it drawing its power direct from a star (pretty cool) this space station was called the 'Star Forge' and was essentially a giant space factory. It is how the Sith in the game were able to churn out seemingly impossible numbers of ships and droids. This is a concept that could easily be adapted for our Prequels with the Droids army and droid ships.

More radical still, if someone wanted Clones on the opposing side (me me me me!), it could replace Kamino and explain the overwhelming amount of troops the opposition has. The almost decimated Republic must then, just for survival, mount a last ditch assault on this newly discovered threat, and we then have the moral issue of our supposed good guys extinguishing millions of lives in the process, thus making an obvious parallel with Alderaan. We could have all the Jedi back on Coruscant feel the disturbance in the force just like Obi Wan did in ANH. The act would speak for itself. The Republic is becoming evil.

The last thing I would want though is for someone to interpret this act of evil as a Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion message. Destroying a space station full of largely embryonic humans, and then becoming the Evil Empire? LOL. It seems almost too perfect doesn't it? Honestly though, it's just an accident that the idea has those parallels. I don't have an agenda, certainly not that one as I'd be considered 'Pro Choice'.

@bingowings

I meant should it be more of a small Deathstar or an oversized Star Destroyer ?

nay, an evil Falcon would be too nasty ;-)

ah the "forge", yup that would be a great base - hm, I would add/change the concept more to like the classic Battlestar Galactica, where Baltar had 3 base ships, and the could hunt the good guys ... make more damage

the combination of the cloning facility and hidden base is a very nice touch and could solve many flaws the PTs have ;-)

could this mothership also be brought into a radically re-envisioned ROTJ aswell?

i hadn't thought of having a consistent baseship, but more like if the invisible hand was the Executor of the PT, however a Radical edit could easily have Obi-Wan and Anakin running around another sort of vessel in ROTS.

Something like the Invisible Hand would be cool as a recurring command ship as you say. I certainly prefer them to the donut ships which could be increased in scale and become the space factory/cloning facility/base I proposed

The thinking behind the donut ship was "make a bad guy ship but make them different from Star Destroyers". They've certainly achieved that! But in doing so have ended up looking more like immobile space stations than ships -which is perfect for my concept, however their intention was to have them be actual ships - the model has engines on the back and everything.

I've always thought that the Separatists were too incoherent and "weak" villains. 

How about introducing Dooku early on  as the master of Maul (no "Darth", just Maul). And Dooku's personal flagship, from which he leads the nascent Separatist movement, could be the Invisible Hand.

An idea I had sometime ago was about basing Ep. II around a search for Doou and his flagship. In a sense a reverse situation of TESB, only this time it's the rag-tag Republic strike force trying to hunt down the large enemy ship.

The Clone Wars did something similar in the Malevolence arc.

As for blowing up, I believe a CGI shot with an overlaid explosion wouldn't be that hard.

Personally, I like the donut ship design (a lot, in fact) but it served its purpose in Ep. I. It looks like a floating hangar that dispatches troops or hauls cargo not a fast warship.

The Invisible Hand, on the other hand (sorry), looks like a fast and menacing ship that's made to fight and escape, if needed.

One thing that might have helped Anakin's turn feel more transitional and less convoluted, would have been the introduction of surreal visions, with open interpretations foreshadowing future events. This has been suggested alot over the years, and could have been used to good effect throughout both ROTS and AOTC.

If these dreams have a Vaderish character within them, or even just a silhouetted warrior, whom anakin constantly attacks, this could become a symbol of his growing madness and fall to darkness.

One thing that was suggested years ago, was a version of ROTS where Anakin remains the hero, where the audience does not turn against him emotionally. I think this could work, and would in spirit float much closer to the OT. There would be no obvious turn to the 'Dark Side'. This concept would be discussed very little in the PT, and all we would know is that Palpatine would be some secret Maverick force user who uses these powers. He would offer to teach Anakin these skills to overcome his enemies, and we would hopefully just think 'thats cool'.

WHAT IF, by the duel with Obi-Wan, Anakin's psychosis is to the point where he projects the dark figure beyond his dreams, and he battle's Obi Wan, believing him to be the Dark Attacker. Obi Wan would be fighting, knowing Anakin has turned, and perhaps some sort of dialogue mid duel, would reveal this as Anakin realises his mistake, and that he has gone too far. 'I NEED these powers!'

yeah, I suggested something like "Jekyll / Hyde", with the touch of supense and mystery, the story plus the "turn" would feel more natural - Anakins broken psyche and his lust for power should have been the vehicle to introduce the dark side of the force ...

hm, the duel could be us seeing it through Anakins eyes, by this time he is twisted, but not completly evil, Obi-Wan is the dark spectre we think killed the other Jedi, in reality it was Anakin all the time!

My preferred order of events for TPM (starting at Coruscant and heading to Naboo via Tatooine) is well documented on this thread and other but an alternative idea popped into my head this morning while I was airing my smalls.

The Jedi are guardians of peace and justice so it makes sense that besides the thousands occupying the gigantic temple complex in the capital they have a representative number stationed on every member world of the Republic.

It would then follow that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon don't need to arrive at the planet but are sent from the planet to negotiate on behalf of the populace.

it could give Obi-Wan some background maybe, that is really missing - where the 'ell did he come from ?

that was one question I would have liked answered, not to see a baby-Vader making his first steps into a bigger galaxy ...

so should Qui-Gon and Ben be residents from Naboo/Alderaan or just "stationed" there for "peacekeeping" ?

they could start as friends with Bail Organa, to give later mentions credit

It's difficult to add that sort of stuff. The ideal situation would be to take aliens or masked figures (droids etc) and put words in their mouths rather than trying to sample/ imitate / totally replace Ewan and Liam.

Totally re-scripting Jar-Jar (and the Gungans) and Threepio might be a better route.

nay, I was thinking more about changing the scroll texts or slip in just some dialogue ;-)

well, 3PO or another protocol droid could tell the audience vital information, making some point to show up ...

first there needs to be a new script how the prequels should flow, your ideas are a good start!

I have an idea to throw in here, and maybe it's been discussed before, don't know if it has...
I think it would be interesting to see TPM and AotC edited into one movie, making it episode I. Then have episode II be "The Clone Wars" and all be made up entirely of edited-together episodes of the animated '03-'05 microseries and the CG movie/series. Then episode III would be a re-edit of RotS with a better, tragic and less tied-up ending. Just stick to the main story points and there could be 3 decent, painless, 2+ hour-long action packed movies somewhere in there.

Ha! Anakin meeting Padme in AOTC the first time, that could work very well with the elevator scene edited and set behind the "first sight", so Obi-Wan could give Ani a lession on how to handle his feelings ;-)

I think having all the 'pleased to see you' lines loaded on to Obi-Wan could establish a past history between Padme and Anakin's Master.

You'd have to drop the 'little boy from Tatooine' stuff but it might be doable.

Better still, somehow twist it so they are at odds with each other in the beginning. No idea how though.

The body language (and clothing decisions) of the two characters works better if Anakin is trying to do his job and keep his eyes off her ladybumps and she is the one infatuated with him, eventually leading to his surrender to hormones.

At the risk of sounding like a High Court Judge that weird dress Padme wears in the fireside dinner is not a 'from henceforth begone from my sight' sort of dress.

I don't know if the footage can be reshuffled to that effect.

It would need the DVD deleted scenes I think and they aren't available in HD.

>You'd have to drop the 'little boy from Tatooine' stuff but it might be doable.

THAT stuff should be buried deep beneath the sands of Tatooine ...

too bad there isn't an easy way to get older Anakin doing podracing, that would have been cool ;-)

hm, Padme seducing Anakin ? not Ani stalking her ...

well, after reading the news about changing the EU to "Legends", I stumbled upon this video (again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buXz4BYS8kw

made me think over some (plot) points - the "importance" to make Obi-Wan the main character of the prequel trilogy (and maybe Sidious or another Sith/Dark Lord his adversary)

and to make things "radical" ... how about moving the whole Anakin-pupil story right up to the very first minutes of Episode 1 (and closing it there?)

meaning, that we later only follow Obi-Wan on his path to understand the power of the Dark Side, as his fellow Jedi try to stop the waves of evil wash over the crumbling Republic - this could be the last Clone War (as there were some before) and the Mandalorians could play a vital role in this one

we just see Anakin as a support character, that vanishes like others during the struggles against "Sith" invasion - his turning point could be right at the start or later, his motivation needs to be clear (not only to "save his wife")

Edit out Yoda and Palpatine's saber usage, Dooku's lightning usage, and the Jedi army on Geonosis.

Give both Jedi and Sith a variety of saber colors (including red for Jedi and blue and green for Sith).