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The Phantom Menace - Original Theatrical Cut: (Pan & Scan) VHS Preservation (Released) — Page 2

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Erikstormtrooper said:

Wait, so 720p is better than 1080i?

1080i requires a CRT. All other tvs convert it to 720p but add a blur to the image in the process.

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Getting back on track, here are some images from the P&S VHS. Let me know if there are any specific parts you want to see. They are presented in their native resolution. The first image is... ironic?

http://s27.postimg.org/jrvnt3j2r/tpmvhs.png

If you guys know of any way to get a better capture of the video, let me know.

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darklordoftech said:


1080i requires a CRT. All other tvs convert it to 720p but add a blur to the image in the process.

 Rubbish, all non-CRT TVs deinterlace 1080i etc. They don't convert it to 720p (unless they're old 720p sets) they convert it to 1080p60, whilst losing about 5% off the margin (19% in total) to overscan. Even if 1080p was a broadcast format it would still need to be resized for overscan when displayed on a tv. I'm not sure why you think it "blurs" the image - modern tv sets have excellent deinterlace chips.

720p images also have to be converted to the TVs resolution whilst losing at least 19% of the resolution to overscan.

Handman said:

Getting back on track, here are some images from the P&S VHS. Let me know if there are any specific parts you want to see. They are presented in their native resolution. The first image is... ironic?

 Nice, thanks. :)

[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]

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Handman said:

Getting back on track, here are some images from the P&S VHS. Let me know if there are any specific parts you want to see. They are presented in their native resolution. The first image is... ironic?

http://s27.postimg.org/jrvnt3j2r/tpmvhs.png

If you guys know of any way to get a better capture of the video, let me know.

 Those actually look pretty good,  all things considered. Can you post some shots of the crawl or the duel?

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Handman said:

They are presented in their native resolution.

Looks like the torrent is 720x480 MPEG-2 with PCM sound

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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I think he means vhs resolution. ;)

[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]

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Of course VHS ain't gonna resolve 720 lines,
but the torrent description contained no tech specs, so there :P

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

Handman said:

They are presented in their native resolution.


Looks like the torrent is 720x480 MPEG-2 with PCM sound

That is correct, it is showing up like that. However, when I play it the resolution is closer to the standard 640x480, so I have no idea where that number is coming from.

What I meant is that each of those six images have not been upscaled or manipulated in any way. Though, now that I look at it, it looks like that website has indeed resized the image, even though it said it wouldn't.

Here is the crawl, showing off the shortcomings of my capture:

http://s28.postimg.org/3v62nt0al/scroll1.png

http://s28.postimg.org/4i4zdbx6l/scroll2.png

http://s28.postimg.org/46nj0kgql/scroll3.png

http://s28.postimg.org/bcjvgrf7h/scroll4.png

Here is the duel, sometimes cutting off Obi-Wan or Qui-gon:

http://s28.postimg.org/nqx068b0d/duel1.png

http://s28.postimg.org/pzg8koofx/duel2.png

http://s28.postimg.org/62abbq5kt/duel3.png

http://s28.postimg.org/isejotdj1/duel4.png

http://s28.postimg.org/g0v9y7f0d/duel5.png

http://s28.postimg.org/71vkabef1/duel6.png

http://s28.postimg.org/omyjisr0d/duel7.png

http://s28.postimg.org/dbvvufk59/duel8.png

And here's one thing I thought was weird, Qui-gon talking out of frame. Just another consequence of P&S:

http://s28.postimg.org/jjbv8c5a5/strangethings.png

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I was just now watching the duel, and when Darth Maul ignites his lightsaber, the audio for the blade on the left comes out of the right channel and the for the blade on the right the left channel. It seems that you may have your channels backwards.

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Wazzles said:

I was just now watching the duel, and when Darth Maul ignites his lightsaber, the audio for the blade on the left comes out of the right channel and the for the blade on the right the left channel. It seems that you may have your channels backwards.

 I just watched it to confirm, and from what I could tell, the blade audio was coming from both channels. Perhaps it is a problem with the source? I have no idea how the channels could be backwards, but LucasFilm made the same mistake in 2004 for the DVDs...

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StarmanSkywalker said:

^This

That'd definitely be awesome along with AOTC. I think they only released ROTS on Widescreen VHS in the U.K.

I have the UK TPM VHS releases in P&S and also W/S. The (UK) AOTC VHS was only available in P&S. As far as I know, the ROTS VHS is also P&S only. I've never seen a W/S version.

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My IVTC script:

# aviSynth

cVHS= MPEG2Source("Star Wars - The Phantom Menace - Episode I.d2v")\
.assumeTFF\
.separateFields.showFrameNumber(scroll=true).weave

# 3:2 ...
c1=cVHS.separateFields.trim( 00000,202454).doubleWeave.selectEvery(10,0,3,6,8)
c1=cVHS.separateFields.trim( 02345,202454).doubleWeave.selectEvery(10,1,3,5,8)
# ... 3:2

c2=cVHS.separateFields.trim(202455,-1).nnedi2(dh=true).assumeFPS("ntsc_film")
# 1 + 2:3 ...
c3=cVHS.separateFields.trim(202456,204812).doubleWeave.selectEvery(10,0,2,5,8)
# ... 3:2 / 2
c0=cVHS.separateFields.trim(204813,204814).weave.assumeFPS("ntsc_film")

# 3:2 ...
c4=cVHS.separateFields.trim(204815,218649).doubleWeave.selectEvery(10,1,3,5,8)
# ... 3:2 + 2
c5=cVHS.separateFields.trim(218650,218651).weave.assumeFPS("ntsc_film")

# 3:2 ...
c6=cVHS.separateFields.trim(218652, 00000).doubleWeave.selectEvery(10,0,3,6,8)

cOut= c1+ c2+ c3+ c4+ c5+ c6

return cOut\
.crop(8,0,-8,0).spline16Resize(640,480)
__END__
This VHS preservation has one frame missing at the start of 4th reel,
which is present in althor1138's HF9G-TPM-LD.mkv.torrent

On the other hand, this VHS includes six frames missing from althor's mkv.
From the script's output:
146058 is a reel change
79498, 138108-109 are LD side changes
79250 & 80043 are neither-- they're mysterious mysteries ;-)

I don't like this movie well enough to try downloading althor's 60GB raw avi from usenet

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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We fixed that for us:

Teme_DM said:


On the other hand, this VHS includes six frames missing from althor's mkv.
From the script's output:
145749 is a reel change
79188, 137799-800 are LD side changes
78940 & 79452 are neither-- they're mysterious mysteries


TPM: A Unified Theory

Hi all. We're back with a new-and-improved script.
There is a sample, which was previewed in RU.08 & Valeyard's team thread.
Left is Handman's VHS, center althor1138's LD, right adywan (anamorph.)

The IVTC portion of the script hasn't changed since our previous post.
We did insert one black frame as place-holder for the missing frame mentioned above,
and moved the title card to match the cinema DTS disc.

We had to insert total of 6 black frames into althor's mkv, and 5 into adywan's m2v wherever frames were missing.
There is reel3/reel4 change during the pod race.
It shows some inserted black frames, and also begs the question:
How do we know the LD is intact? Maybe it need black frame(s) inserted too?

We look to the soundtracks to find the answer.
We'll dare to assume the cinema DTS discs aren't missing any frames.
There you'll find macro & micro shots of the same R3/R4 transition.
Top half is schorman's LD rip, while the 2 bottom tracks are the cinema DTS discs 3 & 4 (center channel only).
In the close-up, we see they're not perfectly aligned.
Just eyeballing it, the discrepancy looks ~5 milliseconds, which is considerably less than one film frame's duration.
We conclude the LD isn't missing any frames, else the time shift would be much larger.
Rinse, Repeat for other reels and LD side changes.

In the comments at the bottom of the script you'll find the first frame of each reel,
the last frame of the first shot, and first frame of the last shot of each reel.

"That's all, folks" all the frames from TPM.
We don't think you'll find any more.

If you would like to join our team, all sources mentioned are available from 'spleen torrents.
We thank all the seeders.

Love,
The i-Team


Important Note:
There is no i in Team.
i's a former member

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Glad this was useful to somebody, at least.

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For your consideration I offer another Avisynth script
which takes the Austrian ORF DVB broadcast and the TPM VCD (both from 'spleen)
and aligns both of them with the previous “unified theory” script, above.

Sample is there
Script is there

Comments at the bottom of the script give
reel changes, LD side changes, and now include the VCD disc change.
As always, the first frame of the last shot
and last frame of the first shot are included in the comments.

Believed by some to contain all the frames, this cut of TPM
should in theory match the cinema DTS discs without any audio edits.
Of course some editing will be required to join the reels together,
but no intra-reel edits

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r