The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 185

Also can't forget this classic ship, which was designed to mirror the Falcon in the Kotor games:

I remember back when the trailer for ROTS first debuted, the 'Anakin with Sith eyes' shot was speculated as part of a dream sequence...is there any way this theorizing could be made into a decent concept of any worth? Building on Anakin's growing distrust of the Jedi, perhaps he could be shown to have dreams of a violent, faceless Jedi wreaking havoc, with no inkling that it turns out to be visions of his own future deeds...(for this to work, I suppose his face would have to be hidden in shadows, or avoided/distorted in some way) It could be something akin to Luke's dark side cave visions in ESB.....Or, it's a lame idea!     

I suggested something similar a few pages back but instead of being future events they are Anakin suffering from a dissociative fugue (he is being Darth Vader before he actually knows he is).

That is interesting, but it seems to me a bit too real, a little too demythologizing....I dunno, all this Light Side/Dark Side seems to me to already be veiled psychology conveyed in a mythological language. It is admittedly a vague threshold often crossed though.

If the split was caused by slaughtering the sand people but suppressing the memory it would still have all the hallmarks of a fall to the darkside but with the added twist of Anakin (the good man) existing for a while along side the Dark Lord.

He could come back with his mother's body (we are none the wiser) and then have dreams about it afterwards.

When Palpatine reminds him of it he just says "What?" (he can't remember confessing to him) he could even lead the raid on the Temple before killing Mace and only then remember all the hideous things he has done and that binds the two alter-egos together until learning about Luke starts to pull them apart again.

It's the only way I could feel sorry for the character, it's impossible to feel any sympathy for an actively evil person but an insane person who doesn't remember killing children I could feel some sympathy for (I wouldn't want him wandering around in public but I'd feel sorry for the guy as soon as he was locked up).

I must confess I'm enjoying thinking of Anakin's Dark Side turn as a sort of "Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde" concept...but I'm not sure Anakin should be completely unaware of 'Vader's' doings...in other words, it should be a somewhat conscious act.

I don't know how much sympathy we really ought to have for Anakin, especially during the latter stages. Specifically regarding the chilidren, we ought to expect someone being consumed by the Dark Side will commit unpleasant deeds...can we really say, "evil, but no, that's too evil!"? It may seem abrupt, but aren't there many stories of people committing multiple slayings being previously quite normal then "just snapping" ? 

Even then, there is a progression...(lemme break in here to say I'm not suggesting it was particularly deftly handled) Anakin's (Vader's?) Tusken massacre was a definite event of Dark Side possession....His confession of "women and children" *should* probably go. George seems to have tried to lessen the apparent severity of this by emphasizing the sand peoples' bestial nature...Cliegg's leg should say it all. Anakin, I think, should at this point be putting up a defense in his mind for having done this thing, till eventually believing the fiction. His ego will be horrified at it, but a thrill at the taste of reckless emotional satisfaction would be underpinned.

Anakin's story ought to be a cautionary tale. We *should* be disturbed at his unnatural teetering between the extremities of his psyche. Those who don't (or aren't allowed to) confront their personal dark side risk being swallowed by it. The Jedi's sole adherence to the Light Side of the Force is just as unnatural as the Sith's to the Dark. The Jedi not allowing Anakin to naturally face his inner demons and darker emotions contributed just as much as Palpatine to his fall. I believe Anakin's first step to bringing balance to the Force was the destruction of the Jedi, and the second the destruction of the Sith, with his son taking a position sublimating the two extremes to an equilibrium. (shit. I think I'm getting too blatantly Jungian here. I'll shut the hell up about it.) 

Now, to actually contribute ideas, I think it's just as important to see Sidious' reaction to Anakin's massacre as the Jedi...obviously, he'd be much more pleased (maybe even directing events to an extent...? It could recall Hera's afflicting Herakles with madness resulting in the slaughter of his children...). Additionally, Qui-gon (who seemed to have a more balanced, heretical understanding of the Force) perhaps ought to attempt to contact Anakin directly, maybe towards the end of his fall into darkness, trying desperately to call him back. Or, going with my theory of bringing balance to the Force (a concept I realize many dislike...), would Qui-gon have left things to go to their ultimate progression?

...I sincerely apologize for the preceding incoherent ramble.  

As usual, very well done SSWR! :)

If the confession has to stay, other than having Anakin confess to holographic Palpatine, would it be possible to have him confess to Owen?

It could set up the clear distrust that Owen has for Ben in ANH and while Owen may be more sympathetic about Tusken child murder (especially under the circumstances) it would show him how screwed up some of these Jedi in training can be.

It would also give Owen something to actually do rather than just be a place holder for ANH.

Is there enough footage?

Owen! That's a veeeery interesting idea...It offers Padme a chance not to live in denial with the delusion that Anakin is simply, "a good person"...and yes, it'd give his brother-in-law a purpose! Furthermore, I suppose some of Padme's comfortings could be repurposed for another scene...But yeah, where to get the footage...dang.   

SSWR just watched the video. Fantastic work really gave it the OT feel

Also posted in my own thread. I figure more people will see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFqCjOuncI

Not a final version yet as I'm still not happy with it when the droid speaks for the second time. I have quite a few different sound files to play with though so I'll have a more thorough stab at it soon.

The subtitles I intend to add will explain that Anakin did come back to free Shmi, but left to become a Jedi. I'm seeing the droid as a disgruntled servant much like Kreacher in Harry Potter, so he won't be very friendly.

Having such a rude protocol droid may explain why Owen has "no need for a protocol droid" in ANH ;)

brash_stryker said:

Also posted in my own thread. I figure more people will see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFqCjOuncI

Not a final version yet as I'm still not happy with it when the droid speaks for the second time. I have quite a few different sound files to play with though so I'll have a more thorough stab at it soon.

The subtitles I intend to add will explain that Anakin did come back to free Shmi, but left to become a Jedi. I'm seeing the droid as a disgruntled servant much like Kreacher in Harry Potter, so he won't be very friendly.

Having such a rude protocol droid may explain why Owen has "no need for a protocol droid" in ANH ;)

Completely agree.  I like the idea of more primitive versions of R2 and 3PO in the prequels -- those versions should not exist yet.  PLUS, I hate too many connections between the prequels and the OT.  Let's make the universe bigger, not smaller please.  Comic relief needed by NEW characters (Jar Jar or some other character completely recast and rewritten).

vaderios said:

I mean stylisticaly speaking that could offer a confusion that these movies are like star wars or cheap rip offs that trying to catch the feel of star wars aswell.

See what happens to the EU and more specific to the games. They still have some starwars-y characteristics(lightsabers and white troopers) but they feel so wrong and cheap.

Isn't that what the prequels are like already? They don't feel like Star Wars to me despite the Star Warsy setting and weapons etc.

vaderios said:

gpili said:

I hate too many connections between the prequels and the OT.  Let's make the universe bigger, not smaller please.  Comic relief needed by NEW characters (Jar Jar or some other character completely recast and rewritten).

Makes some sense but what if the PT is completely not connected with the OT?

I mean stylisticaly speaking that could offer a confusion that these movies are like star wars or cheap rip offs that trying to catch the feel of star wars aswell.

Like blending different styles to one with no connection to the previous ones is like reintroduce something brand new

.See what nolan did with batman. IMO always ;)

 

-Angel/Berry

The prequels don't feel like Star Wars at all -- what we're suggesting are the things that made the OT so great, and also feel like Star Wars -- a sense of vastness, strange but familiar cultures and creatures, and a kind of magic.  Rehashing old characters and throwing in lots of slapstick do none of that, and reveal a turgid lack of imagination.  There are plenty of connections already to the OT with Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin.  We don't need to have cameos from every single character in the OT to provide connection.

Gil

cutnshut said:

Has anyone thought of making an alternate prequel trilogy out of the Clone Wars Cartoons ? (edit some episodes together, mix scenes up... remove the less good stuff) They remind me of the OT more than the prequel movies do! (plus the stories, dialogue and battles are better!) and im not bothered about not seeing Anakin become darth vader... would just be some cool animated action movies.

Edit: Its not that necessary to show Anakin's journey to the darkside - most of us here saw episodes 4 - 6 first anyway and we got by just fine without knowing the details of how Anakin became Darth Vader.

As a decent story about Anakin's fall doesnt exist - why not just try and get by without it?

Just my point of view! :P

 

 

 

You are very right about that show.... Kinda hated the movie, but the show got better. I love the Anakin in the show. I can completely believe that this guy can become Vader.

And no, we haven't seen signs of a descent, but maybe we will. The show isn't over yet.

Yeah well aside from the whole Snips thing

OzoneSherrif said:

Yeah well aside from the whole Snips thing

Snips (Ahsoka) drove me crazy at first.... She's less annoying to me now for some reason, but I still don't know why they gave him an apprentice.

mrbenja0618 said:

Snips (Ahsoka) drove me crazy at first.... She's less annoying to me now for some reason, but I still don't know why they gave him an apprentice.

It's called "marketability".

i.e., getting young girls interested in the SW franchise by introducing a character into the story in which they can identify with and project themselves as in a form of wish fufillment....

.... thereby fulfilling Lucasfilms' hope of giving millions of young male nerds the opportunity of finding a future soul-mate, who would then give birth to more nerd babies, and creating more nerd consumers to spend more money to buy more SW media, all in the glorious name of transforming George Lucas into a true living God Emperor.

.... or so I've heard.  -_^

JasonN said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Snips (Ahsoka) drove me crazy at first.... She's less annoying to me now for some reason, but I still don't know why they gave him an apprentice.

It's called "marketability".

i.e., getting young girls interested in the SW franchise by introducing a character into the story in which they can identify with and project themselves as in a form of wish fufillment....

.... thereby fulfilling Lucasfilms' hope of giving millions of young male nerds the opportunity of finding a future soul-mate, who would then give birth to more nerd babies, and creating more nerd consumers to spend more money to buy more SW media, all in the glorious name of transforming George Lucas into a true living God Emperor.

.... or so I've heard.  -_^

Is that what that is??? Hmmm.... Is that why Lucas made Anakin a girl?

Here's my attempt at eliminating the imperial march from my Episode 2 edit. We're not meant to know they're the bad guys yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmf0SoD01U

Still don't know what to do about Threepio in the marriage scene though, as he doesn't appear in my edit.