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The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 16

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idir_hh said:

This guy on youtube does some crazy good space battle animations, really worth checking out.
https://www.youtube.com/user/HowieDay82/videos

I’ve been following this guy for years and he just keeps getting better and better! I’d really hoped that his animations of pilots could have been repurposed for the Exegol battle but unfortunately I think they stand out a bit too much 😦

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Has anyone thought about trying ways to make Endor more visually interesting? I know George Lucas said he hated how every alien planet in the OT looked like a part of Earth, so I feel like if he had had the resources at the time, he might have made it look more like Felucia with the alien plant life. It would be really hard to make something that consistently CG-heavy, but some color correction and changes to establishing shots would probably be enough to give the impression that it’s not just a regular forest.

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Ed Slushie said:

Has anyone thought about trying ways to make Endor more visually interesting? I know George Lucas said he hated how every alien planet in the OT looked like a part of Earth, so I feel like if he had had the resources at the time, he might have made it look more like Felucia with the alien plant life. It would be really hard to make something that consistently CG-heavy, but some color correction and changes to establishing shots would probably be enough to give the impression that it’s not just a regular forest.

IlFanEditore’s ROTJ edit color-corrected the Endor scenes to make it look more lush and bright. That’s a good starting point.

Maybe someone could add some bioluminiscent flora to the night scenes in the Endor village? That would make it more alien, more deserving of the “sanctuary moon” adjetive, and less Anywhere, California.

Ajan Kloss from Episode 9 is a worse offender for me in that regard, though.

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Knight of Kalee said:

Ed Slushie said:

Has anyone thought about trying ways to make Endor more visually interesting? I know George Lucas said he hated how every alien planet in the OT looked like a part of Earth, so I feel like if he had had the resources at the time, he might have made it look more like Felucia with the alien plant life. It would be really hard to make something that consistently CG-heavy, but some color correction and changes to establishing shots would probably be enough to give the impression that it’s not just a regular forest.

IlFanEditore’s ROTJ edit color-corrected the Endor scenes to make it look more lush and bright. That’s a good starting point.

Maybe someone could add some bioluminiscent flora to the night scenes in the Endor village? That would make it more alien, more deserving of the “sanctuary moon” adjetive, and less Anywhere, California.

Ajan Kloss from Episode 9 is a worse offender for me in that regard, though.

That’s a good idea. And as for Ajan Kloss, I hadn’t thought about it but maybe that’s what the greenish-yellow tint was for…

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Has anyone thought about adding a few Yuzzums to Endor with the Ewoks like originally intended?

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Ed Slushie said:

Has anyone thought about trying ways to make Endor more visually interesting? I know George Lucas said he hated how every alien planet in the OT looked like a part of Earth, so I feel like if he had had the resources at the time, he might have made it look more like Felucia with the alien plant life. It would be really hard to make something that consistently CG-heavy, but some color correction and changes to establishing shots would probably be enough to give the impression that it’s not just a regular forest.

Idk, the massive trees feel pretty distinct. Plus Yavin IV aside it’s the OG forest world. That said, a bit of extra flair probably couldn’t hurt.

Has anyone thought about adding a few Yuzzums to Endor with the Ewoks like originally intended?

I feel like they would probably be living apart therefore I don’t see any place where they would fit into the existing film.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Ed Slushie said:

Has anyone thought about trying ways to make Endor more visually interesting? I know George Lucas said he hated how every alien planet in the OT looked like a part of Earth, so I feel like if he had had the resources at the time, he might have made it look more like Felucia with the alien plant life. It would be really hard to make something that consistently CG-heavy, but some color correction and changes to establishing shots would probably be enough to give the impression that it’s not just a regular forest.

Idk, the massive trees feel pretty distinct. Plus Yavin IV aside it’s the OG forest world. That said, a bit of extra flair probably couldn’t hurt.

Has anyone thought about adding a few Yuzzums to Endor with the Ewoks like originally intended?

I feel like they would probably be living apart therefore I don’t see any place where they would fit into the existing film.

Maybe, I’d just like a little more exotic flare on Endor. It really does just feel like Redwood National. Even just like changing the shade of green on the tree leaves would add some pop.

Use the Force, Joh Yowza.

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Well I’ll certainly a look if anyone comes up with additions or changes to Endor as I love the idea of making any planet more distinct.

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Not to change the subject too rapidly, but has anyone ever worked in the deleted clip of Yoda saying “Obi Wan would’ve told you, had I let him” to Luke? I vaguely remember someone making a rough edit of the hut scene with that clip added in awhile back, but has it been added to any edits?

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Hoop28 said:

Not to change the subject too rapidly, but has anyone ever worked in the deleted clip of Yoda saying “Obi Wan would’ve told you, had I let him” to Luke? I vaguely remember someone making a rough edit of the hut scene with that clip added in awhile back, but has it been added to any edits?

I know Ziggy added the line to his edit.

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Where’s the footage of that? I remember seeing it in a youtube video, but can’t find it anymore.

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SparkySywer said:

Where’s the footage of that? I remember seeing it in a youtube video, but can’t find it anymore.

Here is the original footage.

And here is a fan’s concept of restoring the scene.

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I might try and see if I can put that in that old one Death Star fanedit.

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That’s honestly a really great addition! For the most part it was seamless. Nice work by whoever made that.

Use the Force, Joh Yowza.

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RogueLeader said:

I have seen that video before and it is pretty funny! It is an interesting “what-if” that highlights some of Lynch’s signature elements, but I think if he had actually made Return/Revenge of the Jedi, it would have been more comparable to Dune than anything else. I don’t know if it would have been much different than what we got, besides being more serious and a little creepier maybe. Though I think there was only a 5% chance of that ever happening.

I may have mentioned this before, but something I think would be cool to see in an eventual Revenge of the Jedi edit, sort of like Snooker’s project, would be for Luke and Vader to swap lightsabers like the ‘Revenge’ original poster portrays.

While I believe this was a mistake by the artist, I think that image really sparks one’s imagination, and I can imagine how it could happen. After Luke falls off the catwalk, you could insert somewhere (maybe it is the first shot we see when the next time we return to the Throne room) the shot of Vader holding Luke’s lightsaber earlier in the film, to show that Vader has picked up Luke’s saber. Then when Vader triggers Luke, Luke gets Vader’s saber and uses it against him. It could help sell the idea of Luke being on the edge of turning to the dark side, and Vader using a green/blue saber could foreshadow him turning back to the light a few moments later.

You could keep it green like it is in the final film, but it would also be cool to see Luke with a blue saber since it originally was suppose to be blue.

I could definitely see that as a moment that kids would have flipped out over back in the day. Just a fun what-if.

EDIT: You would also have to replace the saber hilts in a few shots, but it probably wouldn’t be noticeable for the wider shots.

Regarding the poster, Lucas was convinced, early on, to change the name to "Revenge…: but reverted back to the original near the end of production. He stated ‘Jedi don’t do revenge’ (paraphrase).

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It’s not something I’d LIKE to do to ROTJ since I don’t really like the sequel trilogy’s story…but:

There may be a way to change the Emperor’s explosion slightly to have his energy “leave” the Death Star and dissipate into space offcamera. Just an implication that something went off into space that leaves it open to how his “ghost” got into the clone body.

Also, perhaps Lando’s explosion can be edited so the Death Star cracks into solid pieces, and show some of them spiralling off into the nearby planets. This makes Rey finding pieces of it less jarring.

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I don’t like the clone body idea. I prefer having his original body survive.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t like the clone body idea. I prefer having his original body survive.

But I think it just raises too many questions. How did his body survive exploding TWICE? How did he survive being in the vacuum of space for who knows how long? How did the Sith Cultists know he was alive, and find his body amid all the wreckage? It makes much more sense for Palpatine to have a contingency plan involving clones, like in the novelization.

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One explanation is that ol’ Palps levitated himself onto a walkway down the elevator shaft after shooting blue ribbons out of his hands and then hopped onto a shuttle.

Another possibility is that his body landed on a catwalk and a Praetorian guard found it and got it out on a shuttle for future reanimation.

Or if you wanted to get really crazy and use clones, the Palpatine on DS2 could have been the clone, explaining his clear insanity.

The absolute worst way to go would have the original body die and bring him back as a clone.

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NeverarGreat said:

One explanation is that ol’ Palps levitated himself onto a walkway down the elevator shaft after shooting blue ribbons out of his hands and then hopped onto a shuttle.

Another possibility is that his body landed on a catwalk and a Praetorian guard found it and got it out on a shuttle for future reanimation.

Or if you wanted to get really crazy and use clones, the Palpatine on DS2 could have been the clone, explaining his clear insanity.

The absolute worst way to go would have the original body die and bring him back as a clone.

The problem with the “he just landed” answer is basically…it’s mundane. The climax of the the entire trilogy is negated by him escaping like Grevious “time to abandon ship hee hee hee.” It also, from a narrative sense, ruin Luke’s confrontation since Palp was never in danger since he can just walk away even from falling 1000000 feet.

Thematically, it ruins the whole trilogy, since Anakin’s sacrifice is instantly negated. Sort of like how JJ kept undoing Chewie and 3po and Ben Solo’s deaths 30 seconds later. At least with a clone, it thematically fits in the sense of “he came back…but wrong, undoing death has consequences.”

With a clone, especially as it’s degrading from “Dark Side” alchemy, it also explains why the Star Wars universe DOES NOT use clone tech to resurrect people.

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thebluefrog said:

NeverarGreat said:

One explanation is that ol’ Palps levitated himself onto a walkway down the elevator shaft after shooting blue ribbons out of his hands and then hopped onto a shuttle.

Another possibility is that his body landed on a catwalk and a Praetorian guard found it and got it out on a shuttle for future reanimation.

Or if you wanted to get really crazy and use clones, the Palpatine on DS2 could have been the clone, explaining his clear insanity.

The absolute worst way to go would have the original body die and bring him back as a clone.

The problem with the “he just landed” answer is basically…it’s mundane. The climax of the the entire trilogy is negated by him escaping like Grevious “time to abandon ship hee hee hee.”

Three words: Ming always escapes.

It also, from a narrative sense, ruin Luke’s confrontation since Palp was never in danger since he can just walk away even from falling 1000000 feet.

On the contrary, it clarifies that Luke’s only intention was to save his father. He believed that if he were taken to the Emperor they would all die in the Alliance attack. Palpatine dying from either his hand or his fathers was never stated by Luke as his goal.

Thematically, it ruins the whole trilogy, since Anakin’s sacrifice is instantly negated. Sort of like how JJ kept undoing Chewie and 3po and Ben Solo’s deaths 30 seconds later. At least with a clone, it thematically fits in the sense of “he came back…but wrong, undoing death has consequences.”

Anakin’s sacrifice is also clarified - His intention becomes unequivocally one of saving his son rather than doing another murder.

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But the Prophecy!

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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NeverarGreat said:

Three words: Ming always escapes.

Sorry, but this ain’t a 30’s serial. It’s 2020, audiences expect more complicated storytelling than just “he escaped.”

Anakin’s sacrifice is also clarified - His intention becomes unequivocally one of saving his son rather than doing another murder.

But the whole Chosen One thingy is about him destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the force. If he didn’t actually kill the last Sith, that makes the whole thing seem really stupid. I know some people didn’t like the prophecy, but that doesn’t mean you can just ignore it and pretend it never happened.

At least with him being a clone, you can justify that he technically died, but just came back a shell of his former self. Palpatine surviving Anakin’s sacrifice pretty much renders the entire George Lucas saga pointless.

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StarkillerAG said:

But the whole Chosen One thingy is about him destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the force. If he didn’t actually kill the last Sith, that makes the whole thing seem really stupid. I know some people didn’t like the prophecy, but that doesn’t mean you can just ignore it and pretend it never happened.

Tell that to the guy who brought him back.

At least with him being a clone, you can justify that he technically died, but just came back a shell of his former self. Palpatine surviving Anakin’s sacrifice pretty much renders the entire George Lucas saga pointless.

A prophecy that may have been fulfilled at the end of ROTS with an equal amount of Jedi and Sith.

A prophecy that Anakin spends not a single line of dialogue in the films acknowledging exists.

A prophecy that could just as well have referred to Anakin’s inner struggle.

A prophecy that misread, may have been.

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