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I will have a dual layer version I suppose. For once it seems like a good thing to have.


The lightsabers were not re-rotoscoped for the Special Edition. I know you're probably just talking about the contrast/color problems, but there's no need to use GOUT footage to fix that.

Just a little pet peeve of mine ...

A lot of people think there are changes made to the films that don't exist. Lucas changed relatively little in the films. THere's a lot of stupidity and superstition regarding the SEs. Someone watched my original Classic Edition, where clearly all the Special Edition stuff had been removed, and commented saying there was WAY too much Special Edition stuff still in there.

Some people think the holograms were changed for the SEs, or the sabers, or the ships, or the effects or EVERYTHING.

In short, some people are mentally retarded.
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Hmm.

I was still having trouble with the first 11 minutes of the movie ... or minutes 2-11 rather.

Final Cut Pro was refusing to render the PhotoJPEG material .... just constantly stopping rendering. I wound up stopping and starting rendering constantly by hand, so that it would render a little bit at a time.

Eventually it finished, and I tracked down one problem - a bad frame that it simply refused to render. I deleted that frame.

Taking a closer look at the video for this part of the movie though, I realize that it wasn't a good idea to convert it to PhotoJPEG in Quicktime the way I did. The picture is full of scaling artifacts, and doesn't look nearly as clear as the rest of the film.

Since it is running at the correct 24 frames per second, and because it's only 9 minutes of the movie, and because it was so difficult to render, I've decided ... for the time being or just in general .... to leave it the way it is. The opening scenes won't be quite as good quality for those really viewing them carefully. Maybe it's not noticeable, but I notice it.


Hm.


I should have just done the first 11 minutes directly from the M2Vs. Maybe I should have done the whole movie that way. Maybe.
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Since the alternate angles thing is giving you difficulty there, maybe I can try to offer help again. In the same re-authoring tool in DVD Shrink, you can select which angle to use, so I could simply rip just the English crawl and first 11 minutes and upload that somewhere. Or are you good with what you have?

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I had a look at my part 1 .... and it just doesn't look good. I can't let this stand. I'll redo it. I'll just use the M2V, that'll work.

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Using the M2V also introduced scaling errors (as were present in the first Classic Edition), as it was impossible to resize it effectively. I re-ripped the video in Quicktime, but this time round I resized the video to its true size of 740 x 480 before exporting it to PhotoJPEG.


I'm really glad I redid it. It looks great, sharp and clear the way it should be.


To get some additional quality (and thus "wow" factor) in the first moments of the film I'm actually considering using the video straight from the M2V the way I did in Empire and Jedi, but that would remove the color correction I've done so maybe not.


I was also able to redo the first shot of the film, the star destroyer chasing the blockade runner. I'd actually fucked this shot up bigtime without realizing it. Letting it run fast at 30 frames per second (dropping frames all over the place) ... etc.

The version of the opening shot I'm using is something that Shadowman created for me for Deleted Magic, a long while back. It was also used in the first Classic Edition. As you may know, the version of the opening shot on the 2004 DVD is really screwed up - whatever crazy filters they're using have removed the laser blasts from the shot, so you don't really see the ships firing at each other - it completely ruins the impact of the shot.

Shadowman went through and restored the blasts to the shot.

However, his version of the shot is slightly smaller and slightly lower quality than the actual 2004 DVD is.


To optimize the quality of this first shot, I've actually combined it with the 2004 version of the shot. At the beginning, you see Shadowman's version of the shot, but as the laser blasts get less and less you just see part of Shadowman's shot pasted over the clearer 2004 version - until by the end you're just watching the 2004 version.


So.




I'll let this thing render. There's nothing more to do now, apart from making the DVD work and checking for errors.
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OCP-

Thank you so much for all your hard work. I enjoyed the classic edition 1.0. I especially dug the commentary you created and the X-Wing THX demo at the start. I did have problems with the blockiness, especially around the color red, that you've previously mentioned and one menu screen in the chapter selections didn't highlight what you were selecting.

This new version, however, looks absolutely stunning, especially that mixed shot of the Falcon.

I have a few questions though.

Will you still be using the menus from the original 2004 release or the GOUT release? Even though the GOUT menus are simple, I prefer them for their subtle charm.

Will you be doing a 2.0 version of Empire and Jedi using the GOUT? I'd assume, possibly incorrectly, they'd be much easier to pull off since there were less changes made to those two films.

How will this be released?
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I am very happy with my previous versions of Empire and Jedi. There is no need to redo them, especially since the Moth3r PAL transfer was used as the basis, a very clear transfer.



I redid Star Wars because I knew I could do it much better.


The menus will be the same original menus from the first Classic Edition, which I'm fond of. Due to compression they look rather blocky in this new version, but oh well.

All special features and menu navigation is/are identical to the original release - only the film transfer itself has been improved.

The GOUT menus make me vomit a little in my mouth.



This will be released via snail mail, as with all my releases. Email *****.




Star Wars Classic 2.0 is NOW COMPLETE.


It is NOW COMPLETE AND READY FOR YOU TO GET A COPY OF.



*****.


I've had a look at it, and it meets my standards, which I think are pretty damn high.

When I made the first Classic Edition, my goal was to create a better version of the original cut of Star Wars than had previously existed on DVD.

That was my goal this time too, and I feel I achieved it. It looks, sounds and feels like the original Star Wars, and all the edits done to remove Special Edition elements are seamless, often completely invisible.


I actually still managed to learn a lot from editing this thing -- I seem to learn a lot every time I do one of these edits, and my reaction after I finish any edit is always "Oh - I've figured it out now! I could do this edit so much better now - I wish I'd known this when I started. But oh well. I'll use the knowledge next time."

In this case, my real problem was frame rates. MPEG Streamclip wasn't recognizing the video as 24 frames per second video, and the eventual result was that throughout the edit, if you're watching VERY carefully, you'll see little dropped or repeated frames.

By the end, I'd figured out how to avoid this problem in the future. It's present in this edit, but it's a minor problem.

I really should stop admitting all my little mistakes. Most people won't notice any mistakes unless they've heard me point them out!


It really is a wonderful version of the original Star Wars, I think the best in existence.


I DO recommend getting the Dual Layer version, and I've never said that before in my life. (My previous edits have shrunk down to a single layer without any trouble.) The single layer version is nice, but I can see the compression that was done to get it down to 1 layer.

I've used the old original menus from the first Classic Edition, and they look particularly compressed in the single layer.

Since I'm using the same menu system from the original Classic Edition, I've inherited the same little problems present in the menus there. I will report that the second chapters menu and the last chapters menu are the ones which don't work right .... If you're using a computer they work fine, but on a DVD player you won't be able to see what you're doing.

As before, I'm not too concerned because they're just chapter menus.



The special features are identical to the original release also.




-- Play with Isolated Score by John Williams
-- Fanmade "THX" Intro (Death Star Trench Run)
-- A really wonderful commentary track created for the Classic Edition, featuring dozens of members of the cast and crew.
-- Animated menus taken from the 2004 release by Van Ling.
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From the editor that brought you Star Wars Deleted Magic and The Thief and the Cobbler Recobbled Cut ...

Star Wars: Classic Edition 2.0.

The brand new revised edition, for 2006.

It's the original version of Star Wars, not the way it was, but the way you remember it.

And now, better than ever.

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If you saw my original Star Wars Classic Edition last year (June 2005 to be exact - it's now November 2006), you saw a lovingly-restored, DVD quality version of the original Star Wars. I wanted to create the best version of the original 1977 Star Wars that I could.

Now, I've redone my edit to have much, MUCH improved picture quality. It's like night and day .... people loved the original Classic Edition, but you can throw it out. As I used to say, "throw out your other Star Wars DVDs ... this is the only version of Star Wars you need."

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My sources were both from Lucasfilm -- the 2004 Special Edition DVD with all its crisp DVD clarity, and the 2006 "original trilogy" non-anamorphic DVD.

I wanted to create an Original Trilogy Star Wars disc that would look as good as the 2004 DVD, but be the original version of Star Wars that you remember .... with a new 1977-style sound mix taken from the 93 laserdisc mix, with elements of the mono mix mixed in.

In short, my own ideal version of the original Star Wars - the only version I need. I think some of you might agree with that.

The disc is presented in 16:9 anamorphic widescreen, with Dolby Digital sound.

The 2004 DVD image has been slightly color corrected to be brighter overall.

All Special Edition elements have been removed, even Biggs. If you want to see Biggs or Jabba, you'd best pop in our supplemental disc - I think it's called Deleted Magic.

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The opening shot has been restored to its former pre-2004 glory by Shadowman.

Original Trilogy shots have been edited in from the 2006 Lucasfilm disc, which is itself from the 1993 Definitive Collection laserdisc.

In many cases, the shot has simply been dropped in in the appropriate place, and is not jarring.

In other cases, Special Edition material has been literally painted out of the frame, combining the laserdisc image and the 2004 DVD image in the same frame. This results in a sharper image overall. Rontos and CGI Dewbacks were removed in Mos Eisley, Luke's Binary Sunset was restored to its original shape, and wipes/dissolves were carefully created so that 1977 elements could wipe to 2004 ones. Using a tiny dissolve to add some extra footage of Han talking, the Greedo scene was restored to its original timing.

The 1993 laserdisc mix is the source of the soundtrack, apart from several lines of dialogue which have been taken instead from the 1977 mono mix ... a 1985 (?) PAL TV airing of the film in the UK was used for these.

From mono mix:
+ All Beru lines
+ Stormtrooper: "It's secure, move on to the next one."
+ C3PO: "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations ..."
+ Stormtrooper: "Close the blast doors!"
+ Luke: "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?"

The mono mix was considered definitive at the time, so I thought it was appropriate to include the most notable changes from it, the final mix ever done back in 1977.

Menus and opening animations were created originally for the first Star Wars Classic Edition release - they lead into slightly altered versions of some of the the menus from the official DVDs, which I thought was appropriate for this disc considering.

The edit is now done.

Enjoy, folks.

My email remains: *****.


Menus from the original version, reused here ....

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I say it's "not as it was, but as you remember it" because this version is not based on any one version of the film that has ever existed before. I find that a lot of people remember the movie as being in stereo, with the original crawl and with the lines from the mono mix, etc ... so I've blended a few versions together to make the perfect version of Star Wars.

I DO recommend getting the Dual Layer version, and I've never said that before in my life. (My previous edits have shrunk down to a single layer without any trouble.) The single layer version is nice, but I can see the compression that was done to get it down to 1 layer.

I've used the old original menus from the first Classic Edition, and they look particularly compressed in the single layer.

Since I'm using the same menu system from the original Classic Edition, I've inherited the same little problems present in the menus there. I will report that the second chapters menu and the last chapters menu are the ones which don't work right .... If you're using a computer they work fine, but on a DVD player you won't be able to see what you're doing.

As before, I'm not too concerned because they're just chapter menus.


The special features are identical to the original release also.


-- Play with Isolated Score by John Williams
-- Fanmade "THX" Intro (Death Star Trench Run)
-- A really wonderful commentary track created for the Classic Edition, featuring dozens of members of the cast and crew.
-- Animated menus taken from the 2004 release by Van Ling.

The Classic Edition commentary, if you didn't hear it on my original Classic Edition release, is a wonderful thing .... edited together from interviews, and is definitely the best ANH commentary yet assembled.

Here is the list of participants:

George Lucas
Anthony Daniels - C3PO
David Prowse - Darth Vader
Peter Mayhew - Chewbacca
Kenny Baker - R2D2
Mark Hamill - Luke Skywalker
Carrie Fisher - Princess Leia
Harrison Ford - Han Solo
Garrick Hagon - Biggs Darklighter
Ken Ralston - ILM
Dennis Muren - ILM
Ralph McQuarrie - Production Paintings
Charles Lippincott - Former VP, Lucasfilm
James Earl Jones - Voice of Darth Vader
John Williams - Composer
Irvin Kerschner - Director, The Empire Strikes Back
Frank Oz - Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back
Jeremy Bulloch - Boba Fett, The Empire Strikes Back
Matthew Carter - Bib Fortuna, Return of the Jedi

Subtitles pop up to identify the speaker.


A comparison between my 2005 edit, and this edit:
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A comparison between my edit and the official Lucasfilm dvds:

Lucasfilm 2004 DVD
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Lucasfilm 2006 DVD
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Star Wars Classic Edition 2.0
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Can you post a clip of one of your heavy edited scenes? Stills don't really convey what it'll look like (though they are nice).

Dr. M

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>>Can you post a clip of one of your heavy edited scenes? Stills don't really convey what it'll look like (though they are nice).

You've seen the first version, you can probably use your imagination.

>> And a question: when you used Laserdisc footage this time did you do anything to fix the film-bobbing that is present in that transfer versus the DVD?
In Classic Edition v1 when you merged DVD and Laserdisc footage in the same frame, I found it distracting because DVDs are still, but you get movement in the Laser material.

There is definitely bob and weave on the GOUT dvd. No way to fix that, but I did some smarter editing throughout to make it less evident when merging sources.
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Nice emails today. Also heard from Moriarty at Ain't It Cool News, who was very nice and plugged the Thief and the Cobbler Recobbled big-time on that big-time site.

I would like to thank you for the Classic versions of the
original trilogy. They are the versions that I pull out when I want to
watch Star Wars, and more importantly for me, the ones I pull out to
show my three children. I want them to grow up in a world where Han
shoots first and fake-looking cgi does not make up for poor dialogue
and storytelling.
Carl Olds
Instructor, University College

A much belated THANK YOU for the DVD you gave me of
Bonzo Dog Band rarities after Neil Innes' show at McCabe's back in
late May. It is truly a dream come true for me! Sheer heaven it was
to go through that and see clips I had in much inferior condition,
clips I had head about but never seen, and some things I didn't even know
existed! I am so sorry I didn't thank you profusely as soon as I
watched the DVD.

Tomm Carroll
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Bye.


Wait, where are you going?

EDIT: Ah, right. Moving.
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The Star Wars Classic 2.0 thread has been locked. Knowing what I know about what goes on at this site, and what the moderators pretend doesn't go on at this site, it's an act of hypocrisy which makes me roll my eyes. I'd complain, but what's the point?

I've always provided my fan edits via torrent for free, and being accused of greed in two different locked threads is annoying. I was waiting to do so with SW2 because I was moving and in a bad spot. Certainly it would have been torrented, and I in fact had already provided a dual layer copy to Movealong for newsgroup posting (with a delay). How do you think I got into collecting fan edits and Star Wars discs in the first place? It wasn't through torrents. I still get most of my discs through mail trade.

The ridiculous amount of work and research I did on the Thief and the Cobbler project over many many months, the literally thousands of free discs I sent out, I didn't do that out of greed. I try to maintain a high standard and do good discs. I feel no need whatsoever to defend any of my actions.


Anyway.


Arrived in Connecticut. Very little money, no apartment, no place to stay. So no, I'm not sending out most discs right now and won't be able to until December probably. All my stuff is in storage.


I wanted to visit family, stay with family, for a little while, this being the holidays, but most of my family members couldn't/didn't let me stay, and a family member I was counting on especially didn't want me. So ah.


I'm now staying with a very nice Aunt and Uncle way away in Madison CT ...



Murphy's Law being Murphy's Law, the second you leave a place you finally get the opportunities you were waiting for, now that you can't take advantage of them.

I'm an actor (though at least one reviewer said I should stick to directing), and I had an agent for acting in L.A. This agent never got me any work, in the year I've been with him. I assumed he never would. I never heard from him and often forgot I had an agent at all.


Two days after arriving in Connecticut, breaking all ties with L.A. ...


I get the call every actor dreams of.

I had an audition for one of the top comedies on TV .... "My Name is Earl."



A good little part as a computer geek, something that everyone on these boards can testify I'd be perfect for.





But here I am in Connecticut, not in L.A.



Banging my head on the desk in frustration.



I got a lot of job offers the minute I left L.A. All for jobs in L.A. that would have saved my bacon if they'd come in the past year when absolutely nothing was happening for me.


I left L.A. because nothing was happening.


If I'd gotten an audition for My Name is Earl then, I would never have left ....


Two days later ....





Murphy's Law.



My aunt and uncle have offered me a plane ticket back, but what's the point? That's maybe $300 roundtrip, for what? An audition for a small role. And if I don't get it?



I told them no, while banging my head on the desk.



=(



I'm catching up on your emails. Best wishes. I'm still away and won't be around much.
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My uncle Bruce felt I would never forgive myself if I didn't give this opportunity a shot.

He thought I had to do it, no question.




Why am I doing this? It's one line. An audition to have one line.

I'm getting on a plane.



I'm getting on a plane back to L.A.




He wouldn't let me not do it. I really tried not to do it.



I'm going on a plane back to L.A. tomorrow.



I tried to move to CT and I failed.



I failed quickly.



Am I an idiot?



Does it even matter that I am?
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Dude, no, not an idiot. This is good.

Good luck, sir!

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I don't post in your threads much Garett. However, I read them all the time and I must say it seems like you need to catch a break. Hopefully this audition goes well for you. Good luck!

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Do you think this callback has anything to do with your appearence on that MTV show?
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Thanks guys. I do need a break, hopefully I'll have some luck .... I feel very confused right now, ping ponging between worlds, and although I'm disappointed in myself for leaving CT so quickly I am definitely going to try harder to make it in LA ..... we'll see how it goes.

Nothing to do with the MTV thing. Apparently I was submitted back in July and it only happened now ....
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Well, OCP, I certainly hope you get that break. I received SW CE v2 in the mail and will definitley post it to usenet after your requested delay. Nice work on it, BTW...

Break a leg...

You can go about your business. Move along, move along.

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The Story of Star Wars
The Adventures Of Luke Skywalker

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Someone watched my original Classic Edition, where clearly all the Special Edition stuff had been removed, and commented saying there was WAY too much Special Edition stuff still in there.


That's not in reference to my posts in the original thread, right? ^_^;; Good to know I'll be able to replace that disc with a better one eventually.


Strange how things work out. Good luck on the audition man. Hopefully, things will be worth it.


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The Star Wars Classic 2.0 thread has been locked. Knowing what I know about what goes on at this site, and what the moderators pretend doesn't go on at this site, it's an act of hypocrisy which makes me roll my eyes. I'd complain, but what's the point?

....

I feel no need whatsoever to defend any of my actions.
Well the last person found to be selling DVDs was banned without warning, so I guess this would be considered hypocrisy since you're still here. If anyone feels this should have been handled differently, or knows of anyone else selling DVDs, I'd love to hear about it.

Anyway.

Good luck in LA.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Although I do rarely post an opinion here, this time I will:
fanedit sellers are to be banned. They are what destroys the fanedit reputation and might cause legal problems to every other faneditor and to the website hosting them. Fanedit sellers are bootleggers.
You have a rule for that.
What good is a rule if it isn't followed?

Then of course OCP is a well respected member here, so maybe rules don't apply for him in a way they do for others.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.