The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 134

TheBoost said:

shanerjedi said:

Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:

Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.

Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.

Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.

Obi-Wan: What happened?

Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan: really?

Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?

 

 Man, that seen would have added layers of depth, meaning, and interest to the film. No wonder Lucas cut it.

lol

shanerjedi said:

Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:

Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.

Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.

Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.

Obi-Wan: What happened?

Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan: really?

Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?

 

I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.

God, I would sooooo kill to have that footage to add to my Twilight edit...

JasonN said:

shanerjedi said:

Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:

Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.

Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.

Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.

Obi-Wan: What happened?

Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan: really?

Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?

 

I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.

Yes, we need more of Ewan McGregor's stiffly delivered exposition and more of the slightly excited stuff from the old bird who used to be in Neighbours.

I jest, but as much as this would support any efforts to "develop" Dooku's character, I can't help hearing more of that clunky exposition and stilted acting.

God, I would sooooo kill to have that footage to add to my Twilight edit...

What the hell has this scene got to do with vampires?

Darth Venal said:

JasonN said:

shanerjedi said:

Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:

Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.

Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.

Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.

Obi-Wan: What happened?

Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan: really?

Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?

 

I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.

Yes, we need more of Ewan McGregor's stiffly delivered exposition and more of the slightly excited stuff from the old bird who used to be in Neighbours.

I jest, but as much as this would support any efforts to "develop" Dooku's character, I can't help hearing more of that clunky exposition and stilted acting.

God, I would sooooo kill to have that footage to add to my Twilight edit...

What the hell has this scene got to do with vampires?

ROTFLMAO!

Venal it's a fan edit called Twilight of the Old Republic. Hahaha! That was funny.

Hey, he used to be "THE COUNT" in the old Hammer films so this would be a tie in!!!!! It's would be a tie in to vampire movies!!! His appearance in Twilight would be for vampire continuity for all vampire movies!!!! Put him in the Twilight movie!

Okay, I'm full of shit. :P

shanerjedi said:

ROTFLMAO!

Venal it's a fan edit called Twilight of the Old Republic. Hahaha! That was funny.

Actually, my edit of Episode 2 is called Twilight of the Republic - the title of one of my older SW edits (which combined Episodes 1-3 into a single film) was Shadows of the Old Republic.

JasonN said:

shanerjedi said:

ROTFLMAO!

Venal it's a fan edit called Twilight of the Old Republic. Hahaha! That was funny.

Actually, my edit of Episode 2 is called Twilight of the Republic - the title of one of my older SW edits (which combined Episodes 1-3 into a single film) was Shadows of the Old Republic.

Yeah I know. But I threw old in there because I knew youd get your panties in a bunch over it. :p

shanerjedi said:

Darth Venal said:

JasonN said:

shanerjedi said:

Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:

Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.

Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.

Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.

Obi-Wan: What happened?

Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan: really?

Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?

 

I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.

Yes, we need more of Ewan McGregor's stiffly delivered exposition and more of the slightly excited stuff from the old bird who used to be in Neighbours.

I jest, but as much as this would support any efforts to "develop" Dooku's character, I can't help hearing more of that clunky exposition and stilted acting.

God, I would sooooo kill to have that footage to add to my Twilight edit...

What the hell has this scene got to do with vampires?

ROTFLMAO!

Venal it's a fan edit called Twilight of the Old Republic. Hahaha! That was funny.

Hey, he used to be "THE COUNT" in the old Hammer films so this would be a tie in!!!!! It's would be a tie in to vampire movies!!! His appearance in Twilight would be for vampire continuity for all vampire movies!!!! Put him in the Twilight movie!

 

Okay, I'm full of shit. :P

 Thank god somebody made the connection! I was losing hope. Shanerjedi, I knew I could count on you.

Yes. Fangs a lot!

brash_stryker said:

Yes. Fangs a lot!

Aw that's terrible!

I think we need to raise the stakes.

Darth Venal said:

brash_stryker said:

Yes. Fangs a lot!

Aw that's terrible!

I think we need to raise the stakes.

Ouch. No need to go for the jugular like that.

Hey everyone. While we're on the topic of Episode II, I thought I'd bring up the subject of possible expansion/alteration of the script through editing and redubbing...Now, I'm no writer (art student, here!), but I gave a shot at 'punching up' the dialogue between Dooku and Obi-wan during their first Geonosis encounter. This may be practically quite impossible to actually apply to a project, but in the interest of stoking the flames of conversation, I'll post it anyway.

This begins at the tail end of the scene.

D-"The Republic has failed. The Jedi have failed. You must join me, Obi-wan, and together we will destroy the Sith!"

O-W- (pause) "What is your bidding?"

Dooku approaches hesitantly, with skeptical hope

O-W- "Shall I kneel at your feet, Master?"

Dooku's hope visually dissipates

O-W- (with increasing sarcasm) "I would, but... (looking up) ...at the moment I am quite unable to do so."

Dooku now has a look of outright malice

D- "You're a fool."

O-W- "No, Master. You may once have been a great Jedi Knight, worthy of following, but no longer. I am your failure, just as you've failed my Master before me. Your own vision has been clouded by the Dark Side. I will never join you, Dooku."

Obi-wan has scored a hit, and they both know it. Dooku turns to leave.

D- "It may be difficult to secure your release".

This is probably just compounding sloppy writing with even more of it, but someone with some talent might be able to come up with something worthwhile (and possible to execute!). Really, I just felt this scene has a lot of potential, yet another opportunity wasted...Please forgive this little bit of self-indulgence!

So basically your saying :

Dooku : Join me and together we will destroy the Sith!

Obi-Wan : Ok

Dooku : What?

Obi-Wan : You made a perfectly valid proposition, the Republic is corrupt and the Sith are behind it. I'll help you and your greedy bunch of Corporate movers and shakers to take over the Government with their droid armies and everything will be just the way we want it.

Dooku : You mock me.

Obi-Wan : Too right! You'd be mocking yourself if you had your head screwed on. If your evidence is worth throwing in with that lot and starting a war why not bring it to the Council?

Dooku : The Council? What are they going to do without support from the Senate?

Obi-Wan : I don't know, neither do you have you even tried? Or is being leader of your own Council too quick and easy for you to resist Count?

Dooku : It may be difficult to secure your release.

Yes, pretty much! I like that take on it. I enjoy Obi-Wan being a sarcastic prick while sparring...Just as Dooku does later.

Interesting that you mention the Council in that specificity. The original script for this scene actually included extra lines pertaining to that: 

Dooku: "The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious. But he was betrayed ten years ago by the Dark Lord. He came to me for help. He told me everything. The Jedi Council would not believe him. I tried many times to warn them but they wouldn't listen to me. Once they sensed the Dark Lord's presence, it would be too late. You must join me, Obi-Wan, and together we will destroy the Sith.

Obi-Wan puts down Solo's taunts with a degree of well meaning curtness in ANH and Solo is just claiming to be more cynical than he probably is in real life, Dooku is about to plunge the whole Galaxy into war.

The first two PT films don't have any of that. It could be argued that he learns to speak in that way over time but in my experience people don't change the way they address people that much.

The problem with much of PT dialogue is that it sounds like a teenager's idea of what courtly mannered speech is like.

In the OT the dialogue feels more natural and less stilted.

Hi everyone. This is my first post here. Yay for being the n00b! XD

Anyway, in all honesty, I think we should be careful that we don't try to get TOO radical. But the main thing for a prequel edit that I want to point out is... *drumroll* ... Deleted Scenes. There are certain deleted scenes in each of the 3 movies that shouldn't have been cut. >.< And I think that is one major (yet simple) step to making a nice edit of the prequels. The scenes that I think should be re-inserted:

Episode 1

- The Extended Starting Grid Sequence (podrace)

- The Extended Podrace (lap 2)

Episode 2

- Padme Adresses the Senate

- Extended Arrival on Naboo

- Padme's House

- Padme's Room

Episode 3

- The Seperatists Form

- The Seperatists Meet Again

- The Seperatists Adress the Chancellor

- Yoda Lands on Dagobah

These scenes, I feel, are very important to the movies. So IMO, it should be one of the first things to do. It'll be an easy edit cause we'd just be adding the scenes in as chapters... I think. Someone correct me if it's more complicated than that. lol

ADM's extended cut as well as many fan edits already have those scenes (either all or some) put back, this thread is really for trying to push the more radical changes, naturally they have to work but sometimes you can only tell that by doing it.

Welcome to the thread Jair, hopefully we will hear more from you.

Thanks! :D

And yes, I know what you mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against radical changes. For instance, I'd be all for an Episode II and III Anakin Voice-over and a Padme Voice-over.

But then, I've read people talk about completely removing Jar-Jar and ALL the gungans and... well... I just don't see how that could possibly be done. lol

- Yoda Lands on Dagobah

That would be nice, but it wasn't yet released by Lucasfilm.  Also, it isn't done yet.  The CG isn't completed.

- The Extended Starting Grid Sequence (podrace)

- The Extended Podrace (lap 2)

That, IMO, is just adding unneeded time to the film.  The podrace doesn't need to be any longer.

- Padme's House

- Padme's Room

Those are definate, or at least it build the horrible love relationship between Padme and Anakin.

I would also add the Jedi Raid on the Droid Control Ship to AOTC.  That isn't done yet eithier.  It sounds like it would be very expensive to complete the scene.  So only GL can add it if he wants

I think I know what you mean about the Pod-Race sequence, but that little hint of agression that Anakin shows in the 2nd lap is pretty important to his character, I think. Plus, I saw a complete edit and splice together of those scenes by someone on Youtube and... it just flowed more. It seemed more realistic, I thought, with the added scenes. Maybe it's just me. (Also, keep in mind, it'll probably be edited in some areas so it won't be too long either. Like, I would imagine that some of the announcer's lines would be cut and that annoying "Oooohh Peeyoussah!" scene with Jar-Jar would most likely be cut as well).

Could it be possible to change all the annoying gungans to wookies?  Then make Jar-Jar into Chewbacca.  It sounds like a stretch, but who knows?  Some people want the gungans right out of the film.  I would personally give them a normal voice and take out all the stupid Jar-Jar scenes.

It's an interesting idea, but that would be hard to accomplish even if we all had an entire film studio to use. lol

Yeah, it would be very difficult to do.  About the Pod race, your right.  It would be edited down.  The aggresion would be very good foreshadowing and would really give that little guy some character.   

The anouncer really needs to go.  It feels like a little kiddie film.  At least give the announcer a re-dub and a better CG character.