The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 10

Liked that lol at the end, lol

Anybody know any more details about the 2hr edit of the prequels thats going to be shown in the O2 in Greenwich in April 2009?

JD

Jambe Davdar said:

Anybody know any more details about the 2hr edit of the prequels thats going to be shown in the O2 in Greenwich in April 2009?

JD

It's "Star Wars: A Musical Journey" on 10th April. More details can be found HERE.

Originally posted by Adywan:

"Anakin shouldn't be able to have a Padawan as he isn't yet a master and is still a Padawan himself."

Actually, he's a Jedi Knight by the time The Clone Wars takes place.

"That alone proves that there was not enough lung damage, if any at all, to warrant a life support suit. Case closed."

Okay, I'm totally confused now.  What are you arguing?  That Darth Vader should not have a life support suit in the first place?  I'm sure that's not what you're saying given how you revere the OT, but based on your last post that's how it sounds.

Rhikter said:

"That alone proves that there was not enough lung damage, if any at all, to warrant a life support suit. Case closed."

Okay, I'm totally confused now.  What are you arguing?  That Darth Vader should not have a life support suit in the first place?  I'm sure that's not what you're saying given how you revere the OT, but based on your last post that's how it sounds.

No, I'm saying that the argument that his lung damage was caused by the brief seconds he was on fire is such a lame reason and that it should have been handled a different way. The way that ROTS showed Anakin's Damage gave no reasoning why he had a life support suit. His lungs weren't damaged enough to warrant this otherwise he would not have been able to scream while on the operating table. As i said before i want to somehow show a better reason why Anakin's lungs became so damaged that he needed help breathing when i get to ROTS

Originally posted by Adywan:

"As i said before i want to somehow show a better reason why Anakin's lungs became so damaged that he needed help breathing when i get to ROTS."

Okay, if you can pull it off then more power to you.

Originally posted by TMBTM:

"Maybe replacing the scream by a long painful "breathing for air" sound (don't know how to say in english...)..."

Wheezing?

One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT

Originally posted by Adywan:

"One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT."

Why?

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Adywan:

"One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT."

Why?

well for one there is something just not right about Vader's appearance in ROTS. Hayden just does not look right in the costume. His portrayal is just not Vader. look at the end scene when they are looking at the Death Star. he folds his arms. Vader in the OT would never have done that. He doesn't even fill the suit correctly and is too short. he has built up  heels on for gods sake in ROTS. I may not even be able to pull it off but its something i'm seriously considering.

adywan said:

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Adywan:

"One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT."

Why?

well for one there is something just not right about Vader's appearance in ROTS. Hayden just does not look right in the costume. His portrayal is just not Vader. look at the end scene when they are looking at the Death Star. he folds his arms. Vader in the OT would never have done that. He doesn't even fill the suit correctly and is too short. he has built up  heels on for gods sake in ROTS. I may not even be able to pull it off but its something i'm seriously considering.

 

but that is still young vader he changes in 19 years.

JediMasterFisher said:

but that is still young vader he changes in 19 years.

 

But he wouldn't have grown about 6 inches though? And if he was more machine than man then surely his bulk would be the same as it was in the OT.  Like i said the transformation was poorly executed and Vader just isn't right. I'm going to have great fun redoing the whole Anakin burned / Vader born section :)

adywan said:

JediMasterFisher said:

but that is still young vader he changes in 19 years.

 

But he wouldn't have grown about 6 inches though? And if he was more machine than man then surely his bulk would be the same as it was in the OT.  Like i said the transformation was poorly executed and Vader just isn't right. I'm going to have great fun redoing the whole Anakin burned / Vader born section :)

He is taller because he most likely was upgraded.

adywan said:

...look at the end scene when they are looking at the Death Star. he folds his arms. Vader in the OT would never have done that.

Well, just because he wouldn't do something in the OT doesn't mean he never did it earlier in his life.

But, anyway...I just wish they would have shown Vader doing more - After all the time they put into remaking the suit, you'd think they would've done more with it. Such a waste. :(

I enjoyed the opera scene because Palpatine made it sound like I was right.  Back in 2000, I was sitting around thinking about TPM, when it hit me: What if Palpatine cloned midiclorians and put them inside a slave girl on a backwater planet so he could have an all-powerful apprentice he could pick up whenever he pleased?  Why else would Lucas have introduced a scientific aspect to the force if it can't be manipulated?  Then the Jedi found the boy and Palpatine thinks "This is even better, they found my experiment, and they're going to teach him all of the basic Force usage stuff he would need.  I just need to get close to him and turn him when he gets powerful enough."  Of course, I thought that was odd, and something Palpatine would have said in RotJ trying to sway Luke.  "You can't redeem your father.  He is mine.  I created him.  In a way... I am your grandfather!"

I raised a fist in the air in triumph during that scene.  Of course, he doesn't just come out and say it.  And it may not even be a true statement on Palpatine's part.  But one day when I was 16, my mind worked the same as Lucas'.  I wrote it all down, I know I still have it somewhere...

Originally posted by Adywan:

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Adywan:

"One thing i am planning on, and i really hope that i can pull it off, is i want to replace all footage of Hayden in the vader suit with Dave Prowse's Vader from the OT."

Why?

"well for one there is something just not right about Vader's appearance in ROTS. Hayden just does not look right in the costume. His portrayal is just not Vader. look at the end scene when they are looking at the Death Star. he folds his arms. Vader in the OT would never have done that. He doesn't even fill the suit correctly and is too short. he has built up  heels on for gods sake in ROTS. I may not even be able to pull it off but its something i'm seriously considering."

I never noticed his boots in either Trilogy.  They just never caught my eye.  I don't think that they're the type of thing that draws one's attention unless they're actively looking for it.

As far as folding arms goes, that hardly seems like enough to justify calling Hayden's portrayal not "Vader enough."  Don't get me wrong, I'm certain that, had Hayden been given more screen time, he would have totally screwed it up,  but compared to all the other problems with the PT this is a relatively small blip.  Also, if you want to look at it from an In-Universe POV, I must agree with Davnes007.  Personality develops over time.  Vader had after all gotten over his Teenage Angst by the time of ANH.  Just because Vader didn't fold his arms in the OT doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it in the PT.

Still, I would like to see what you come up with before condemning it.  So please, go for it!

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Akwat Kbrana:

"...it doesn't explain the massive discrepancy vis-a-vis beautiful holographic displays all over the place in the PT, but atari dots and dinky monochrome monitors in the OT..."

I don't know what you could possibly be referencing other than the Death Star plans presented on Yavin IV in ANH.  Other than that you don't have any real argument.

Nonsense. Flashy holographic displays are everywhere in the PT. Every ship cockpit has them (the number of which are legion in the PT). The streets of Coruscant are filled with holographic billboards. The warrooms on Geonosis and Coruscant showcase massive holographic battle tracking systems. The Jedi library has fancy touch-screens with high resolution graphic readouts. Those are just off the top of my head; I'm sure a comprehensive list would be a good deal lengthier.

Compare with the OT. Ship cockpits have tiny flashing lights and a host of levers. What digital screens we see are laughably archaic looking, rather like old ATARI games (targetting computers in MF, TIE fighters, X-Wings, etc.; computer banks in the DS; rebel DS attack run slideshow, and so on). Just compare the Yavin IV war room to the Geonosis war room twenty years ealier. The later site has a silly looking dial that doesn't really seem to do anything, while the earlier (presumably less advanced) site has a very detailed holographic readout that tracks individual ships and troops, if I'm recalling the scene correctly. Now, I can see there being little or no aesthetic progression due to more and more funds being funneled into military development by the Empire, but there's no reason that readout screens and control computers would aesthetically devolve. That's just silly.

George should've kept the look of the PT similar to that of the OT. Instead, he foists off a universe where technology devolves in quality. It's just one more (of many) factors that makes the PT almost impossible to swallow. Suspension of disbelief can only take so many hits before it crumbles entirely.

OzoneSherrif said:

That reminds me... there really ought not to be any Death Star blueprints shown in the prequels. I was always under the impression the Empire and their scientists figured that whole thing out. Otherwise the Empire loses major coolness.

The empire sucks anyway the rebels and the jedi are the coolness!

TMBTM said:

Okay, I have an idea, don't know what it worth... probably 2 cents.

One of the things that did not work for many people in ROTS is the way too quick turning of Anakin to the dark side. Now, if we can make more obivious to the audience that Palpatine is the "creator" of Anakin, maybe through midichlorians manipulations (I know Ady said: 'no midichlorians!"), we could somehow show that the order 66 has an effect on him too...

I told you... probably 2 cents.

That's an interesting take. It would at least require a shot where Anakin received the order (via hologram?). And does he get the order before he kills Mace? And even then, it could only really be implied that Palpatine's creation of Anakin is what caused him to turn.

Regardless, I totally agree that Anakin's turn was bumbled. Multiple reasons are implied by the movie, but it unfortunately settles on the "fear of Padme's death". I think a better approach would be to pick just one reason and discard all others. Anakin's suspicion of Obi Wan's relationship with Padme is littered throughout the movie, and I think it would be a bold edit to go with just that.

Here's an idea I had regarding his quick turn (but not relating directly to the "reason"). It seems to me that when he confronts Palpatine and discovers he's the Sith, he's almost ready to kill him, but he changes his mind so quickly later. Instead, as per George's original plan, edit the scene in Palpatine's hallway so that Anakin seems conflicted by Palpatine's admission. He ignites his saber breifly, but after some prattle from Palps (insert "reason" here), he turns off his saber, and Palpatine smiles. Scene ends. (Anakin never alerts Mace. The Jedi already suspect Palpatine will not turn over power. I think there's a deleted scene that may be useful here). When Mace shows up, Anakin is nowhere to be seen. But he's actually sulking conflictedly in the shadows (maybe footage from the council chamber scene could be darkened and rotoscoped). While the duel continues, Anakin experiences his true turn: an emotional crescendo where we hear in his mind waves of overlapping voices (Qui Gon: "He is the chose one", Palps: "I see you becoming the greatest of all the Jedi", etc etc.). The voices continue and jumble up, getting louder and becoming unbearable (the right music could really sell this). Just as the voices reach a peak and crash into silence, Palps seems to be beaten. Anakin, now turned, suddenly steps out to quietly dismember Mace. After the electrified Mace flies out the window, the kneeling Anakin simply says "I will do whatever you ask, my master."

And that's my 1 cent.