The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 115

Someone there just suggested making Qui-Gon into Obi-Wan, I think that'd have to be shot down straight away. It would be impossible to restructure, since QUi-Gon dies at the end of TPM, and doesn't appear in either of the other two prequels. Plus you'd have this guy who looks a lot like Alec Guiness, and acts a fair bit like Alec Guiness, who is about the right age throughout the PT, but who is not Obi-Wan? Yeah, it just doesn't work, in any way, sorry.

Now, Maul and Greivous, it could work, though it's definitely limited to what you can change. Greivous needs a new voice and new dialogue, which is easy to replace since he has no visible mouth, so I think everyone, if they have the resources for a redub and rewrite, should experiment plenty with different concepts for him as a character.

Definitely i would love to see a Clone Wars version of him, says very little, very skilled, dangerous to everyone, and very competent, he was intimading and damn cool in that. In the film, he's a joke, a villain straight out of a 1980's toyline cartoon. Of course, it's hard to solve the issue of him always walking around instead of standing tall and still like he did a lot in CW, but his voice and dialgoue is easy to change to make him cool again. It doesn't require much change in concept either, just cut out any bungling and get a new script, and he's solved.

Now if you want to change his character's role, it might be tricky. I'm all for more mockups of him as Maul (actually I'm for more mockups period, I do love the mockups you people make :D), and even some video concepts. It could work, it would make Obi-Wan's defeat of him in ROTS a bigger deal, and give him a rival for the PT (sicne they apparently abandoned the idea of his rival being Jango halfway through AOTC). Ages ago someone mocked up recolouring Grevious to be red and black like Maul, with the tattoo design., I think everyone agreed it was too complicated to do, but some slight changes wouldn't go amiss (the eyes of coruse have to change).

And that's another overly long post from me done. I need an editor.

The wonders of desaturation!

vaderios said:

here is my try to match the neckpiece of vader's in ROTJ. also as bonus and only i made him with pale skin( like murphy from robocop lol)

No more sith eyes :)

 

-Angel

I love what you've done with the repositioning and I think it would work perfectly. But as has been said, I think that the recoloring of the skin is a bit counterproductive. In addition to my thinking that it doesn't really match the scene, I don't really think it makes sense for him to be pale looking at this point. The guy just had his ass dragged out of a volcano, so I think it makes sense that he look red and pulpy as the movie showed. He hasn't had a chance to heal yet, so his skin would look red and raw since he's been terribly burned just recently. In ROTJ, we were seeing what Vader looks like after spending 25 years in what's essentially a walking hyberbaric chamber, so by then the redness would have gone away and he'd look pale, as he did. I think it's important that during the masking scene, Anakin's face looks like he's just been dragged through the pits of hell, not like he's been in recovery for 25 years.

vaderios said:

Hey! you stole my concept!

;)

-Angel

well it was Adywan's concept first with the Death Star interiors :p...but yeah...more or less

I'm seriously going to attempt a full attempt at taking Jar Jar out of TPM completely. It will take me some time, and I'll be incorporating it with my TPM edit, but I think I can do it. I'll be using Photoshop to paint him out of every scene of his that's left. It'll then be a simple matter of taking his audio out of the scenes.

^"Good luck, you're gonna need it".

If you could do it, it would be a valuable resource (like the Fettless ROTJ) for people who don't necessarily want to remove him entirely but want to change his character.

It would be interesting to see how and indeed if the film works without him (he has a lot more screen time and interaction with the major characters than Fett does in ROTJ).

Ady wants the first two prequels to be Threepio free.

It looks like by the time we are all through Star Wars will be a series of nice backgrounds with no one in them :-D

tehwallaby:

"It'll then be a simple matter of taking his audio out of the scenes."

 Hehehe, that's pretty funny.

Bingowings:

"It looks like by the time we are all through Star Wars will be a series of nice backgrounds with no one in them :-D"

I kind of thought that of the prequels already, if you know what I mean.

"Don't underestimate my power."

No, I'm kidding, It will be hard. But less tedious than painting him out...

But how do you plan to have the narrative make sense?

And how will that impact on the second movie? Jar Jar makes the crucial proposal that Palpatine wants in the Senate.

jar jar has already been successfully removed from that scene in countless edits. You just simply cut into Palpatine making the announcement. Who cares of made the motion, the announcement was what was important.

Well it is kind of important considering that vote is the reason behind the entire opening of the movie. But anyway, what about The Phantom Menace, how are you getting the Jedi from the forest to Theed? Just having them hitch all the way on the transport and cutting the entire sequence with Jar Jar and the Gungans? I'm asking out of interest, not challenging you.

If the linear approach I suggested was employed they wouldn't need help getting to Theed because the Queen is off world when the blockade arrives.

The Jedi are sent to investigate the invasion when Amidala decides to return home to free her people.

Darth Venal said:

Well it is kind of important considering that vote is the reason behind the entire opening of the movie. But anyway, what about The Phantom Menace, how are you getting the Jedi from the forest to Theed? Just having them hitch all the way on the transport and cutting the entire sequence with Jar Jar and the Gungans? I'm asking out of interest, not challenging you.

If someone could matte Theed in the distance in some of the wider forest shots one could imply that it wasn't improbably far

Octorox:

"If someone could matte Theed in the distance in some of the wider forest shots one could imply that it wasn't improbably far"

Ooh, sounds like a nice thing to have a go at doing. I'll try putting something together when I get home, if nobody else has tried before then.

I definitely would prefer to cut out or minimise the Ota Gunga (or however it's spelt) and the planet core stuff. Always hated that sequence, it's just filler. And I still don't get how they get from a deep ocean to being in a river running by the palace (which becomes a waterfall, so they couldn't have come up that way). Dumb. But I also feel totally removing Jar Jar has too great an impact on the rest of the movie. Either that or I just care enough to alter it so radically. Meh.

What I do care about is painting mattes, so I'll stick to that and leave the Exorcism of Jar Jar Binks to you. :-)

Darth Venal said:

Well it is kind of important considering that vote is the reason behind the entire opening of the movie. But anyway, what about The Phantom Menace, how are you getting the Jedi from the forest to Theed? Just having them hitch all the way on the transport and cutting the entire sequence with Jar Jar and the Gungans? I'm asking out of interest, not challenging you.

Confusedmatthew and his video reviews of the first 2 prequels explains it best how the voting system in the senate is ridiculous and makes no sense. Amidala and her ONE VOTE gets a Supreme Chancellor re-elected, and similarly, Jar Jar, and his ONE VOTE gets the Chancellor granted emergency powers to create a clone army that the entire senate were dead against having. They passed a motion to circumvent themselves!

So no. Jar Jar's one vote isn't important at all. It just shows how Lucas wasn't even thinking when he made this film. When he needs things to happen in the plot, everyone suddenly becomes stupid to allow it to happen.

I thought Jar Jar put forward the motion and then they will vote on it. You can't honestly expect them to show something like a vote from a Senate that big? I didn't read it as "one vote for all" at all.

Darth Venal said:

You can't honestly expect them to show something like a vote from a Senate that big?

Actually that's exactly the kind of thing we have come to expect from Lucas LOL.

Darth Venal said:

I thought Jar Jar put forward the motion and then they will vote on it. You can't honestly expect them to show something like a vote from a Senate that big? I didn't read it as "one vote for all" at all.

"The Senate will never approve the use of clones."

Bring on Jar Jar.

Everyone then votes to circumvent their exisiting decision.

Surely you can see how utterly retarded that is?

TV's Frink said:

Darth Venal said:

You can't honestly expect them to show something like a vote from a Senate that big?

Actually that's exactly the kind of thing we have come to expect from Lucas LOL.

 I don't know, in TPM Amidala signing/not signing a treaty seemed to be very important but we never found out why.

The prequels have little story as it is. Removing a whole character would not only be difficult (and I second Angel's question of whether you know how you'd go about removing him as an element) but would probably mess up the story.

A far more realistic undertaking would be a redub, so that we might actually start to like his character.

Bingowings:

" I don't know, in TPM Amidala signing/not signing a treaty seemed to be very important but we never found out why."

That was a MacGuffin.