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War does not make one great.
The Official Greencapt 'Batman & Robin: De-Assified' Edit thread (Released) — Page 8
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
But, as far as the movies go, the Burton films basically invented the rubber suited look that most people now equate with Batman and that Begins used. In the comics he had a grey spandex suit with black boots, gloves, cape and headgear.
But, as far as the movies go, the Burton films basically invented the rubber suited look that most people now equate with Batman and that Begins used. In the comics he had a grey spandex suit with black boots, gloves, cape and headgear.
I always used to joke that in the films all a villain needed to do was stay just outside of Batman's peripheral vision because he's essentially wearing a neck brace and very restrictive suit. I've never truly liked any of the cowls.
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- Greencapt, DAMN what can I say....
You've REALLY did a GREAT job on this DVD man!!!!!!!!!!
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK
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So, basically all I've been doing this week is waiting for this DVD. I get home from school...run out to the mailbox and....(drumroll)... IT'S EMPTY! In my head I'm cursing the postal office for taking it from me, then I go inside and on the kitchen table...(louder drumroll) LAYS THE GEM! I rip open the package...or at least try! Damn greencapt, you seal those m'fers good! So I use scissors and get the thing out, run downstairs and pop it in de DVD playa. It starts up, and my eyes are locked to the screen.
The movie shoots right into action, and pretty much stays that way throughout. It rarely slows down except for when Freeze shares sad moments with his wife (which I love) and when Poison Ivy does some stupid crap (which regardless how good the edit is I hate...
)The opening is great and I love that it's faster than the original...at least it seemed faster anyways.
This movie seemed so much darker than the original, or maybe it's just my copy of the original. A copied VHS version that was copied off of another VHS... SO I never really even had a good copy of this before. Well that VHS is getting thrown out the window and in it's place will sit this nice edit.
In this film, Freeze is a badass, Batman isn't a dumbass, and Robin is just a sidekick...like he's supposed to be.
Although I enjoyed this alot I must say I still have those uncontrollable gripes that just come with this film.
-I still hate the score, except for the Freeze/Wife theme. Greencapt has no control over this though.
-Uma Thurman's piss poor acting. Once again out of of Greencapt's control.
-I still hate the Wayne Diamond Auction. The scene sucks...period. I don't see why they didn't just have Bruce and Dick monitoring for freezes attack from atop the building or just waiting then gearing up. It would've reduced the cheese, but I guess Shumacher wanted cheese.
Overall...
My Grade for the Film Now: C... had it had more unASSish material to put in it would've seemed more complete to me...but I knew that it was going to be short and sweet.
Grade of Greencapt's skills: A+ you go DAWG!
A kiss is even deadlier if you mean it."
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Freeze's gun doesn't 'stick' to the top of the dinosaur at the beginning. Those scenes are taken out. But now, we see a pointless scene of a man 'falling' behind Freeze, the man is the fat one that got thrown at the dinosaur to get the gun down. So now Freeze walks over to the dinosaur with no gun, stops at it base, turns around with his gun, and walks back to his van. HUH???
AhhahahahahahahAHAHAHahahaha...LOL
Actually THAT is my favorite joke in the whole film! At first I was like 'Aw crap what do I do ablout that?!?!?' but then I realized- there's all this other stuff flying around and getting destroyed- WHY NOT! In my mind one of Freeze's goons just busted the guy and sent him flying- and Freeze is too much of a Bad MF to even bat an eyelash!!! I laugh my ass off evertime I watch that cut- that 'fat falling guy' deserves and academy award!
More later gang!
GC
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I think I'm catching a cold danggit!!!
Uh, anyhow- I'll be posting more personal comments tomorrow when I'm at work (you know- when I *should* be working!
) but for now:I've upload the higher-rez cover art I promised here: Batman & Robin: De-Assified cover art
Also, I'm in the process of re-posting the edit to alt.binaries.dvd... THIS time with yEnc AND with a brand new NZB.
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keep up the GREAT work
DJ
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I received my DVD in the mail on Friday. First thing I notice is that the address label tells me it's coming from you in the US. Then I rip it open and see the now-familiar De-Assified cover slip. I knew I couldn't watch it right then and there, I had to wait. I was going to force myself to watch the original Batman & Robin and then watch the De-Assified version, to be able to compare. However, when I went to my family's VHS drawer and grabbed the tape to watch it. It seems our VHS player was playing up or the tape itself had gotten too old. So, I couldn't watch that version. I decided that I'd wait until the next day to watch the DVD as I was having my girlfriend over for a movie day.
So, I ended up watching the DVD with my brother and my girlfriend. Let me just say right now, you have made a version that is far, FAR better than the original. It does seem very short as a live-action film, but when there wasn't enough good material to salvage, what can you do? I was surprised to find myself remembering bits & pieces that were cut out, from entire scenes to snippets of dialogue. I was really glad to see that although the 'bidding for Ivy' scene scene had been left in, you cut out Batman and Robin's bidding and bickering. I think the opening sequence is the best sequence in the film due to its Bond-like 'straight into the action' setup.
Now, my brother said when it was over, that it was "definitely a much better version", and I could tell he enjoyed watching it. My girlfriend was cringing at the corny one-liners (those that survived) and shaking her head at the dialogue - particularly Dr. Isley's (sp?). I'd told her about the film beforehand and when I asked if she was brave enough to watch it, she said she was. She also said that she would not watch the original version with me to compare. A Tim Burton fan, she loves Batman & Batman Returns. I recently saw Batman Begins with her, and she thought that was excellent as well. However, she apparently saw B&R at the cinema with her parents when she was little. She must not have liked it even then, because she's always hated this movie. I asked her if she thought this version was better, and she is adamant that nothing could save this film. It's a shame, but I don't think she could stomach B&R even in it's De-Assified form
. Granted, we had just watched the Army of Darkness Director's Cut, and she thought that was a really bad movie. I kept saying throughout both AoD and B&R: DA that she'd have to learn to live with it as I do love a lot of movies she considers to be bad. I keep telling her I'm going to buy the 1966 movie and the instrumental soundtrack to it, because I had it on tape as a child. She justs shakes her head firmly and says "No! It's a waste of money". Lol.Anyway, I don't have any real gripes about the film, except for 2 minor ones. I don't care to see more Bane, but I thought the after-the-credits bit (while I can see the intention), doesn't work too well as Bane isn't in the film enough. Just my opinion. I liked it though.
The second thing is exactly what a lot of others have been saying; Where's Alfred? I know the footage is probably corny or whatever, but Alfred just seems to disappear for the 2nd half of the film. I understand there's probably nothing you can do about that, so it's alright.I have 2 minor comments on the tech side of things. The DVD's menu is a bit hard to read, and the highlighted items were hard to read as the colour used was bright pink. This made the menu screen a little unprofessional. You might want to think about changing the menu's 'selection' colour. The other thing is, and maybe this was just my setup. I watched this film on our secondary TV (which only has built-in speakers) and sometimes the loud sound would cause loud buzzing and detract from the film. We couldn't turn the volume down to stop this, otherwise we wouldn't be able to hear the dialogue. Again, if this is just due to my crappy setup on our 2nd TV, take no notice of it.
All in all - Batman & Robin: De-Assified deserves to be recommended to family and friends who disliked/hated the original version. I don't like to give ratings to fan-edits (term used loosely in the case of B&R), but you've done a tremendous job upgrading this film from 'Crapfest' to 'Watchable/Enjoyable Edit'. I look forward to any future edits you release.
To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com
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Batman & Robin: De-Assified - A Greencapt Special Edition!!
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK
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Kindly just PM me to let me know whether it's possible or not and what costs would be involved...
Thanks for the effort man!!
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Can someone put this on LimeWire or something? I've been wanting to see this edit for the last few weeks, and have had allsorts of problems with newsgroups and torrents.
Please please please please!!!!!
Thanks
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Originally posted by: Neilneil72
Can someone put this on LimeWire or something? I've been wanting to see this edit for the last few weeks, and have had allsorts of problems with newsgroups and torrents.
Please please please please!!!!!
Thanks
Can someone put this on LimeWire or something? I've been wanting to see this edit for the last few weeks, and have had allsorts of problems with newsgroups and torrents.
Please please please please!!!!!
Thanks
Neilneil and everyone... sorry again for my spotty responses as of late. Big stuff going on in greencapt-land and urelated to editing regretfully. But its all good.
I installed Limewire on a trial basis and have it running now. It won't be on forever because work has me taking my computer from home to office at various times. But, that said, if all is installed properly right now you can search for "Batman And Robin DeAssified" and should be able to find it. Hope it helps for the short term.
GC
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Thanks for the comments CC and segaflip-
Many valid points there CC and I agree for the most part. There are some awkward moments that were destined to be there.
Bane should have been a strong enough (no pun intended) character to build a whole film around instead of throwing him in, likewise a Batgirl (I say 'a' because we all know that character *wasn't* Batgirl ). Oh and btw- did your catch the Bane bit after the credits? Its funny because I envisioned sort of a psuedo-story going on during this version of the film- including the set-up for Bane to appear in a 'sequel'.
Most of Batgirl's stuff stunk so again in 'story-in-my-head' mode I pictured that Batman, much more intelligent than Schumacher or the script gave him credit for, *knew* that Barbara was up to something and you even can (hopefully) get the impression that Bruce and Alfred baited her.
I fully admit the 'Robin-signal' makes no sense in the edit, but god help me I couldn't bring myself to put more Bane in the film! And regretfully Bane and Ivy are joined at the hip in the film.
As to the transitions, yes in the 'version' I was trying to stay as true as possible to the other 3 films in the series. My friend BatmanMD (who is obviously too good to post here anymore ) also liked the idea of more wipes, etc. I know, as stated before, that I'm going to do a version 2.0 eventually (audio commentary, etc) and I very well may re-visit severla of these points. I don't know about other editors but there is always the temptation to keep re-doing and re-doing the work. This works well to a point but eventually one will end up like George Lucas and tweaking and tweaking... a bad thing IMHO.
Thanks for the comments CC and segaflip-
Many valid points there CC and I agree for the most part. There are some awkward moments that were destined to be there.
Bane should have been a strong enough (no pun intended) character to build a whole film around instead of throwing him in, likewise a Batgirl (I say 'a' because we all know that character *wasn't* Batgirl
). Oh and btw- did your catch the Bane bit after the credits? Its funny because I envisioned sort of a psuedo-story going on during this version of the film- including the set-up for Bane to appear in a 'sequel'.Most of Batgirl's stuff stunk so again in 'story-in-my-head' mode I pictured that Batman, much more intelligent than Schumacher or the script gave him credit for, *knew* that Barbara was up to something and you even can (hopefully) get the impression that Bruce and Alfred baited her.
I fully admit the 'Robin-signal' makes no sense in the edit, but god help me I couldn't bring myself to put more Bane in the film! And regretfully Bane and Ivy are joined at the hip in the film.
As to the transitions, yes in the 'version' I was trying to stay as true as possible to the other 3 films in the series. My friend BatmanMD (who is obviously too good to post here anymore
) also liked the idea of more wipes, etc. I know, as stated before, that I'm going to do a version 2.0 eventually (audio commentary, etc) and I very well may re-visit severla of these points. I don't know about other editors but there is always the temptation to keep re-doing and re-doing the work. This works well to a point but eventually one will end up like George Lucas and tweaking and tweaking... a bad thing IMHO. First time poster here, want to say what I wonderfull forum this is, what a great movement it is to try and restore the original cuts of Star Wars, and, to go by the topic, say what a great recut this film was. However, as many others have mentioned, I miss Alfred sub-plot and for one I may the only one to say that I missed the bickering between Batman and Robin. I understand your notions behind your editing them out, but I still miss them and feel, if edited correctly, could serve the film a great deal.
If you do a version 2.0, which I hope you do, please consider including the Alfred sub-plot into the film, but ending not with Alfred miraculously surviving. My gripe was that the film built to him dying and he didn't. Can you make it seem as if he dies in the end, and somehow incorporate a funeral-like scene, if you could make that digitally of via other software stuff.
Also, I think the bickering must be re-instated, although in a much less gratuitous fashion. For instance, it's be nice to show Robin actually crushed with Ivy, but not Batman, and then their argument would be overall over Batman's ability to trust others (I think its in tune with the character, as Batman doesn't easily trust someone) and their argument would be finished when Bruce asks Dick to trust him before going away with the Robin signal.
I got to say, I loved your idea of Bruce and Alfred baiting Barbra. And I liked how you reconstructed the scene. You should had a "Welcome!" by Clooney's Bruce before showing him in costume. Maybe search for a "welcome" thats sounds like Clooney to insert there, to show how he expected her. Also, maybe show her suit up, and while she's suiting up, show Batman suit up (footage from the early beggining of the film, minus the butt and cod-piece shots), as well to show that they both prepare to go to Robin and help him? I think that would enhance your point, and it would remind of FOREVER's Batman suiting up the Sonar suit, and BR with Batman suiting up before going to rescue the Ice Princess.
What is your opinion? Do you like/hate my suggestions? Please tell me because I liked you recut, actually..
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And also, how did you put it on DVD? Once I finish my re-edit (which could take a lot of time), I would like to put on a dvd and view it on my tv.
I would really, really appreciate any information you may give. Thank you in advance.
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Sorry I've taken so long to write, but I really enjoyed the edit. I get the felling that you don't like Clooney much. I agree, when you shut him up he makes a good Batman. I think Robin should have been allowed to say "Cowabunga" though. That's a good side-kick thing to woohoo about. I like the darker, (parden me) colder Freeze. One liners are not his style. Overall. I thought it was majorly cool, as did a co-worker of mine, who fancies himself a bit of a movie buff/critic.
Now, as I was watching De-Assifed , I had a major brainstorm. But I can't reveal it just yet. Give me a couple of weeks and all will be known (with all due credit of course). I hate to be so mysterious, but well, "I'm getting the band back together". "We're on a mission from God"
Til then...
'Free your mind, and your ass will follow'
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Anyway, just finished watching, very impressive. It really made the movie watchable again. Is there DVD Label for it anywhere?
Thanks for the wonderful re-edit!
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www.billybobthecactusblob.com
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Our proposed titles were:
"Batman Whatever"
"The Homo-erotic Adventures of Batman & Robin" or
"Batman & Robin: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
You guys can probably suspect the type of changes that we were making to it.
It wasn't necessarily any shorter, or any better, just more entertaining.
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The reason why isn't that I've been deeply involved in some special new edit- no, indeed the reason has been that Mrs. Greencapt is nearing the fourth month of pregnancy with our first child! And I thought EDITING could be a chore!!! Sheesh!
Thank you again everyone who has posted reviews. As of this writing there have been over 700 downloads from MySpleen thanks to Rik- I'm happy that so many people could get a chance to see it!
Now for some general answers to questions that people have asked me and my lack of being online has caused me to neglect:
Binky13: From the DVD VIDEO_TS folder I use VOBEdit to zip them all together into one big mpg file and then use TMPEnc to convert to avi for editing. As no software I can find ever gets me all the results I want I tend to use little snippets here and there. Yes, this hogs computer space but hey- I'm a hog!
MagnoliaFan: LOL- I plan on doing at least a 'gag reel' along those lines. Wait a sec- 'gag' reel?!?!? Ewww.... Kidding aside, have you had a chance to check out the edit yet?
coconuts86: Thanks for the great comments! Whenever Ver. 2.0 comes out I will be torn about the Alfred stuff. I could never use it all, but I will sit back, rewatch the original and try to view it in a different light. I guess that kind of goes for everything you mentioned really, but then again I usually end up going over things until my head explodes. And where would *that* get me?
Also, about which software it depends on how elaborate of a DVD you want. There's lots of options. The software I used for this edit was:
-DVD Decryptor
-VOBEdit
-TMGEnc
-Sony Screenblast Movie Studio
-CoolEdit 2000 (audio)
-DVD Lab Pro
-Photoshop
Phlibbit: I do all my DVD cover creation and printing in good ole Photoshop, but I'm sure there's other alternatives out there.
And where would *that* get me?Also, about which software it depends on how elaborate of a DVD you want. There's lots of options. The software I used for this edit was:
-DVD Decryptor
-VOBEdit
-TMGEnc
-Sony Screenblast Movie Studio
-CoolEdit 2000 (audio)
-DVD Lab Pro
-Photoshop
darksir: I didn't make a label myself, but I too am curious and would like to see if anyone else has!
Phlibbit: I do all my DVD cover creation and printing in good ole Photoshop, but I'm sure there's other alternatives out there.
MagnoliaFan: LOL- I plan on doing at least a 'gag reel' along those lines. Wait a sec- 'gag' reel?!?!? Ewww.... Kidding aside, have you had a chance to check out the edit yet?
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