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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 227

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Y'know, I have to chime in here: As far as I remember, Ben's costume originally was designed to be reminiscent of a samurai's garb, ie, a warrior's. The outer robe is fairly generic (the jedi being rather humble in most regards), suited, I think to disguise...notice Ben is always very well-wrapped in public. In short, Obi-wan's costume was always meant to be his Jedi outfit!

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Supposedly in AE cs5 you have predictive masks, but I feel like I would have heard people going ape on here if it worked like we all hoped. But I have yet to try it for myself as I don't have a 64 bit system. Long story short, I don't believe there is a shortcut for what you're proposing.

 

 

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The Concierge said:

Y'know, I have to chime in here: As far as I remember, Ben's costume originally was designed to be reminiscent of a samurai's garb, ie, a warrior's. The outer robe is fairly generic (the jedi being rather humble in most regards), suited, I think to disguise...notice Ben is always very well-wrapped in public. In short, Obi-wan's costume was always meant to be his Jedi outfit!

I simply don't agree. And frankly, it would be stupid for Obi-Wan who is supposed to be in hiding to wear his very obvious Jedi robe and get sniped by Boba Fett. It's stupid. Of course, then you have to explain why they brought Luke to the very planet Anakin was from, and the very house that Anakin visited where he knows the names of everyone who lives there. It's a lot of stupid.

 

 

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We may agree that it's silly for Obi-Wan to be dressed as a Jedi whilst in hiding, but it's been established - from Return of the Jedi on, if not earlier - that that's just what he was doing.

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Okay, the first way to look at this is real-world costume design practicality: Obi-wan: major character, a jedi, jedi are space samurai, costume done. Extras are more afterthought. Second way in-universe: the jedi (like monks) wear humble peasant costume befitting their non-materialistic world-view. But i really think Obi-wan's look was developed with more the mindset "this is what a space samurai would wear" , a later stipulation being "he's in hiding, nothing too flashy"

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Yeah, actually... the closing shot of ROTJ does a really good job of saying "Jedi wear brown robes".

 

Never mind.

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Seb Shaw's ghost sends ripples of paradox down every avenue of the saga thanks to George.

He doesn't wear that outfit in the PT and yet in the 2004SE his PT self decides to change outfits in the afterlife via a head transplant.

I did type a nice little post about how my pre-PT notions of the pre-Imperial era Jedi were almost certainly swayed by Obi-Wan's Marvel outfit:

and Luke reaching a point where he could confront the similarly garbed Palpatine and Vader but my post was timed out and went down the internet vortex.

I forged a strong impression that not all Jedi were knights (as illustrated by Ben's more militant style of training Luke compared to Yoda's).

Perhaps a better way of illustrating my point is comparing a Christian Monk :

with a Christian Knight.

or a Shinto monk

with a Shinto knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Bingowings said:

It's hard to see the Jedi as humble when this is their HQ :

As I'm still planning out MY versions of the prequels in novel form, my plan has been from  the beginning to have an ancient temple in the Valley of the Jedi, as a reference to my favorite Star Wars game. Luke's training on dagobah was so organic, and I think that should've translated into the prequels. Instead, we see the training relates more to the training of Ivan Drago in Rocky 4, all sterile and sciencey. 

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EyeShotFirst said:

 Instead, we see the training relates more to the training of Ivan Drago in Rocky 4, all sterile and sciencey. 

I cant wait to listen this if you ever make an audio drama of your novel a Force version of Hearts of fire made by john williams :P


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It's an interesting way of looking at it, different classes within the jedi order (other than, of course, padawan, knight, master). I've always liked the idea of the jedi KNIGHTS wearing ARMOUR as shown in the Clones Wars cartoon. Now THAT would be tough, adding armour to knights in battle scenes...

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I quite like having different classes of Knight, not quite sure how you would be able to convey that across within any edits of the PT. I maybe biased on this points as I'm a massive fan of KotOR 1 + 2 which have Consular, Guardian and Sentinel classes.... One distinguishing feature there was lightsaber blade colour was related to class (though not written in stone, my Jedi Sentinel will never have a yellow blade!) I think an early SW game also had classes but I must confess that must of been before my time...

I maybe stoned for this, but generally I quite like the Jedi Robes as they are in the prequels, they are also a little different stylistically from ABi-Wans ANH variation, and Jedi like Ayala Secura (who should of had a bigger part IMO) went much more "modern".

While we're continuing Prequel wish lists. I'd of like Yoda to have killed Grevious... Having seen Grevious kill several Jedi, he confronts Yoda... Does his fancy lightsaber twizzle, and Yoda just squashes him from something from the ceiling.

Also another Gripe, I'd of like to of seen more of Bail Oragana (i.e. Leia saying to Obi-Wan in ANH; you served my father during the Clone Wars). I'd also of liked to have seen a young Tarkin, rising through the ranks of the Republic military ruthlessly. Could of had the Jedi objecting to his methods...

 

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just something i posted over on spence's TPM thread

here's an idea for the ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU2jga_fbnE


thinking back to your ROTJ edit, perhaps it would be an appropriate bittersweet finale. by the time we see anakin cremated in a similar way, its like he lived up to qui-gon's legend.

  • music would need clearing up, but you get the idea
  • yoda talking to mace is really unneccessary i think. plus the whole rule of the two is a bit silly in my opinion
  • i had a go at making a matte for the pan up. that could be worked on a bit better
  • you could lead the scene with the naboo mourning scene from ROTS perhaps
  • also played around with reversing some shots for the motion differences with bits placed on top.

 

was thinking earlier aswell. in KING KONG. the film both starts and ends in New York. but there are big differences in the time of day and decor between the two visits.

could you perhaps consider our first outing in naboo to be at night, then the second to be in the day? or perhaps the other way around?

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TheoOdo said:

We may agree that it's silly for Obi-Wan to be dressed as a Jedi whilst in hiding, but it's been established - from Return of the Jedi on, if not earlier - that that's just what he was doing.

This is compelling evidence. But what about:

Is it because this is truly the outfit of peasants and Jedis have adopted it? It is a little odd that no distinction was made between Jedi clothing and Tatooine clothing.

The blue elephant in the room.

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TheoOdo said:

We may agree that it's silly for Obi-Wan to be dressed as a Jedi whilst in hiding, but it's been established - from Return of the Jedi on, if not earlier - that that's just what he was doing.

It's not completely established.  Two of those guys lived on Tatooine, so we might expect they were just wearing traditional Tatooine clothing, like Owen.  Yoda was essentially a monk wearing sackcloth.

That said, all Jedi wearing brown robes doesn't bother me.  It's obviously intended to match the simple robes of a peasant/farmer like Owen.  Obi-Wan would just blend in as another farmer.

Now I don't think Jedi should wear brown robes all the time.  It seems a very foolish thing to do in the heat of battle.  How about some armor?  How about a military uniform?

Basically, the brown robes should just be their everyday clothing that they wear while meditating, teaching, and meeting.  But when they go on official Republic business, they put on their uniforms. (Perhaps like Luke's black uniform?)  For battle they add armor.

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what if we just do away with the idea that jedi wear uniforms at all? i mean they could just wear regular clothes, (like police detectives) which in star wars means robes most of the time.

in eventual ambitious PT edits, jedi wearing jumpsuits etc could be added in perhaps?

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Well, if we wanted to come up with some kind of explanation for the Jedi in peasant robes thing, we could say that it has to do with their rejection of wealth and power as virtues. A bit like how Yoda surprises us in Empire by being a great warrior, it could be that the Jedi believe that it is the small and seemingly powerless - in this case, peasants - who represent the sacred and honourable. It's the sort of thinking you can find in Christianity, Greek Cynicism, Buddhism, strands of Hinduism and many other faiths.

The trouble with the prequels (as mentioned above) is that these supposedly humble Jedi occupy a massive and decidedly gaudy looking temple. Then again, it's not as if this contradiction doesn't exist in the real world also, what with treasures of the Vatican and the many sumptuous Buddhist temples which exist.

I think Bingowings' idea works. In times of peace, the Jedi dress in simple, modest, peasant clothing, representative of their humility, but if a Jedi enrols in the military or decides independently to enter a conflict, s/he'll wear the appropriate clothing and armour.

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Mrebo said:

TheoOdo said:

We may agree that it's silly for Obi-Wan to be dressed as a Jedi whilst in hiding, but it's been established - from Return of the Jedi on, if not earlier - that that's just what he was doing.

This is compelling evidence. But what about:

Is it because this is truly the outfit of peasants and Jedis have adopted it? It is a little odd that no distinction was made between Jedi clothing and Tatooine clothing.

Thank you. This was my point all along.

 

 

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Something I see a lot of people doing in fan edits is removing the more embarrassing dialouge and replacing it with alien languages with subtitles (particularly Jar Jar and the gungans)....a unique solution that Star Wars is exceptionally well suited too.

The problem I have is that the fan edits I've seen (FAR from all of them) usually go the (comparatively) easy route and just reverse the audio track.  As I'm in the planning stages right now....I'd like to opt for something a bit more difficult and find some actual alien language audio to dub in so it's not quite as obvious.

Maybe there's already an edit that does this, in which case i'd be interested to see what their sources for the audio was.  Ideally you'd get totally new and unique original audio....but while I can manipulate audio, I lack the equipment or experience to get brand new voiceovers.

It seems to me that the ideal source for the audio would be videogames since it would be much easier to rip the audio and not worry about overlapping audio.

For the Gungans....i've been thinking of the Selkath from Knights of the Old Republic.....but I'm not sure if there's enough unique tracks to stretch out an entire movie with......even if you cut jar jar down to a bare minimum (or entirely for that matter).
Thoughts?

 

I am, however, convinced that i've found a perfect base replacement for the Battledroid audio in the Geth from Mass Effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0iMGgHlLw&feature=related 

Should help give them a more mechanical and intimidating feel without making them completely mute.

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Seems like there was an edit that used dialogue from Passion of the Christ for some of the Neimodians. Can't remember for sure.

Good idea on the Mass Effect stuff too. But honestly if I'm going to go to that much trouble to change the language, it might be easier to do redubs.

 

 

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mrbenja0618 said:

Seems like there was an edit that used dialogue from Passion of the Christ for some of the Neimodians. Can't remember for sure.

 

Fascinating....i'd be interested to see that.  Anybody remember which edit it was?  Ideally I think real world languages should be avoided....but maybe they could be edited to a point where they'd be unrecognizable.

Hell.....maybe I could even look at Avatar.

 

Good idea on the Mass Effect stuff too. But honestly if I'm going to go to that much trouble to change the language, it might be easier to do redubs.

 

I completely agree that would be ideal...but that kind of depends on the resources/talent/experience you have access too.

I'm kind of in a position where i'm enough of an audiophile that I can get pulled out of a story because of a poor or inconsistent recording when I hear it(something that drove me crazy on the DVD of ANH) but not enough that I know how or have the means to make my own from scratch.  Soooo....I'll have to try and cobble something together for other sources.

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Idea. *cue lightbulb*

I'm a linguist, and I've constructed artificial languages for stories before. If someone seriously wants to have a crack at this, I'd be happy to help out. It takes a little while to do, but it would give me an excuse to make another one. Of course, you'd have to be prepared to record everything in the new language from scratch.

Just an idea.

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