The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 197

 Well, I liked the idea of Luke being reknown for his surname, along with the DS destruction. Surely, this would leave the emperor standing as a fool, when he says "he's the offspring of anakin skywalker"... but if we left the 1980 dialogue, it could work.

I insist, this "contradiction" (which is never officially stablished) of watching the saga in order and saying "hey, anakin was such an important figure, and 20 years after, other Skywalker appears and no one seems to relate them, or remember Anakin's great deeds during the CW" could be arranged in the prequels by makin Anakin some Mr Nobody (?), though for me it would be better to get it fix in the OT

fishmanlee said:

how old is owen when anakin meets him in Episode II?

cause i was thinking if owen is younger than anakin, then perhaps shmi could have had him, and  that would explain how Luke could (If he [and Uncle Owen] had shmi's looks) look like he was related to Uncle Owen,

and then having Anakin meet Owen in the PT might make sense

There is only 10 years between Episodes 1 and 2.  Owen would have to only be 10  if Shmi was freed and married Cleig (?) Lars right after Anakin left.

Maybe Owen could be a child of Shmi from before she was enslaved?

Mithrandir said:

 Well, I liked the idea of Luke being reknown for his surname, along with the DS destruction. Surely, this would leave the emperor standing as a fool, when he says "he's the offspring of anakin skywalker"... but if we left the 1980 dialogue, it could work.

I insist, this "contradiction" (which is never officially stablished) of watching the saga in order and saying "hey, anakin was such an important figure, and 20 years after, other Skywalker appears and no one seems to relate them, or remember Anakin's great deeds during the CW" could be arranged in the prequels by makin Anakin some Mr Nobody (?), though for me it would be better to get it fix in the OT

Rookies.

It's already there, just not in the final edit.

RED LEADER
Are you… Luke Skywalker? Have
you been checked out on the Incom
T-sixty-five?

BIGGS
Sir, Luke is the best bushpilot in
the outer rim territories.

Red Leader pats Luke on the back as they stop in front of his fighter.

RED LEADER
I met your father once when I was
just a boy. He was a great pilot.
You’ll do all right. If you’ve
got half of your father’s skill,
you’ll do better than all right.

LUKE
Thank you, sir. I’ll try.

I mean Luke knows his own last name is Skywalker. He doesn't hide it.

BUT.....does that mean people think Anakin = Vader. No. I always thought the general populace was probably told a lie by the emperor and the media(like our own) swallowed it as gospel and ran with it.

Something like: Headline: "Tragic death to Clone Wars Hero" etc, etc

I also think the timeline is a bit screwed up. The clone wars should happen sooner in the timeline of the PT and then be finished by ep. 3 to have some space.

By the time of ANH the jedi are almost talked about in mythical ways.

Sluggo said:

Mithrandir said:

 Well, I liked the idea of Luke being reknown for his surname, along with the DS destruction. Surely, this would leave the emperor standing as a fool, when he says "he's the offspring of anakin skywalker"... but if we left the 1980 dialogue, it could work.

I insist, this "contradiction" (which is never officially stablished) of watching the saga in order and saying "hey, anakin was such an important figure, and 20 years after, other Skywalker appears and no one seems to relate them, or remember Anakin's great deeds during the CW" could be arranged in the prequels by makin Anakin some Mr Nobody (?), though for me it would be better to get it fix in the OT

Rookies.

It's already there, just not in the final edit.

RED LEADER
Are you… Luke Skywalker? Have
you been checked out on the Incom
T-sixty-five?

BIGGS
Sir, Luke is the best bushpilot in
the outer rim territories.

Red Leader pats Luke on the back as they stop in front of his fighter.

RED LEADER
I met your father once when I was
just a boy. He was a great pilot.
You’ll do all right. If you’ve
got half of your father’s skill,
you’ll do better than all right.

LUKE
Thank you, sir. I’ll try.

 Rookies? Where does that come from, man?

I knew of that scene but it doesn't really adjusts to what I said. Where's the mention to Anakin the Jedi, not the pilot? Where's the astonishment of what I've talked in my post? Anakin, as it is shown in the Prequels (here's the thing) is rather a legend, someone you would say "Do you REALLY have something to do with Skywalker?"; not that mere alussion. And I always thought of this in ESB, where the Luke's father question is almost filling the air of the film.

By the time of ANH Jedi are seen as almost mythical, Anakin would have been seen by the Rebels as one of many murdered knights and by the general population as a member of a sinister traitorous organisation that were responsible for all the deaths and chaos of the Clone Wars (victors write the history books).

It is odd that (even if Skywalker is a common enough name) sticking him with Owen and not changing his name is a bit of an open invitation, maybe Obi-Wan wanted Vader to turn up so he could watch him burn alive again, he does seem to be a bit of twisted bunny.

Yeap, what's more, if we never had a non suited Vader, we would be assuming almost as cannon the fact that Anakin oficially "died" as a Jedi traitor, and that no one knows who Vader really is.

But then we have Tarkin and the Imperial moffs callin Vader a Jedi (since there were no siths at that time)

He doesn't call him a Jedi but he does say he is all that is left of their religion.

It's arguable that both Sith and Jedi have the same faith but a different take on it.

Mithrandir said:

Sluggo said:

Mithrandir said:

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 Rookies? Where does that come from, man?

I knew of that scene but it doesn't really adjusts to what I said. Where's the mention to Anakin the Jedi, not the pilot? Where's the astonishment of what I've talked in my post? Anakin, as it is shown in the Prequels (here's the thing) is rather a legend, someone you would say "Do you REALLY have something to do with Skywalker?"; not that mere alussion. And I always thought of this in ESB, where the Luke's father question is almost filling the air of the film.

I'm just playin' with ya, man.

Is Anakin really a legend in the prequels?  Or just a rising star among the small ranks of the Jedi and some people in the galactic senate?  It is the EU that makes Anakin a much larger figure than what was actually portrayed in the film.

As far as the air in Empire, it is really only there if you choose to look at it that way.  Vader and the Emperor do talk about the Son of Skywalker, but that is just a hint that will be made good later in the film.  If you are looking at it with the family already in mind (or having previously watched the third episode) your view has already been determined.

Greetings,

I thought a first post in this thread was only appropriate as I was introduced to this site through the Fanedit Forums after creating an edit of one of the Prequels.

And I bring a gift...the removal of two droids from the elevator scene in Episode 3 (this is just a fun little edit):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m-oXTz9cI

Take care!

AEmovieguy said:

Greetings,

 

I thought a first post in this thread was only appropriate as I was introduced to this site through the Fanedit Forums after creating an edit of one of the Prequels.

 

And I bring a gift...the removal of two droids from the elevator scene in Episode 3 (this is just a fun little edit):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m-oXTz9cI

 

Take care!

 

 

 That's much better! My only suggestion is to cut some more of Obi-Wan's lines, specifically such lines as "Always on the move" (it's a strange line, you should just show him sighing as Anakin gets out of the elevator) and "Oh, it's you" (its obvious that he recognizes him when he shuts off his lightsaber, he doesn't need to say it).

^You forgot barefoot in the snow.

The Golden Idol said:

AEmovieguy said:

Greetings,

 

I thought a first post in this thread was only appropriate as I was introduced to this site through the Fanedit Forums after creating an edit of one of the Prequels.

 

And I bring a gift...the removal of two droids from the elevator scene in Episode 3 (this is just a fun little edit):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m-oXTz9cI

 

Take care!

 

 

 That's much better! My only suggestion is to cut some more of Obi-Wan's lines, specifically such lines as "Always on the move" (it's a strange line, you should just show him sighing as Anakin gets out of the elevator) and "Oh, it's you" (its obvious that he recognizes him when he shuts off his lightsaber, he doesn't need to say it).

 Just as you had requested it, Master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUB9IRl_LQ8

Quite like how the sigh transition works. : P

AEmovieguy said:

Greetings,

I thought a first post in this thread was only appropriate as I was introduced to this site through the Fanedit Forums after creating an edit of one of the Prequels.

And I bring a gift...the removal of two droids from the elevator scene in Episode 3 (this is just a fun little edit):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m-oXTz9cI

Take care!

Hey! Where do you think you're going?! XD

Listen! That clip - WAS AWESOME! But I have one question - is it somehow possible to remove Obi igniting his lightsaber and saying "Oh... it's you!"  ? I have a little problem with that line because it doesn't make any sense that Obi wouldn't be able to sense Anakin. In Ep 4 he sensed and found Anakin on Deathstar (an enormous space-ship), so he should be able to sense him when he's only 2 feet away.

But other than that - great job, man! A really tight and fun scene!

EDIT:

AEmovieguy said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUB9IRl_LQ8

Quite like how the sigh transition works. : P

Yeah! This is what I'm talking about, but now could you, PLEASE, remove the whole lightsaber igniting thing (if it's possible)? That would be beyond awesome!

That flows so much better.

It feels much more like Star Wars.

haraldo23 said:

AEmovieguy said:

Greetings,

I thought a first post in this thread was only appropriate as I was introduced to this site through the Fanedit Forums after creating an edit of one of the Prequels.

And I bring a gift...the removal of two droids from the elevator scene in Episode 3 (this is just a fun little edit):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m-oXTz9cI

Take care!

Hey! Where do you think you're going?! XD

Listen! That clip - WAS AWESOME! But I have one question - is it somehow possible to remove Obi igniting his lightsaber and saying "Oh... it's you!"  ? I have a little problem with that line because it doesn't make any sense that Obi wouldn't be able to sense Anakin. In Ep 4 he sensed and found Anakin on Deathstar (an enormous space-ship), so he should be able to sense him when he's only 2 feet away.

But other than that - great job, man! A really tight and fun scene!

EDIT:

AEmovieguy said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUB9IRl_LQ8

Quite like how the sigh transition works. : P

Yeah! This is what I'm talking about, but now could you, PLEASE, remove the whole lightsaber igniting thing (if it's possible)? That would be beyond awesome!

 It's a little bit of a cheat, but here's an attempt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKE2X0Ytcuo

Thanks for the feedback!

 Bingowings said:

 

That flows so much better.

It feels much more like Star Wars.

Glad you enjoyed it. : )

AEmovieguy said:

 It's a little bit of a cheat, but here's an attempt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKE2X0Ytcuo

Thanks for the feedback!

Duuuuude! That's so fast and intense and hilarious XD ... It's great, man! I rewatched the original scene again and, man, this is, like, 532 times better than the original! I love it! Seriously! This is awesome! XD

doubleofive said:

You missed a droid hand as the elevator starts going down. Other that that its really good!

 Thank you. I also just noticed the sound of the battle droid parts when the elevator launches back up... *sigh*  : P

Copied over from The Phantom Hour thread :

nightstalkerpoet said:

This is a concept that I have been working at for quite a while, trying to get someone else to pick up my idea and complete it with much better editing skills than I have. I have however completed a workprint and REALLY would like people's opinions.

The biggest point of this edit is to completely remove all Gungans except Jar-Jar in a way that does not detract from the film at all! The underwater sequence is totally unnecessary, and the end battle still keeps three separate simultaneous action filled plot lines without the battle.

Also unneeded are most of the senate/palpatine scenes. Were I to redo the workprint, I would reinsert Amidala speaking to the Senate, starting with "Honorable representatives..." and ending with "now they will elect a new chancellor...". I like Palpatine being more mysterious... too much is given away too soon in the original.

Tons of small cuts run throughout the edit, and though it is a rough cut, it is still my definitive cut of Phantom Menace.

PLEASE PM me if you are interested in viewing my workprint. At 58 minutes long, you can hardly go wrong here. Thanks!

If you're interested in taking this project over, let me know. I do have an amazing faneditor willing to do it, however he is quite busy on other projects and wants to see a finished project as much as I do :)

 

 

coinilius said:

I really like this idea - I was actually thinking something similar the other day, based on an idea from the Prequel Radical Redux Ideas thread about showing an invasion of another planet at the start of TPM - that maybe some footage of the Gungan battle could be used to create the idea of a previous planet falling to the Trade Federation before Naboo.  The Gungans could be from a different planet, with Jar Jar having escaped to Naboo or something.

This is in my opinion could be key to giving the linear TPM edit the kick it needs without resorting to inventing an entire new culture to be attacked.

Master Dooku is sent to investigate the invasion of the Gungan homeworld by a droid army (instigated possibly by another future Separatist member state other than the Trade Feds) which ends in defeat and surrender.

This could be the new beginning of the film and serve as the Alderaan style warning of what is at stake.

Amidala is on Coruscant when she hears of a similar attack planned on Naboo which she can not prove she pushes for a vote for a new Chancellor (with some prompting from Palpatine and a re-dubbed delegate Binks).

She sets off to prevent the same thing happening to her planet.

Qui-Gon senses the Sith have returned as does Dooku via a hololink but the Council refuse to believe it (Chosen One prophecy optional).

They agree to allow Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan (a fully fledged Jedi not a Padwan) escort the Queen home.

The ship is attacked on route and forced to land on Tatooine.

They make the repairs and pick up Anakin.

The Queen breaks into the recently captured palace and frees the pilots while Obi-Wan and Qui Gon try to shut down all the droids from the Command Ship.

Anakin joins the pilots in battle and destroys one of many Fed ships through skill (not by accident).

After fighting battledroids Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are attacked by a Sith Lord on the ship and Qui-Gon dies.

Obi-Wan (who already has a pupil) is reluctantly allowed to train Anakin instead.

A despondent and disappointed Dooku watches Qui-Gon's funeral from a distance.

Does the sound like an improved arrangement?

Could it be done?

What would be the key obstacles?

Any thoughts on how it could be improved?

I'm really busy at the moment working on a project of my own but if anyone want to run along these lines than please do.

Thanks to nightstalkerpoet and coinilius  for jump starting my imagination in this direction and I look forward to seeing what nightstalkerpoet does with his edit.

That would make TPM approx 50min long... and I LIKE IT!

Yeah that would be better....a TV episode

J

It would allow some breathing room for a special effects boffin to stage more visually interesting space battles and the like, something we'd much rather see than giant fish battling it out with very little if any plot significance (though maybe someone could figure out a way of even reworking even that sequence so it made sense, maybe it could be Dooku in the sub trying to get Binks off world).

It might mean having to make the Gungan world look significantly different from the Naboo world (maybe marshy pond covered landscape covered in mists and giant reeds).

If the Geonosians were attacking the Gungans it would also bring back early design concepts (the Feds original look was reworked to be the Geonosians so that would bring that back into the film).

Even so with it would still be a shorter...snappier film.